Maths vs. ESCROW

[cheavyIZspy]

Steams peak users were 12.6 mil
Steam claims 77.000 accounts compromised a month (I bet many of them repeat "offenders")

Let's do some maths.

12'600'000 ---> 100%
77'000 ---> x%
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77'000 x 100 / 12'600'000 = 0.611111

0.6111 users out of 100 get compromised
0.6111 x 10 = 6.111 users out of 1000 get compromised
6.1111 x 10 = 61 users out of 10'000 get compromised

So 9939 users suffer for 61 users.

[Yuuta]

Lemme continue the math:
0.611111% got compromised a month.
0.611111 x 12 = 7.333332% accounts got compromised a year.
Will you say that 7% of 12600000 is a small number? And it's just that much for just one year.
Also you didn't count those who are fine with using mobile authenticator.
P.S. Your math is just so wrong anyway...

[Albcatmastercat]

What would cause an account to be "Compromised"?

[Bob]

Originally posted by Albcatmastercat:

What would cause an account to be "Compromised"?

Aimbots with built-in keyloggers.

[cheavyIZspy]

Originally posted by Yuuta:

Lemme continue the math:
0.611111% got compromised a month.
0.611111 x 12 = 7.333332% accounts got compromised a year.
Will you say that 7% of 12600000 is a small number? And it's just that much for just one year.
Also you didn't count those who are fine with using mobile authenticator.
P.S. Your math is just so wrong anyway...

You forget the repeat offenders. I'm perfectly fine with ESCROW, sure it's a terrible solution but hey, I can live with it. I'd just hope steam/valve could come up with something better or ATLEAST give each user the choice to not have 15 day protection.

But I do believe it's about pushing the app.

Also if you're correct then wow, there's a ton of gullible folks on steam.

[Starwhite]

So in just about 15 years, every Steam account has been compromised once. Or is it just the same 0.61% falling for yet another scam every month?

[cheavyIZspy]

Originally posted by Starwhite:

So in just about 15 years, every Steam account has been compromised once. Or is it just the same 0.61% falling for yet another scam every month?

Exactly, thanks for thinking a bit deeper there.

I'd say a huge junk of them fall often times. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... (many of them also tried to just rip steam off I bet with false claims, trying to get steam to dupe the items they shoved to their "friend").

Either way since steam isn't responsible for your items anymore why not just give each account the choice to have 15 days or none? Not like steam could lose a thing then. It's all on the user if he accepts 0 days.

[Yuuta]

Originally posted by cheavyIZspy:

Also if you're correct then wow, there's a ton of gullible folks on steam.

Yes, there are tons of gullible folks. You won't believe how many are there.
This is the very reason why we've got an escrow, I believe.

Originally posted by Starwhite:

So in just about 15 years, every Steam account has been compromised once. Or is it just the same 0.61% falling for yet another scam every month?

Except the whole math is incorrect? Well, actually more people will create Steam accounts over time (it won't be always 12kk accounts).

[cheavyIZspy]

Originally posted by Yuuta:

Originally posted by cheavyIZspy:

Also if you're correct then wow, there's a ton of gullible folks on steam.

Yes, there are tons of gullible folks. You won't believe how many are there.
This is the very reason why we've got an escrow, I believe.

Originally posted by Starwhite:

So in just about 15 years, every Steam account has been compromised once. Or is it just the same 0.61% falling for yet another scam every month?

Except the whole math is incorrect? Well, actually more people will create Steam accounts over time (it won't be always 12kk accounts).

How is the whole math incorrect? Just by you saying it is?

If anything according to steam the numbers would proportionally increase the more users there are. Still the percentages would stay similar.

The math is incorrect because many of the 77k offenders fall more than once certainly. So there would even be less reason for ESCROW.

[Yuuta]

Because we don't know the exact number of stolen accounts for each month. In december 2015 Valve said that it was about 77k accounts monthly. It can't be the exact 77k accounts for every single month. Also you are trying to math the number of stolen accounts for a december 2015 and the peak of players for april 2016.

Just curios, is there any information about how many accounts got compromised in the past 2 months?

[Starwhite]

What I always wondered is how many of those 77k are kids trying to scam Steam into duping items by giving them out to friends and reporting stolen. And yes I know they don't do that. :)