Every patch reinstalls full game

[thegeodemon]

Been having this problem ever since the last change to Steam's new look.

Whenever a game needs a patch, it will download a small patch- say 103mb.
Then the total patch my HD has to write is the entirety of the game size - 20+gigs.
It is always the full size of the game, as if it was starting from scratch.

So the download part is super fast, like 3- 5 seconds. Then it takes 10-15 minutes for my NVME HD to finish the patch because the total patch size always reads the same as the entire installed game.

This happens on every game, every patch. So if a game is 8.4 gigs, then each patch I need to wait for 8.4gigs. If a game is 39 gigs- the patc hwill be 39 gigs even if the update is only 100mb.

I've tried reinstalling steam, changing install directories, and turning on and off cloud sync. I just can't figure it out. It sucks to take 20 mins to install a patch that should be sub 10 seconds.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 MonkehMaster：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Well again I was responding to someone else's claim. That's how this very thread reads. Go back and check it.

If you don't understand that, it's on you because I've clearly explained this now.

Sorry but that's just how it is. I don't believe their claim and that's that.

But let me try and break it down a bit further for you. Let's assume that I did indeed make a postive claim and I'm not just responding to someone else. Then I say this - sorry, I can't be arsed to provide evidence so you are free to dismiss it as nonsense.

But here's the kicker - it still doesn'#t mean that the person's claim I was responding to miraculously becomes true.

Ergo, it doesn't change anything. And that's why it's a default position that is the salient point here, because any such additional claim I made is moot to the OP.

well, you say it didnt change, ergo... i dont believe you and you have supplied zero evidence/proof.

guess, thats that.

Well again that's not how burden of rpoof works and you're wrong. Sorry.

As I pointed out if you don't believe me and I don't provide the evidence that STILL doesn't change the fact that the OPs lcaim hasn't met THIER burden of proof still.

That's the point - it gets you no closer to the answer. I already explained that.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 thegeodemon：

引用自 rawWwRrr：

There is no workaround. Your solution is to talk to the devs of the games you're experiencing update problems with.

Everyone can argue about who said what and when to whom about which, but your solution is not going to change. Talk to the devs of your games.

Devs don't have control over the options on steam though.
This is a Steam issue only.

If I update BL2 on the Epic launcher its only a few seconds.
If I update BL2 on steam its a 10 minute process.

As it currently stands, its faster to reinstall a game than it is to run a 100mb patch.
If it can install a game without slogging your HD down to 50-80mb/s, then they should also do the same with their patches. Like it used to be before that dumb patch last year.

And that's because there are differences with how games work on Steam. You can easily find this out by searching these forums.

All games on Steam are downloaded encrypted and compressed. This means that when you donwload here it is NEVER just down to your net connection, but your I/O, RAM, CPU, hard drive et al.

You can monitor this by both looking at the downloads graph while you're downloading to see what's happening at all times, and by checking Windows Task Manager. If you see any of your system resrouces, say your RAM for example, being hit harder, then that's your bottleneck.

And again all games work differently as it's down to how they're coded too.

[MonkehMaster]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 MonkehMaster：

well, you say it didnt change, ergo... i dont believe you and you have supplied zero evidence/proof.

guess, thats that.

Well again that's not how burden of rpoof works and you're wrong. Sorry.

As I pointed out if you don't believe me and I don't provide the evidence that STILL doesn't change the fact that the OPs lcaim hasn't met THIER burden of proof still.

That's the point - it gets you no closer to the answer. I already explained that.

well i pointed out, that you pointed out, that if i dont believe your claim, then i dont need proof, just as you do the same, so i guess if the OP doesnt believe you, then the OP doesnt need to provide proof for you.

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 thegeodemon：

Devs don't have control over the options on steam though.
This is a Steam issue only.

If I update BL2 on the Epic launcher its only a few seconds.
If I update BL2 on steam its a 10 minute process.

As it currently stands, its faster to reinstall a game than it is to run a 100mb patch.
If it can install a game without slogging your HD down to 50-80mb/s, then they should also do the same with their patches. Like it used to be before that dumb patch last year.

And that's because there are differences with how games work on Steam. You can easily find this out by searching these forums.

All games on Steam are downloaded encrypted and compressed. This means that when you donwload here it is NEVER just down to your net connection, but your I/O, RAM, CPU, hard drive et al.

You can monitor this by both looking at the downloads graph while you're downloading to see what's happening at all times, and by checking Windows Task Manager. If you see any of your system resrouces, say your RAM for example, being hit harder, then that's your bottleneck.

And again all games work differently as it's down to how they're coded too.

im sorry, but we need some proof of your claim, because im willing to bet, not all game updates/patches are "encrypted and compressed" as seen by games with big/small updates/patches that dont take hours, while other big/small updates/patches do... which again suggests, steam has more than one update/patch process that devs can choose to use.

which btw, has zero to do with "how games are coded"...

because you know, steam is the factor here and steam provides the platform and tools, that these devs can use here on steam.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 MonkehMaster：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Well again that's not how burden of rpoof works and you're wrong. Sorry.

As I pointed out if you don't believe me and I don't provide the evidence that STILL doesn't change the fact that the OPs lcaim hasn't met THIER burden of proof still.

That's the point - it gets you no closer to the answer. I already explained that.

well i pointed out, that you pointed out, that if i dont believe your claim, then i dont need proof, just as you do the same, so i guess if the OP doesnt believe you, then the OP doesnt need to provide proof for you.

引用自 crunchyfrog：

And that's because there are differences with how games work on Steam. You can easily find this out by searching these forums.

All games on Steam are downloaded encrypted and compressed. This means that when you donwload here it is NEVER just down to your net connection, but your I/O, RAM, CPU, hard drive et al.

You can monitor this by both looking at the downloads graph while you're downloading to see what's happening at all times, and by checking Windows Task Manager. If you see any of your system resrouces, say your RAM for example, being hit harder, then that's your bottleneck.

And again all games work differently as it's down to how they're coded too.

im sorry, but we need some proof of your claim, because im willing to bet, not all game updates/patches are "encrypted and compressed" as seen by games with big/small updates/patches that dont take hours, while other big/small updates/patches do... which again suggests, steam has more than one update/patch process that devs can choose to use.

which btw, has zero to do with "how games are coded"...

because you know, steam is the factor here and steam provides the platform and tools, that these devs can use here on steam.

Nope that's not how it works. You can't turn it around like that Again you not understnanding how burden of proof works dones't mean you can go "nuh nuh it doesn't work".

So the fact remains you CANNOT get round the basic fact that the claim I was responding to hasn't met it's burden of proof, whether or not I provide evidence for my claim or not.

That's what you're not getting.

There is NO eivndece presented that there has been a change, and until this has been demonstrated there is no evidence the OPs claim is valid.

This is why logic works and I bang on about it - because myths LOVE to spread here.

So sadly you can't get around this - if there is evidencof such a change and someone demosntrates it, I'll gladly believe it,. but not until. Because that's not how evidence works.

[MonkehMaster]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 MonkehMaster：

well i pointed out, that you pointed out, that if i dont believe your claim, then i dont need proof, just as you do the same, so i guess if the OP doesnt believe you, then the OP doesnt need to provide proof for you.

im sorry, but we need some proof of your claim, because im willing to bet, not all game updates/patches are "encrypted and compressed" as seen by games with big/small updates/patches that dont take hours, while other big/small updates/patches do... which again suggests, steam has more than one update/patch process that devs can choose to use.

which btw, has zero to do with "how games are coded"...

because you know, steam is the factor here and steam provides the platform and tools, that these devs can use here on steam.

Nope that's not how it works. You can't turn it around like that Again you not understnanding how burden of proof works dones't mean you can go "nuh nuh it doesn't work".

So the fact remains you CANNOT get round the basic fact that the claim I was responding to hasn't met it's burden of proof, whether or not I provide evidence for my claim or not.

That's what you're not getting.

There is NO eivndece presented that there has been a change, and until this has been demonstrated there is no evidence the OPs claim is valid.

This is why logic works and I bang on about it - because myths LOVE to spread here.

So sadly you can't get around this - if there is evidencof such a change and someone demosntrates it, I'll gladly believe it,. but not until. Because that's not how evidence works.

not me that doesnt understand, thats just you pushing blame, you make a claim you provide evidence/proof, just like you demand from others, end of story.

that being said, im not playing your circular deflect and argue game either, we dont need your myths or misinformation here, nor you jumping into threads of complaints on a topic when you obviously have nothing to offer on the topic.

btw, there is no evidence here that shows there wasnt anything changed... see how that works?

bye, have a nice day.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 MonkehMaster：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Nope that's not how it works. You can't turn it around like that Again you not understnanding how burden of proof works dones't mean you can go "nuh nuh it doesn't work".

So the fact remains you CANNOT get round the basic fact that the claim I was responding to hasn't met it's burden of proof, whether or not I provide evidence for my claim or not.

That's what you're not getting.

There is NO eivndece presented that there has been a change, and until this has been demonstrated there is no evidence the OPs claim is valid.

This is why logic works and I bang on about it - because myths LOVE to spread here.

So sadly you can't get around this - if there is evidencof such a change and someone demosntrates it, I'll gladly believe it,. but not until. Because that's not how evidence works.

not me that doesnt understand, thats just you pushing blame, you make a claim you provide evidence/proof, just like you demand from others, end of story.

that being said, im not playing your circular deflect and argue game either, we dont need your myths or misinformation here, nor you jumping into threads of complaints on a topic when you obviously have nothing to offer on the topic.

btw, there is no evidence here that shows there wasnt anything changed... see how that works?

bye, have a nice day.

Again, you're twisting things.

The fact remains this was claimed that there has been something that has changed on Steam and therefore Steam is somehow the problem here.

I don't blieve that and said so.

There has been no evidence demonstrated to back up this claim, so it must be dismissed as bollocks.

You CANNOT get round it and no amount of dodging gets round it. I'm sorry you don't get this but that's how it is -0 logic and reality are absolute. It doesn't chang just because you make exucses.

If there's evidence, then have at it and present it and if it's correct I'll happily believe it.

[thegeodemon]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 thegeodemon：

Devs don't have control over the options on steam though.
This is a Steam issue only.

If I update BL2 on the Epic launcher its only a few seconds.
If I update BL2 on steam its a 10 minute process.

As it currently stands, its faster to reinstall a game than it is to run a 100mb patch.
If it can install a game without slogging your HD down to 50-80mb/s, then they should also do the same with their patches. Like it used to be before that dumb patch last year.

And that's because there are differences with how games work on Steam. You can easily find this out by searching these forums.

I'll just leave this right here...

[MonkehMaster]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 MonkehMaster：

not me that doesnt understand, thats just you pushing blame, you make a claim you provide evidence/proof, just like you demand from others, end of story.

that being said, im not playing your circular deflect and argue game either, we dont need your myths or misinformation here, nor you jumping into threads of complaints on a topic when you obviously have nothing to offer on the topic.

btw, there is no evidence here that shows there wasnt anything changed... see how that works?

bye, have a nice day.

Again, you're twisting things.

The fact remains this was claimed that there has been something that has changed on Steam and therefore Steam is somehow the problem here.

I don't blieve that and said so.

There has been no evidence demonstrated to back up this claim, so it must be dismissed as bollocks.

You CANNOT get round it and no amount of dodging gets round it. I'm sorry you don't get this but that's how it is -0 logic and reality are absolute. It doesn't chang just because you make exucses.

If there's evidence, then have at it and present it and if it's correct I'll happily believe it.

you said nothing changed and have provided no evidence/proof, so it must be dismissed as bollocks.

ill use more of your words...

"You CANNOT get round it and no amount of dodging gets round it. I'm sorry you don't get this but that's how it is -0 logic and reality are absolute. It doesn't change just because you make excuses."

practice what you preach...

good day.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 MonkehMaster：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Again, you're twisting things.

The fact remains this was claimed that there has been something that has changed on Steam and therefore Steam is somehow the problem here.

I don't blieve that and said so.

There has been no evidence demonstrated to back up this claim, so it must be dismissed as bollocks.

You CANNOT get round it and no amount of dodging gets round it. I'm sorry you don't get this but that's how it is -0 logic and reality are absolute. It doesn't chang just because you make exucses.

If there's evidence, then have at it and present it and if it's correct I'll happily believe it.

you said nothing changed and have provided no evidence/proof, so it must be dismissed as bollocks.

ill use more of your words...

"You CANNOT get round it and no amount of dodging gets round it. I'm sorry you don't get this but that's how it is -0 logic and reality are absolute. It doesn't change just because you make excuses."

practice what you preach...

good day.

Yes and I'll detail it yet again to you by breaking it down.

I already explained that I added more than I should in disbleiving their claim.

So if we take the fact that I disbelieved the claim that there has been a change, and I claim that I know this from being on here for some years, then let's assume I don't bother to back that claim up (which is what I said).

All that means is you are entitled to say my claim about being no change is bollocks.

Now what? Well you STILL haven't demonstrated the claim made by the OP that this change does exist. And you still need to demonstrate that.

So again, no matter whterh I show evidence for my statement or not it still doesn't get you around the claim here.

Do you grasp it yet?

The fact remains that all games are coded differently and it has not been demonstrated that there's been some weird changes to Steam that have caused this issue. Until such evidence comes forward, sorry, then it hasn't happened.

[Sondardo]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 MonkehMaster：

not me that doesnt understand, thats just you pushing blame, you make a claim you provide evidence/proof, just like you demand from others, end of story.

that being said, im not playing your circular deflect and argue game either, we dont need your myths or misinformation here, nor you jumping into threads of complaints on a topic when you obviously have nothing to offer on the topic.

btw, there is no evidence here that shows there wasnt anything changed... see how that works?

bye, have a nice day.

Again, you're twisting things.

The fact remains this was claimed that there has been something that has changed on Steam and therefore Steam is somehow the problem here.

I don't blieve that and said so.

There has been no evidence demonstrated to back up this claim, so it must be dismissed as bollocks.

You CANNOT get round it and no amount of dodging gets round it. I'm sorry you don't get this but that's how it is -0 logic and reality are absolute. It doesn't chang just because you make exucses.

If there's evidence, then have at it and present it and if it's correct I'll happily believe it.

Just chiming in and posting my two cents, didn't think this thread was still ongoing.

Asking for evidence that the patching system changed and is slower than before, even if we wanted to, how do we do it?

Unless someone last year, for some obscure reason, decided to record a video of them patching a game back then, how can someone produce evidence? Even if we wanted to, we cannot, so we have to rely on our memories and anodectal evidence to report this, as this is pretty much our only option.

I could be wrong of course, so if you know of a way to produce evidence, please do tell us how. Otherwise, it feels like what you're asking for is a dead end.

Anyway, was just curious.

Wish you all a good day!

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Sondardo：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Again, you're twisting things.

The fact remains this was claimed that there has been something that has changed on Steam and therefore Steam is somehow the problem here.

I don't blieve that and said so.

There has been no evidence demonstrated to back up this claim, so it must be dismissed as bollocks.

You CANNOT get round it and no amount of dodging gets round it. I'm sorry you don't get this but that's how it is -0 logic and reality are absolute. It doesn't chang just because you make exucses.

If there's evidence, then have at it and present it and if it's correct I'll happily believe it.

Just chiming in and posting my two cents, didn't think this thread was still ongoing.

Asking for evidence that the patching system changed and is slower than before, even if we wanted to, how do we do it?

Unless someone last year, for some obscure reason, decided to record a video of them patching a game back then, how can someone produce evidence? Even if we wanted to, we cannot, so we have to rely on our memories and anodectal evidence to report this, as this is pretty much our only option.

I could be wrong of course, so if you know of a way to produce evidence, please do tell us how. Otherwise, it feels like what you're asking for is a dead end.

Anyway, was just curious.

Wish you all a good day!

To be perfectly frank, no idea.

You see that's the thing about burden of proof. It ain't on the person disbleiving the claim to do ANYTHING.

For example, if I said "I've got an orange crothculent living under my kitchen table, by the frobbery" YOu could say "prove it".

But it ain't your remit to say how you want it proven. That's entirely up to me, the person asserting the positive claim.

If someone says a certain God exists, not up to me to say how they're going to prove it. It's their claim - they should know. Because quite simply, if they don't know, then they don't have evidence do they?

[MonkehMaster]

just stopping by to drop this here for anyone who thought they knew what they were talking about and demanded proof of changes... you know, the changes that didnt happen....

https://imgur.com/a/z5AiicY

and for reference... https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading

have a nice day.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 MonkehMaster：

just stopping by to drop this here for anyone who thought they knew what they were talking about and demanded proof of changes... you know, the changes that didnt happen.... :cqlol:

https://imgur.com/a/z5AiicY

and for reference... https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading

have a nice day.

Cool, now that's half the thing I asked for.

Now you need to demonstrate how that applies to this case.

[MonkehMaster]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 MonkehMaster：

just stopping by to drop this here for anyone who thought they knew what they were talking about and demanded proof of changes... you know, the changes that didnt happen....

https://imgur.com/a/z5AiicY

and for reference... https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading

have a nice day.

Cool, now that's half the thing I asked for.

Now you need to demonstrate how that applies to this case.

nope, i already proved you wrong.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 MonkehMaster：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Cool, now that's half the thing I asked for.

Now you need to demonstrate how that applies to this case.

nope, i already proved you wrong.

Nope you most certainly didn't so if you are unewilling to fulfil your burden of rpoof. we're back at dismissing your claims as nonsense.

That's just how reality works and you can't escape it.

You need to jointhe dots