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Alternatives for this scenario is to either purchase a key from a legit 3rd party key reseller to give to your friend to activate in their account, or send them the money it costs for them to buy on their own with Steam Digital Gift Card.
How am i supposed to know how much to even buy a digital gift card for if i want share with them a game I enjoyed?
Where does one register a complaint to change this outdated practice- today the current exchange rate can be determined virtually instantly online.
I think I will get them something from their amazon list instead now.
That's illegal. People would complain about bait-and-switch prices. "You lured me in with a cheap price and then increased it when I tried to buy as a gift!"
That's a fair argument. Steam doesn't display game prices for all regions to each person. You'd have to ask your friend directly how much a game is in their store. Alternatively, you can use the website steamdb.info to research that yourself. They maintain an exhaustive database of Steam's store listings including the price breakdown of a game across all of the different regions.
The Suggestions and Ideas discussion forum is probably the most appropriate location for you to complain about the "outdated practice". It's not so much that is outdated but necessary in the video game industry.
And it's not simply about exchange rates. Publishers price their games according to a region's purchasing power. Well, most do, anyway. What may be $20 for you might cost only the equivalent of $10 for someone else in their own currency. If that's the case it would be 50% cheaper and therefore restrict you from gifting them that game.
Currency exchange isnt illegal so long as they state it up front. overseas friends and family would understand and not mind.
There's obviously legal restrictions for a start. Also, Valve don't set the price for games they don't own - they CANNOT.
But moe than this, people used to circumvent region restrictions and buy games on the cheap. Valve clamped down on that some months ago so you can no longer do this.
Sucks, but is what it is.
OK that is stupid players fault, not steam. And non-stupid playrs will understand why there is an exchange rate, just have it stated clearly before purchase. anyone that cant figure that out.... no sympathies sorry. Steam shouldnt have to lower itself to the lowest common denominator of its user base.
1. Steam has many methods to prevent cheating from other ways... surely they could have something for this?
2. asking friend how much a game costs to give them a gift certificate RUINS the whole SURPRISE GIFT aspect
3. its also not a legal issue if done properly... Been thru this with international organisations many times. We had same issue come up... one person threatened to litigate and couldn't find anyone to take their case because the lawyers knew the laws. They eventually reported to BBB and BBB even told them to eff off they didnt know what they were talking about.
4.. I have severl games in my library that my friend does.... SAME PRICE.... why not let devs CHOOSE if they want to ask different prices or same prices... even if steam did NOTHING about making a way for members to gift across currency exchanges, if the devs do not alter the price (or even if they do) let the Devs choose.... if the games we both share that have the same price would let me buy a gift for them (which AFAIK do not, as I we already have them, but I assume there are at least SOME others on their wishlist that do), why not permit at least those devs to have their games sold as gifts since they charge the same price everywher (these are mostly indie games charging $1- $3). I'd still be happy to pay more by exchange rate, or because the devs want to charge differently by region, but for those devs that do not,and charge the same everywhere, - why not let them have their games gifted... it means more sales for them after all!
Surely by now they can track and ban people that cheat the system? We did it with simple pet pedigree systems (animals said to be from a certain region were more 'desirable', so demanded more money). If a little club could do it, certainly Steam could- IMHO it is just laziness.
I understand some dev's change differently by region.... even if Steam doesnt want to get into policing who is in what region to prevent people getting games for less than they should be.... those Devs that do NOT charge more by region (and even those that do), should have the option to CHOOSE if they will allow others to gift their games.
The friend I mentioned and I have several games in common, at the same price- most $1-$3.
I should at the VERY LEAST be able to buy games that cost the SAME for us both!
I think you're confusing exchange rate for price equivalency. If a game costs you $1, and your friend in another currency region the game still costs $1, then it doesn't fall outside of the 10% cutoff. Is this not clear? If your friend is in the Eurozone, and the game costs you $1 and the game costs them €0.89, then it is the same price for the both of you since as of right now the exchange rate between the two regions is US$1 = €0.89. If the game were to cost them €0.99, then it costs you $1 and it costs them $1.11. As that is 11% higher cost for them, you cannot gift the game to them. Is this not making sense?
And the devs, or publishers, do have complete price control between regions. They can even flag certain games as giftable or not. They can even enforce more regional control where one region can't gift to a different region. Many SEA countries can only gift to specific SEA countries. Some Resident Evil titles have three regions with Japan on their own and the rest of the world split into two separate purchasing regions.
They do to some extent, but people always find a way around them. When people find holes in the system, Steam puts blocks in place. Recently Steam has begun cracking down on users gifting games to others with Steam Wallet funds for possibly a way of cashing out those funds but "selling" games to others. Further back they made store currency hopping impossible without that person making a purchase with outside funds tied to a local financial institution.
The 10% cutoff for gifts that you're so upset about is another security measure that was put in place to combat region hopping. While it may be preventing you from making a legitimate gift purchase to your friend, it's ensuring purchasing power to lower/smaller economical regions by allowing devs to price games lower for those customers. Without it, publishers would have no choice but to raise prices in those regions effectively cutting off the ability for them to buy games.
While it may be an inconvenience for you, it has benefits to many others.
Yes and no.
Sure, they have a awelath of info at their fingertips.
But there's two big problems here you might be missing. One, that data only is internal about stuff within Steam. As soon as that data or acitivity goes external, they have no way of checking.
Two, even if they did have a slam dunk of evidence, it very much assumes they can do anything about it. Sure, they can ban from their platform. But they can't stop them coming back again and hiding their ID any more than anyone else can.
Furthermore, they certainly CAN easily ban anyone skirting regional restrictions. But here's the point - is it easier to leave the floodgates open then go and manually chase down thousands upon thousands of accounts, or put up security fences to stop them in the first place?
The asnwer should be obvious because every single company, bank, et al does the same.
1, IDK what the cost of the games i would like to gift cost. I am simply stating that there ARE games that cost the same/similar across countries/economic zones; i also used the link provided above to see prices of games in different economic zones, and the games we have in common price out very close (iow their denomination of $X.xx is very close to what it would be in USDs or EUros). Thus, IMHO these games should be permitted to be bought as gifts, and/or devs permitted to opt in to gift-giving. Perhaps they could be colour coded as to which games are purchasable for gifts out of region, so that I do not have to go thru 6-dozen or so odd games trying to find one that will allow me to (if hey even allow it in the current state). If they do allow it, as I said, some kind of colour code or icon so that I can quickly ID those games I can gift would be very beneficial to gift giving (and steam and devs making $$$) rather than my trying a dozen times and giving up because the ones I tried didnt work.
2, as said, I'd be happy to pay the higher rate (I assume my country is the higher rate) to gift a friend. Again, Devs could opt in to allowing people to gift this way, with a statement explaining the difference in pricing so that people know what they are paying for and dont get upset and if they dont like it they can not gift, while people like me can gift.
I really dont see why this is such a problem for steam. They've lost some gift sales... I doubt they care about me as one person... perhaps if others would like to gift as I do, they might care, IDK. But asking 'how much is XYZ game for you?' so that I can give them a gift card just ruins the whole gift giving experience / surprise (especially if its not on their wishlist, but I know its something they will like).... so I'll buy them something else, not a game, but from their amazon wishlist.... even if I cant biy from vendors that can deliver to them in time, I can buy it locally and ship it priority/overnight... sure, more expensive, but certain gifts are worth that.
3. dont understand why steam cant make better effort to control people cheating the system... like I said, a small pet club managed it (myself on the software/hosting committee) Steam can't? I find that laughable and lazy. there are ways to deal with it if they want to please customers interested in gifting. Maybe not enough people gift to make it worth their while, IDK, but its not impossible, and since they do not provide for gift givers like me, I will gift give elsewhere, thus spending my money elsewhere, instead of on steam and the devs that sell here ( i feel bad for the devs, but either they are happy with the status quo, or they need to complain)
5. Asking friend for cost of XYZ game for a gift certificate RUINS the whole surprise/gift giving aspect... especially with games that may not me on their wishlist, but knowing them, I know they are likely to like XYZ game I have played. This ruining of a surprise is a big issue for gifting... why is this hard to understand?
6 Unless there is some new info, I think we are talking in circles. I will as suggested, send a complaint to steam about it with suggestions on preventing fraud while permitting gift giving, but if they dont want to implement anything for this, then again, as stated, i will spend $$$ and buy gifts elsewhere.
I thank you for your explainations on the reasons and history and the links, but they havent changed my mind. They have given me info to refer to when writing to steam though.
I doubt I, as one person will make a difference, but if others chime in, asking for this option, directly to steam, rather then in a thread like this, perhaps something can be done to move forward. In the meantime, they loose my money (I gift quite often, this is a very new friend).
peace
They could allow vendors to opt in to pernitting gifting and have an explaination on the cost difference. They need not allow everyone to buy every game from outside their region as gifts, but for those Devs that do not mind , why not let them? There can be a colour coded text or icon clarifying on wishlists (and no place else) that the game can be gifted despite other games not being able to be.
I'd have loved to gift my friend something here, but since steam wont let me, they will be geting a tangible gift by postal mail based off their amazon wishlist instead. Less money to steam. Maybe I'm a lone person that would be happy to pay extra for gifting, but I doubt Im the only one, if enough people said they share my opinion, I dont see why they cant find a way to make this work.
No, I looked up the exchange rate. If my initial comment was unclear, sorry about that.