Steam vs Console?

[Sky]

Steam > Console for days. Does anyone think next gen consoles will effect PC gaming hugely? Thoughts.

[crunchyfrog]

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Console's have only one problem, but that one problem still does not make them worse than pc's. The one problem in question is no nude mod's or any modding. Otherwise consoles are better, they are accesible on any budget aiming is more precise on a controller than a mouse. I mean seriously would you rather aim fine, or aim then have to pick up your mouse move it down then start aiming again? Should be an obvious question but for whatever reason people like readjusting their mouse constantly whereas a controller recenters. I mean even an unborn child should be smart enough to figure that out.

Much as I'm unbiased as I've already said I play a whole load of platforms, your point about mice being less precise is wrong, I'm afraid.

Mice ARE more precise than controllers, simply because of the basic physics - you can physically move to PRECISELY where you want the cursor to go at any speed your hand is capable of doing. I think you are confused somehow about recentering reticules - there are VERY, VERY few games where the targeting reticule recenters. FPSes commonly don't do it, so I don't know where you've got that idea from.

A controller only has analogue stick of digital buttons, which move the cursor/reticule at a pre-determined speed ONLY.

Your claim that one would be "readjusting" the mouse constantly is flawed - that would only be relevant if you weren't completely au fait with your mouse. You could equally say the same condition for controller - you coould be readjusting the reticule if you're not used to it.

I appreciate YOU may prefer controller (I do too as I've already said), but stating it as a fact is quite wrong.

[Detective Keaton]

Neither, Steam OS

[Holden Gold]

PC will always be better, and your always be able to do more with PC games... PC is way more fun and always will be, no matter

[JDJay]

I like how I can upgrade my PC to current games. I don't have to wait for next-gen consoles to get new games.

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

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Eh, price of a ps4/xbox one.. $500 + accessories + 50-100+ games at $50 a pop, the difference isn't really there once you factor in the cost of ownership. Sure after year 8 of not upgrading I guess the console starts to get ahead of the pc in costs, but are you really not going to buy another pc for 8~ years?

Small point, but your figures are a little off.

For a start, a PS4 is not that price.

However, more to the point, you're equating the alternatives in the console market as the forthcoming consoles, ignoring the currently available options. So, you can easily get a 360 or PS3 (or both) for under £200 each. There is also no reason to buy games at premium price either, any more than you should on PC.

This is one of the reasons I'm able to own so many thousands of games - I never buy anywhere near release, so I get games when they reach a price threshold I deem worthy of that particular game. As you are able to buy more games for your money, you have more to play and therefore a backlog, and you REALLY don't need to buy new - and so the cycle repeats.

As a nice little guideline, I've only bought just over 300 games on the PS3 thus far (it was slow getting going), and the average price I've paid rounds out nicely at a couple of pence over £10.

Admittedly, Steam games average a darned sight cheaper, but then I predominantly DON'T buy AAA titles on PC, and indie bundles do bring the price down as well.

Personally, I find platform monogamy mystifyingly daft. No offence intended.

Actually the ps4 IS that price, people always screw up the ps4 price by not considering the total cost of ownership, paying for online is necessary with playstation...50 bucks a year tacked on that price right away. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/07/03/sony-playstation-4s-true-cost-of-ownership-may-surprise-buyers/

Sure you can bargain hunt for games, but well, forced to use pawn shops to get games at reasonable prices, not my idea of a good time.

[PIT BULL.]

PC

[Dinerenblanc]

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İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

Small point, but your figures are a little off.

For a start, a PS4 is not that price.

However, more to the point, you're equating the alternatives in the console market as the forthcoming consoles, ignoring the currently available options. So, you can easily get a 360 or PS3 (or both) for under £200 each. There is also no reason to buy games at premium price either, any more than you should on PC.

This is one of the reasons I'm able to own so many thousands of games - I never buy anywhere near release, so I get games when they reach a price threshold I deem worthy of that particular game. As you are able to buy more games for your money, you have more to play and therefore a backlog, and you REALLY don't need to buy new - and so the cycle repeats.

As a nice little guideline, I've only bought just over 300 games on the PS3 thus far (it was slow getting going), and the average price I've paid rounds out nicely at a couple of pence over £10.

Admittedly, Steam games average a darned sight cheaper, but then I predominantly DON'T buy AAA titles on PC, and indie bundles do bring the price down as well.

Personally, I find platform monogamy mystifyingly daft. No offence intended.

Actually the ps4 IS that price, people always screw up the ps4 price by not considering the total cost of ownership, paying for online is necessary with playstation...50 bucks a year tacked on that price right away. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/07/03/sony-playstation-4s-true-cost-of-ownership-may-surprise-buyers/

Sure you can bargain hunt for games, but well, forced to use pawn shops to get games at reasonable prices, not my idea of a good time.

Some people also won't consider playing in front of a desk as good time either.

[mp.83_Achievement Hunter]

steam os and steam hardware its a takeover !!

[Minmataro]

We might be heading into a new generation of gaming for Consoles but the reality of it all, is that PC has been using that type of graphical fidelity since 2010 and that type of online connectivity since the mid 2000s. Consoles are basically playing catch up.

As for consoles having an affect on pc, it will mean better looking and running ports for PC but other than that, nothing will change.

[crunchyfrog]

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İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

Small point, but your figures are a little off.

For a start, a PS4 is not that price.

However, more to the point, you're equating the alternatives in the console market as the forthcoming consoles, ignoring the currently available options. So, you can easily get a 360 or PS3 (or both) for under £200 each. There is also no reason to buy games at premium price either, any more than you should on PC.

This is one of the reasons I'm able to own so many thousands of games - I never buy anywhere near release, so I get games when they reach a price threshold I deem worthy of that particular game. As you are able to buy more games for your money, you have more to play and therefore a backlog, and you REALLY don't need to buy new - and so the cycle repeats.

As a nice little guideline, I've only bought just over 300 games on the PS3 thus far (it was slow getting going), and the average price I've paid rounds out nicely at a couple of pence over £10.

Admittedly, Steam games average a darned sight cheaper, but then I predominantly DON'T buy AAA titles on PC, and indie bundles do bring the price down as well.

Personally, I find platform monogamy mystifyingly daft. No offence intended.

Actually the ps4 IS that price, people always screw up the ps4 price by not considering the total cost of ownership, paying for online is necessary with playstation...50 bucks a year tacked on that price right away. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/07/03/sony-playstation-4s-true-cost-of-ownership-may-surprise-buyers/

Sure you can bargain hunt for games, but well, forced to use pawn shops to get games at reasonable prices, not my idea of a good time.

No, you're assuming people HAVE to pay for online, which they do not.

Also, for the ownership of PS+, you get over £800 of games per year (or at least that's what I've experienced). That can alter things drastically.

You have a strange understanding of how to get games cheap. I don't touch pawn shops - I only generally use stores such as shopto.net sendit.com and similar. I still buy new, but I get them dirt cheap. It involves NOT AN IOTA of extra work than you would expend for looking for an up-to-the-minute game.

Sounds like you're not too aware of the reality of the situation here, no offence intended.

Some people also won't consider playing in front of a desk as good time either.

I'm certainly in this boat. I can't sit at a desk for any length of time (disability issues). Although when I use my main desktop, I find big picture mode pretty good as I have it connected to the main TV.

Other times, I just use a laptop.

Point is, you don't have to go near a desk to game on a PC.

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

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İlk olarak MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ #idle tarafından gönderildi:

Actually the ps4 IS that price, people always screw up the ps4 price by not considering the total cost of ownership, paying for online is necessary with playstation...50 bucks a year tacked on that price right away. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/07/03/sony-playstation-4s-true-cost-of-ownership-may-surprise-buyers/

Sure you can bargain hunt for games, but well, forced to use pawn shops to get games at reasonable prices, not my idea of a good time.

No, you're assuming people HAVE to pay for online, which they do not.

Also, for the ownership of PS+, you get over £800 of games per year (or at least that's what I've experienced). That can alter things drastically.

You have a strange understanding of how to get games cheap. I don't touch pawn shops - I only generally use stores such as shopto.net sendit.com and similar. I still buy new, but I get them dirt cheap. It involves NOT AN IOTA of extra work than you would expend for looking for an up-to-the-minute game.

Sounds like you're not too aware of the reality of the situation here, no offence intended.

Some people also won't consider playing in front of a desk as good time either.

I'm certainly in this boat. I can't sit at a desk for any length of time (disability issues). Although when I use my main desktop, I find big picture mode pretty good as I have it connected to the main TV.

Other times, I just use a laptop.

Point is, you don't have to go near a desk to game on a PC.

According to the site its pretty much a necessity since the major games require ps+.

Bundling is not a bargain. If I want games I'll buy them, its not likely the bundled stuff is what I would have bought for my self in the first place. Its like a car dealer selling you a special undercoating or wahtever, even if they claim its 25% off, its not something you would have bought in the first place. So yea, save 800 dollars by paying them money? No...i'm not that kind of chump:P

[crunchyfrog]

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İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

No, you're assuming people HAVE to pay for online, which they do not.

Also, for the ownership of PS+, you get over £800 of games per year (or at least that's what I've experienced). That can alter things drastically.

You have a strange understanding of how to get games cheap. I don't touch pawn shops - I only generally use stores such as shopto.net sendit.com and similar. I still buy new, but I get them dirt cheap. It involves NOT AN IOTA of extra work than you would expend for looking for an up-to-the-minute game.

Sounds like you're not too aware of the reality of the situation here, no offence intended.




I'm certainly in this boat. I can't sit at a desk for any length of time (disability issues). Although when I use my main desktop, I find big picture mode pretty good as I have it connected to the main TV.

Other times, I just use a laptop.

Point is, you don't have to go near a desk to game on a PC.

According to the site its pretty much a necessity since the major games require ps+.

Bundling is not a bargain. If I want games I'll buy them, its not likely the bundled stuff is what I would have bought for my self in the first place. Its like a car dealer selling you a special undercoating or wahtever, even if they claim its 25% off, its not something you would have bought in the first place. So yea, save 800 dollars by paying them money? No...i'm not that kind of chump:P

I think you've missed the point - I can't speak with any certainity about the PS4 simply because a lot remains to be seen, but I would be incredibly surprised if you HAD to have online. My point still stands that PS+ is a wonderful thing, and you're not seeing the point there at all.

Last year I got £800 of games I WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BOUGHT. Yet, such an endeavour has cost just over £3 a month, which is trivial. I would happily pay that amount just for cloud saves and online capability, but you cannot overlook the games, which makes the system seem ludicrous. There is no way you can denegrate it.

Let me illustrate this further. These are the very games I received last year:
Back to the Future - Episode 1: It's about time
Back to the Future - Episode 2: Get Tannen
Back to the Future - Episode 3: Citizen Brown
Back to the Future - Episode 4: Double Visions
Back to the Future - Episode 5: Outatime
Voodoo Dice
Rally Cross (PS1 Classics)
Stick Man Rescue (Minis)
Trailblazer (Minis)
Arc the Lad [US version] (PS1 Classics)
Streets of Rage II
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Final Fantasy V (PS1 Classics)
Farm Frenzy (Minis)
Hungry Giraffe (Minis)
The Simpsons Arcade Game
Far Cry 2
Resident Evil 2 [US version] (PS1 Classics)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis [US version] (PS1 Classics)
The Impossible Game (Minis)
Farm Frenzy 2 (Minis)
Jet Rider (PS1 Classics)
Sly Raccoon
Trine 2
Need For Speed: Shift 2 Unleashed
Shank 2
Floating God saves the Pilgrims (Minis)
Golf Mania (Minis)
Silent Hill (PS1 Classics)
Hamster Ball
Wakeboarding HD
Smash Cars
Sky Fighter
Mushroom Wars
Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom
Max Payne (PS2 Classics)
L.A. Gridlock (Minis)
Awesomenauts
Ricochet HD
Velocity (Minis)
Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
Chime Super Deluxe
Darksiders
Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD
Outland
Renegade Ops
LittleBigPlanet 2
Motorstorm Apocalypse
Infamous 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Saint's Row 2
Saint's Row 2: Unkut pack
Lara Croft & The Guardian of Light
Dead Space 2
Rock of Ages
Just Cause 2
Borderlands
Retro/Grade
Red Dead Redemption
Machinarium
Scott Pilgrim vs The World: The Game
Double Dragon Neon
Starhawk [single-player Campaign]
Starhawk: Map of Despair [Co-op pack] + Grizzly Rig
Starhawk - various skins [x18]
Hell Yeah! Wrath of the Dead Rabbit
Bulletstorm
Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition
Cubixx HD
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
Crysis 2
Batman: Arkham City
Limbo
Vanquish
Big Sky Infinity

So, roughly £800 if you paid full price for these elsewhere. Actual cost? £40. If you can't see the obvious value there, then I'm at a loss. That is the cost of ONE GAME, and you're getting all those.

Your point about bundling doesn't make a lot of sense frankly, as that seems to address stuff you wouldn't want.

[Memes]

PCs are interesting really, you can have one for gaming or for office, or if you want you can even make mods or earn your way to become a programer, PC gaming is very nice, you can do so much more with them, like mod or share screenshots, level up, have trades, add free bonus content at the workshop, and much much more. So no, counting there are awesome sales going on all the time.

[Finity0]

+ lots of bugs to fix for PC driver

[Detective Keaton]

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İlk olarak MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ #idle tarafından gönderildi:

According to the site its pretty much a necessity since the major games require ps+.

Bundling is not a bargain. If I want games I'll buy them, its not likely the bundled stuff is what I would have bought for my self in the first place. Its like a car dealer selling you a special undercoating or wahtever, even if they claim its 25% off, its not something you would have bought in the first place. So yea, save 800 dollars by paying them money? No...i'm not that kind of chump:P

I think you've missed the point - I can't speak with any certainity about the PS4 simply because a lot remains to be seen, but I would be incredibly surprised if you HAD to have online. My point still stands that PS+ is a wonderful thing, and you're not seeing the point there at all.

Last year I got £800 of games I WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BOUGHT. Yet, such an endeavour has cost just over £3 a month, which is trivial. I would happily pay that amount just for cloud saves and online capability, but you cannot overlook the games, which makes the system seem ludicrous. There is no way you can denegrate it.

Let me illustrate this further. These are the very games I received last year:
Back to the Future - Episode 1: It's about time
Back to the Future - Episode 2: Get Tannen
Back to the Future - Episode 3: Citizen Brown
Back to the Future - Episode 4: Double Visions
Back to the Future - Episode 5: Outatime
Voodoo Dice
Rally Cross (PS1 Classics)
Stick Man Rescue (Minis)
Trailblazer (Minis)
Arc the Lad [US version] (PS1 Classics)
Streets of Rage II
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Final Fantasy V (PS1 Classics)
Farm Frenzy (Minis)
Hungry Giraffe (Minis)
The Simpsons Arcade Game
Far Cry 2
Resident Evil 2 [US version] (PS1 Classics)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis [US version] (PS1 Classics)
The Impossible Game (Minis)
Farm Frenzy 2 (Minis)
Jet Rider (PS1 Classics)
Sly Raccoon
Trine 2
Need For Speed: Shift 2 Unleashed
Shank 2
Floating God saves the Pilgrims (Minis)
Golf Mania (Minis)
Silent Hill (PS1 Classics)
Hamster Ball
Wakeboarding HD
Smash Cars
Sky Fighter
Mushroom Wars
Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom
Max Payne (PS2 Classics)
L.A. Gridlock (Minis)
Awesomenauts
Ricochet HD
Velocity (Minis)
Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
Chime Super Deluxe
Darksiders
Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD
Outland
Renegade Ops
LittleBigPlanet 2
Motorstorm Apocalypse
Infamous 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Saint's Row 2
Saint's Row 2: Unkut pack
Lara Croft & The Guardian of Light
Dead Space 2
Rock of Ages
Just Cause 2
Borderlands
Retro/Grade
Red Dead Redemption
Machinarium
Scott Pilgrim vs The World: The Game
Double Dragon Neon
Starhawk [single-player Campaign]
Starhawk: Map of Despair [Co-op pack] + Grizzly Rig
Starhawk - various skins [x18]
Hell Yeah! Wrath of the Dead Rabbit
Bulletstorm
Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition
Cubixx HD
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
Crysis 2
Batman: Arkham City
Limbo
Vanquish
Big Sky Infinity

So, roughly £800 if you paid full price for these elsewhere. Actual cost? £40. If you can't see the obvious value there, then I'm at a loss. That is the cost of ONE GAME, and you're getting all those.

Your point about bundling doesn't make a lot of sense frankly, as that seems to address stuff you wouldn't want.

Oh, sweet Jesus, GIVE ME ALL YOU'RE GAMES!!!!!!!!