Windows 7 support gone ? I want refund on all of my games

[lukeszymczak]

I don't know what is the reason Steam won't run on Win 7 and 8 anymore at end of the year, but all my games run on windows 7, and since I will not be able to use Steam and play games I have bought, I want refund on all my games. It's a problem caused by you, not by me. So I am not obligated to fix it.

After the refund I wan't the money transferred to my bank, since it will be useless wallet now. I will not be upgrading my system just for the Steam purpose, and just because you said so. There is no logic behind your actions, since this simple client have no any possible need to require windows 10 and higher. And considering the fact that you could still support old version of Steam client, to honor old customers that bought goods with it. I don't know if Microsoft paid you or what benefit you get from that senseless action. If I don't get what I want I am considering a lawsuit, since I just got robbed.

[lukeszymczak]

Messaggio originale di Wohao_Gaster:

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Why you dodge the simple question: why not allow both versions to work ? Got answer for that, no ?

Security. If you don't want to update to the incompatible version, you don't have to. The older version is still there. (also you can still play your games from C:\Program Files (x86)\steamapps\common if you want to update to the incompatible version that badly)

Security ? You mean they care about my security more than myself, and they won't allow me to use older client at my own risk rather than allowing both versions to run ? You are naive.

And what they said is you won't be able to run steam on windows 7.

[Crazy Tiger]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Messaggio originale di Wohao_Gaster:

I don't know why you're making this so hard, you can literally upgrade to windows 10 for free and I don't think chromium is going to expire windows 10 even when microsoft will. move to a non-prehistoric OS, play your games, be happy. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10%20
Why should you care what they update to? Because what they're updating to is not compatible with an OS from 2009.

Why you dodge the simple question: why not allow both versions to work ? Got answer for that, no ?

Not worth the resources and costs to maintain and support an extra client for a minority for little to no actual gain.

[Wohao]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Messaggio originale di Wohao_Gaster:

Security. If you don't want to update to the incompatible version, you don't have to. The older version is still there. (also you can still play your games from C:\Program Files (x86)\steamapps\common if you want to update to the incompatible version that badly)

Security ? You mean they care about my security more than myself, and they won't allow me to use older client at my own risk rather than allowing both versions to run ? You are naive.

You CAN run the older client, nobody's stopping you. As long as you don't update steam you can run the older client. also by security I meant their security, not yours(Though I'd assume by proxy it'd also affect your security)

[The Giving One]

I can do the same thing, applying the same logic :

Why would Microsoft not keep on supporting their own older operating systems ?

[lukeszymczak]

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Why you dodge the simple question: why not allow both versions to work ? Got answer for that, no ?

Not worth the resources and costs to maintain and support an extra client for a minority for little to no actual gain.

Not worth resources of client that already exists ? Imagine how delusional you are if you realize they get 30% cut on any game sold. Now count the number of games, number of copies sold and multiply. Then compare cost of making one game to making a Steam client.

Let alone the fact that now they lose lots of customers like myself, which cost is greater ?

[lukeszymczak]

Messaggio originale di The Giving One:

I can do the same thing, applying the same logic :

Why would Microsoft not keep on supporting their own older operating systems ?

because they want to sell you new ones. Steam doesn't sell client, that's why there must be other reason, given the fact they will lose some customers. So bigger money must be involved from somewhere to offset that. Not simple ?

[The Giving One]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Not worth resources of client that already exists ? Imagine how delusional you are if you realize they get 30% cut on any game sold. Now count the number of games, number of copies sold and multiply. Then compare cost of making one game to making a Steam client.

Yea............to almost less than one percent of all it's users :

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Your own argument right here falls apart faster than we toilet paper in a tornado, only considering how many people are using Windows 7 or 8.

[Crazy Tiger]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Not worth the resources and costs to maintain and support an extra client for a minority for little to no actual gain.

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Not worth the resources and costs to maintain and support an extra client for a minority for little to no actual gain.

Not worth resources of client that already exists ? Imagine how delusional you are if you realize they get 30% cut on any game sold. Now count the number of games, number of copies sold and multiply. Then compare cost of making one game to making a Steam client.

Let alone the fact that now they lose lots of customers like myself, which cost is greater ?

They're going to make changes to both front and backend of Steam that aren't compatible with older Windows versions anymore. So yes, to keep a client on Win7/8 they do need to maintain and support a secondary client. And that's simply not worth the resources, since it's a minority.

It's not "lots of customers". It's just about 1% of the Steam userbase, that's going into "insignificant" territory.

It's fine to have preference for a certain OS (I liked XP mostly). Just don't expect the world to accommodate to that preference.

[Wohao]

Participating more in this discussion isn't worth my time, so I'll leave it at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10%20

[d3str0y3r]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Let alone the fact that now they lose lots of customers like myself, which cost is greater ?

Well considering they are ending Support in Jan. 2024 that should answer your question. These threads will do nothing, just like they did nothing when support ended for Windows 98, XP, and Vista.

You either upgrade to a supported OS or quit using Steam.

[lukeszymczak]

Messaggio originale di The Giving One:

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Not worth resources of client that already exists ? Imagine how delusional you are if you realize they get 30% cut on any game sold. Now count the number of games, number of copies sold and multiply. Then compare cost of making one game to making a Steam client.

Yea............to almost less than one percent of all it's users :

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Your own argument right here falls apart faster than we toilet paper in a tornado, only considering how many people are using Windows 7 or 8.

What argument ? I think you should read again because I don't know what you are talking about. Your answer is inconsistent to my comment

[lukeszymczak]

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Not worth resources of client that already exists ? Imagine how delusional you are if you realize they get 30% cut on any game sold. Now count the number of games, number of copies sold and multiply. Then compare cost of making one game to making a Steam client.

Let alone the fact that now they lose lots of customers like myself, which cost is greater ?

They're going to make changes to both front and backend of Steam that aren't compatible with older Windows versions anymore. So yes, to keep a client on Win7/8 they do need to maintain and support a secondary client. And that's simply not worth the resources, since it's a minority.

It's not "lots of customers". It's just about 1% of the Steam userbase, that's going into "insignificant" territory.

It's fine to have preference for a certain OS (I liked XP mostly). Just don't expect the world to accommodate to that preference.

1% of steam income, how much do you think it is ?

[The Giving One]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

What argument ? I think you should read again because I don't know what you are talking about. Your answer is inconsistent to my comment

Part of your point there was pertaining to money and revenue earned as games are sold, from using a client that already exists and missing out on such revenue.

So I posted proof that hardly anyone is using such operating systems anymore anyway, therefore, not that much revenue would be lost, and most if not all of those users will upgrade to a newer version of Windows anyway, so in that regard, actually no revenue will be lost.

AGAIN.........your games will still run on Windows 7, single player games that is. Just don't apply the update on the day in question and your Steam will not update.

Run the games in off line mode. Problem solved.

Multiplayer games should need no explanation why that won't work.

[Crazy Tiger]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

They're going to make changes to both front and backend of Steam that aren't compatible with older Windows versions anymore. So yes, to keep a client on Win7/8 they do need to maintain and support a secondary client. And that's simply not worth the resources, since it's a minority.

It's not "lots of customers". It's just about 1% of the Steam userbase, that's going into "insignificant" territory.

It's fine to have preference for a certain OS (I liked XP mostly). Just don't expect the world to accommodate to that preference.

1% of steam income, how much do you think it is ?

Enough to be "acceptable losses". Which is something every business calculates when they do major changes, just as every business knows that not every customer is worth keeping.

This is now the 4th time Valve drops support for older Windows versions, they know how this rodeo works. Besides, you really think they haven't done their cost-benefit analysis?

[Wohao]

Messaggio originale di lukeszymczak:

Messaggio originale di Wohao_Gaster:

Participating more in this discussion isn't worth my time, so I'll leave it at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10%20

No thanks man. I work at IT. Win 7 is personal prefference. Win 10 is sh*t for noobs and mentally handicapped people, and is just bad.

The only reasons not to like windows 10 to like windows 7 are the UI and the fact that it's spyware, both of which have solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkEP3xdYctE
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10