is there no way to get around steam guard?

[klotzk]

I don't own a smartphone so i can't trade with any one because my items get hold up for 15 days i can't even sell my items on steam store because in 15 days from now item prices changed to much.

[klotzk]

引用自 MTR：

If they think that I will spend my salary on cellphone just for that then they're plain wrong.

It's just sad that smartphones are being pushed so hard on people and it's not only steam.

[klotzk]

引用自 Snapjak：

Why spend more than 50 on a smartphone? Any prepaid android that can run the mobile app works fine. Even a tablet.

You only need a phone for the sms confirmations.

"You only need a phone for the sms confirmations"
That's the whole point of not buying one.

[dank memes here >> husos.tk]

引用自 The Giving One：

If you cannot use the Steam Guard mobile authenticator, then you will have trade holds.

Why are holds necessary?

Holds protect your items. Steam accounts are valuable, especially if they have items, and that makes them appealing to thieves. Anyone participating in trading or the Community Market should have the highest level of security on their account. If you haven't protected your account with a physical device (using the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator), a hold will give you protection in the form of additional time to discover your account has been compromised and to prevent items from leaving your account.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8078-TPHC-6195

holds arent necessary. well atleast if you arent a dumb 13 year old who isnt clever enough to watch for his own security himself and sometimes use his brain.

and valve forces and treats everyone like those 13 year olds who cant watch for their security themeselves.

i traded for years on my main account without any confirmation ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and not a single time got hacked or scammed or anything like that. everyone who ever got scammed or hacked are braindead.

every scam and trick can be avoided with common sense.

and to op: u can use the windows authenticator if u dont have smartphone. all u need then is a phone number. just google it. or its also possible to use bluestacks or different android emulator, to pretend like u have smartphone to use the app to confirm ♥♥♥♥.

[The Giving One]

引用自 Gangster：

and to op: u can use the windows authenticator if u dont have smartphone. all u need then is a phone number. google it.

Sure, until that phone number is compromised or used by someone else. We have seen users claim to get VAC bans, for example, when doing this.

I already know about this also, but I am not going to post suggestions to new users here on how to bypass security, as that is against the whole idea.

The secuirty is not just about you. It helps to protect the business (Valve), as well as the rest of the community as a whole.

This is already looking like a total repeat of what has been posted time and time again, especially in the megathread. Anything anyone can come up with is almost surely already there in that thread, more than once, too.

[dank memes here >> husos.tk]

引用自 The Giving One：

引用自 Gangster：

and to op: u can use the windows authenticator if u dont have smartphone. all u need then is a phone number. google it.

Sure, until that phone number is compromised or used by someone else. We have seen users claim to get VAC bans, for example, when doing this.

I already know about this also, but I am not going to post suggestions to new users here on how to bypass security, as that is against the whole idea.

The secuirty is not just about you. It helps to protect the business (Valve), as well as the rest of the community as a whole.

This is already looking like a total repeat of what has been posted time and time again, especially in the megathread. Anything anyone can come up with is almost surely already there in that thread, more than once, too.

i didnt read the previous posts. and wtf? why should my phone number get compromised or used by someone else??? even if someone finds out my number they need to enter the confirmation code sent to it, and obviously they dont have access to that.

idk if its me or u but i dont get what the fck u are talking about

[The Giving One]

引用自 Gangster：

idk if its me or u but i dont get what the fck u are talking about

It's you. Search the VAC forum. Users get phone numbers from "other sources" all the time to bypass the security and we have seen them post about still getting hijacked and VAC banned, as in sharing a number that someone else also used or is using. It is totally possible and has happened.

If you use third party tools on the same device (computer) and that computer is compromised with malware, for example, then you are right back to square one.....the account gets hijacked and items go bye-bye.

Two totally seperate devices is the way it will work, and by using your credentials only, not from another "source".

This is all exhaustingly covered time and time again in the megathread, the link I previously posted.

[dank memes here >> husos.tk]

引用自 The Giving One：

引用自 Gangster：

idk if its me or u but i dont get what the fck u are talking about

It's you. Search the VAC forum. Users get phone numbers from "other sources" all the time to bypass the security and we have seen them post about still getting hijacked and VAC banned, as in sharing a number that someone else also used or is using. It is totally possible and has happened.

If you use third party tools on the same device (computer) and that computer is compromised with malware, for example, then you are right back to square one.....the account gets hijacked and items go bye-bye.

Two totally seperate devices is the way it will work, and by using your credentials only, not from another "source".

This is all exhaustingly covered time and time again in the megathread, the link I previously posted.

ah yeah, forgot to say. op, as phone number use ur own number, dont get from other source, thats probably true that getting phone numbers from someone else, is risky and shouldnt be done.

And really there is no other option for people than using windows authenticator, if they dont have a smartphone, or one that doesnt support the ♥♥♥♥ app (windows phone). But if you have even a tiny bit of intelligence, that shouldnt be a security risk, because for a person that doesnt have any brain problems and didnt lived in a cave for past 20 years, it shouldnt be a problem to keep your account / pc safe and clear from any viruses and malware, its really not hard just by using common sense. for example all the like 4 years i think that i traded on steam without any confirmations, i didnt had a virus or malware on my pc a single time.

in conclusion: unless you are really dumb or unexperienced, you dont necessary need any confirmations, and still be completely safe.

[MancSoulja]

引用自 Dr plop：

引用自 Snapjak：

Why spend more than 50 on a smartphone? Any prepaid android that can run the mobile app works fine. Even a tablet.

You only need a phone for the sms confirmations.

"You only need a phone for the sms confirmations"
That's the whole point of not buying one.

Just download an android emulator for your PC or use VirtualBox and install Android x86. Then you can use any old phone for the initial text.

[dank memes here >> husos.tk]

by the way, atleast for myself: its a lot more likely where im from to get robbed on street and get my phone (authenticator) stolen, than to get hacked or get viruses etc. on my pc.
Aslo i have Kaspersky as assurance, in case i make a mistake and download something that could harm my pc or steal account informations. Never did a mistake yet, but assurance is always good.

[The Giving One]

引用自 Gangster：

by the way, atleast for myself: its a lot more likely where im from to get robbed on street and get my phone (authenticator) stolen, than to get hacked or get viruses etc. on my pc.
Aslo i have Kaspersky as assurance, in case i make a mistake and download something that could harm my pc or steal account informations. Never did a mistake yet, but assurance is always good.

That is great, but one problem is that antivirus programs are not usually as effective against malware, and malware is the usual attack that we see concerning hijacked or otherwise compromised accounts.

The usual suggestion for that is Malwarebytes.

Antivirus for a virus.
Antimalware for malware.

[MancSoulja]

引用自 The Giving One：

引用自 Gangster：

by the way, atleast for myself: its a lot more likely where im from to get robbed on street and get my phone (authenticator) stolen, than to get hacked or get viruses etc. on my pc.
Aslo i have Kaspersky as assurance, in case i make a mistake and download something that could harm my pc or steal account informations. Never did a mistake yet, but assurance is always good.

That is great, but one problem is that antivirus programs are not usually as effective against malware, and malware is the usual attack that we see concerning hijacked or otherwise compromised accounts.

The usual suggestion for that is Malwarebytes.

Antivirus for a virus.
Antimalware for malware.

A virus is a type of Malware. Malware is an umbrella term for any malicious software.

[The Giving One]

引用自 MancSoulja：

A virus is a type of Malware. Malware is an umbrella term for any malicious software.

Yet Malwarebytes is the program suggested here almost all the time when a user's account was or is compromised. Phishing links usually install malware.

Easily proven by using the search feature of the help and tips forum. You can simply search "Malwarebytes" and see that. Thanks.

[MancSoulja]

引用自 The Giving One：

引用自 MancSoulja：

A virus is a type of Malware. Malware is an umbrella term for any malicious software.

Yet Malwarebytes is the program suggested here almost all the time when a user's account was or is compromised. Phishing links usually install malware.

Easily proven by using the search feature of the help and tips forum. You can simply search "Malwarebytes" and see that. Thanks.

Of course, that's because Malwarebytes does so much more than Anti-Virus software. The only reason to use both is because Malwarebytes lacks a firewall.

[The Giving One]

引用自 MancSoulja：

Of course, that's because Malwarebytes does so much more than Anti-Virus software. The only reason to use both is because Malwarebytes lacks a firewall.

You touched on a good point here. Use both, antivirus and antimalware, and more versions of each the better.

In the end, just because the infection is not found that does not mean it does not exist though. This is always important to remember. I have seen a case where a user installed and scanned with 4 different programs, and his account was still getting hijacked, even after he found noting at all during those scans with all those antivirus/antimalware programs.

I might be able to dig up that thread, but it is pretty old from what I remember.

EDIT..CORRECTION..The account was getting compromised, not hijacked, if my memory is correct here.

[klotzk]

Thanks everyone but i'm not going to get the authenticator anyway because it's to much of a hasle and i'll get problems when i want to log-on on a different pc.

I will just send my items to a friend who then can sell it to a third party or something and i'll be able to get it in cash or a gift.

But i'll never buy anything from the steam market or store again untill valve gets an alternative to steam guard.