Requires Billing Address for Purchase with Steam Wallet Funds

[Literally Me]

I am unable to purchase anything with my wallet funds without first inputting a billing address. I have never had to do this before. Is this a recent change and, if possible, how can I go back to just purchasing with wallet funds?

[AdamxCZE]

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

Publicado originalmente por adam1999x:

the eu cannot do anything because it has limited powers so far. but you write about the fact that the US states do not have independence it is clear it is a federation, but the law had to amend the deputies in the US and not the court, or in Wrong?

The US states DO have significant independence. Unless the Federal government has passed a law specifically outlawing/allowing something and written such that there is no ability to override or interpret it differently the US states have the ability to write their own laws doing whatever they want on top of the federal laws (narrowing scope, increasing punishments, adding additional taxes, etc).

But yes the US State Legislatures have been the ones amending the sales taxes rules for their state (hence why it's been coming in progressively over several years as they pass updated laws they are happy with) requiring companies like Valve to start charging and remitting tax to the state for any residents in that state that are making purchases through Steam.

But few days Is not it was not mandatory, and now it's mandatory everywhere outside the US, why you talking about years?

[Darren]

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

If that is the address to which your bills go to that is fine to use as an address. If that address causes a misleading impression as to the amount of tax that you have to pay your accountant will be the first person to report you for tax fraud. As it would be a professional violation not to, not to mention a criminal offense.

I did not break any tax laws, card was bought in store in country where i live. If the card is redeemed and i buy a game then i automaticly pay tax. It's steam fault if they did not update their own store. And i am certainly not gonna pay more, cause the special discounts exceeded tax revenues. Also the stores problem.

Again. Purchase location of the card has nothing to do with paying tax.

Steam has updated their store specifically requiring you to input accurate billing information so you are charged the correct tax. If you lie on that form as to your address you are committing tax fraud. There is no ands/ifs/buts on that. That is the entire point of Steam making you fill in this information it's to cover them legally so they can say that they did their best to ensure they remitted the right tax to the right country for every purchase. How could they know you'd deliberately and knowingly lied.

Should your government find out you will be fined at a minimum and have to repay the tax out of your own pocket (instead of having Valve cover it for you at checkout).

[AdamxCZE]

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

I did not break any tax laws, card was bought in store in country where i live. If the card is redeemed and i buy a game then i automaticly pay tax. It's steam fault if they did not update their own store. And i am certainly not gonna pay more, cause the special discounts exceeded tax revenues. Also the stores problem.

Again. Purchase location of the card has nothing to do with paying tax.

Steam has updated their store specifically requiring you to input accurate billing information so you are charged the correct tax. If you lie on that form as to your address you are committing tax fraud. There is no ands/ifs/buts on that. That is the entire point of Steam making you fill in this information it's to cover them legally so they can say that they did their best to ensure they remitted the right tax to the right country for every purchase. How could they know you'd deliberately and knowingly lied.

Should your government find out you will be fined at a minimum and have to repay the tax out of your own pocket (instead of having Valve cover it for you at checkout).

If he lie in country, if lying only in city or some details he not scam anyone.

[isomorphic_projection]

I looked, and you know how it goes with revenues and tax. If payed to much, then the receiver needs to pay back. 15% EU, 21% Netherlands, could be in my favour. Lets see what i bought the last 5 years on which i payed to much.

[Darren]

Publicado originalmente por adam1999x:

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

The US states DO have significant independence. Unless the Federal government has passed a law specifically outlawing/allowing something and written such that there is no ability to override or interpret it differently the US states have the ability to write their own laws doing whatever they want on top of the federal laws (narrowing scope, increasing punishments, adding additional taxes, etc).

But yes the US State Legislatures have been the ones amending the sales taxes rules for their state (hence why it's been coming in progressively over several years as they pass updated laws they are happy with) requiring companies like Valve to start charging and remitting tax to the state for any residents in that state that are making purchases through Steam.

But few days Is not it was not mandatory, and now it's mandatory everywhere outside the US, why you talking about years?

Nothing happens instantly. Steam has been adjusting it's system to remit tax for the last couple of years. Initially doing the minimum "let's make sure we remit the tax assuming the basic account details are correct, and most people have billing addresses they've used at least once which helps" with a roadmap to make it as correct as possible by requiring everyone to enter billing details regardless of payment method (which took time to implement).

You think it's quick because it suddenly started happening but these things often have months to years of lead time on working out what is required, building a plan to implement it safely and in a fashion that is reliable, getting legal approval for the plan across all the regions Valve operates and finally actually making the changes to the system to start collecting and using the information.

[AdamxCZE]

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

Publicado originalmente por adam1999x:

But few days Is not it was not mandatory, and now it's mandatory everywhere outside the US, why you talking about years?

Nothing happens instantly. Steam has been adjusting it's system to remit tax for the last couple of years. Initially doing the minimum "let's make sure we remit the tax assuming the basic account details are correct, and most people have billing addresses they've used at least once which helps" with a roadmap to make it as correct as possible by requiring everyone to enter billing details regardless of payment method (which took time to implement).

You think it's quick because it suddenly started happening but these things often have months to years of lead time on working out what is required, building a plan to implement it safely and in a fashion that is reliable, getting legal approval for the plan across all the regions Valve operates and finally actually making the changes to the system to start collecting and using the information.

I see that the law of approval works very well. Just when I wanted to create fifteen fake farm account accounts on tf2.

[Darren]

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

I looked, and you know how it goes with revenues and tax. If payed to much, then the receiver needs to pay back. 15% EU, 21% Netherlands, could be in my favour. Lets see what i bought the last 5 years on which i payed to much.

You are in the Netherlands right? That means it's the higher 21%, if Steam were using the EU rate instead they'd have remitted less than they were supposed to not more and wouldn't owe you anything.

Unless you mean you live somewhere else where it's 15% and you've been paying the 21% quietly without mentioning that it was more than it was supposed to be.

Not that it matters as if Valve remitted too much to the Netherlands, they'd just send an adjustment form to them, and send them less this year so it wouldn't cost Valve anything even if they did owe you anything.

Of course the proof of address you'd have to provide in order to get them to pay you anything would be even more than just filling in this billing address on the form. And if you do actually need to pay the 21% claim you don't and go through with this you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the law again (as attempted tax fraud is still a crime),

[isomorphic_projection]

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

I looked, and you know how it goes with revenues and tax. If payed to much, then the receiver needs to pay back. 15% EU, 21% Netherlands, could be in my favour. Lets see what i bought the last 5 years on which i payed to much.

You are in the Netherlands right? That means it's the higher 21%, if Steam were using the EU rate instead they'd have remitted less than they were supposed to not more and wouldn't owe you anything.

Unless you mean you live somewhere else where it's 15% and you've been paying the 21% quietly without mentioning that it was more than it was supposed to be.

Not that it matters as if Valve remitted too much to the Netherlands, they'd just send an adjustment form to them, and send them less this year so it wouldn't cost Valve anything even if they did owe you anything.

Of course the proof of address you'd have to provide in order to get them to pay you anything would be even more than just filling in this billing address on the form. And if you do actually need to pay the 21% claim you don't and go through with this you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the law again (as attempted tax fraud is still a crime),

I know, thx to my accountant under standard normal supervision of a judge. The EU tax rate lower then that of NL. I'm excaly in favour of a tax refund for the last 5 years. Hear that steam pay up. And hire another tax lawyer. Company's should not get involved in these kind of matters. This is state level, it should be done between states not customers and company's.

[isomorphic_projection]

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

I looked, and you know how it goes with revenues and tax. If payed to much, then the receiver needs to pay back. 15% EU, 21% Netherlands, could be in my favour. Lets see what i bought the last 5 years on which i payed to much.

You are in the Netherlands right? That means it's the higher 21%, if Steam were using the EU rate instead they'd have remitted less than they were supposed to not more and wouldn't owe you anything.

Unless you mean you live somewhere else where it's 15% and you've been paying the 21% quietly without mentioning that it was more than it was supposed to be.

Not that it matters as if Valve remitted too much to the Netherlands, they'd just send an adjustment form to them, and send them less this year so it wouldn't cost Valve anything even if they did owe you anything.

Of course the proof of address you'd have to provide in order to get them to pay you anything would be even more than just filling in this billing address on the form. And if you do actually need to pay the 21% claim you don't and go through with this you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the law again (as attempted tax fraud is still a crime),

Hence the reason i have an accountant. I'm always off the hook.

[AdamxCZE]

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

You are in the Netherlands right? That means it's the higher 21%, if Steam were using the EU rate instead they'd have remitted less than they were supposed to not more and wouldn't owe you anything.

Unless you mean you live somewhere else where it's 15% and you've been paying the 21% quietly without mentioning that it was more than it was supposed to be.

Not that it matters as if Valve remitted too much to the Netherlands, they'd just send an adjustment form to them, and send them less this year so it wouldn't cost Valve anything even if they did owe you anything.

Of course the proof of address you'd have to provide in order to get them to pay you anything would be even more than just filling in this billing address on the form. And if you do actually need to pay the 21% claim you don't and go through with this you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the law again (as attempted tax fraud is still a crime),

I know, thx to my accountant under standard normal supervision of a judge. The EU tax rate lower then that of NL. I'm excaly in favour of a tax refund for the last 5 years. Hear that steam pay up. And hire another tax lawyer. Company's should not get involved in these kind of matters. This is state level, it should be done between states not customers and company's.

If you lying in country Is fraud. If city Is hasn't.

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[Darren]

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

You are in the Netherlands right? That means it's the higher 21%, if Steam were using the EU rate instead they'd have remitted less than they were supposed to not more and wouldn't owe you anything.

Unless you mean you live somewhere else where it's 15% and you've been paying the 21% quietly without mentioning that it was more than it was supposed to be.

Not that it matters as if Valve remitted too much to the Netherlands, they'd just send an adjustment form to them, and send them less this year so it wouldn't cost Valve anything even if they did owe you anything.

Of course the proof of address you'd have to provide in order to get them to pay you anything would be even more than just filling in this billing address on the form. And if you do actually need to pay the 21% claim you don't and go through with this you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the law again (as attempted tax fraud is still a crime),

I know, thx to my accountant under standard normal supervision of a judge. The EU tax rate lower then that of NL. I'm excaly in favour of a tax refund for the last 5 years. Hear that steam pay up. And hire another tax lawyer. Company's should not get involved in these kind of matters. This is state level, it should be done between states not customers and company's.

Talk to your accountant. Maybe she can explain to you just how wrong you are about this since you clearly don't seem to be listening to what I'm saying. I will say again though you'll have to hand over a lot more personal information if you are going to want a tax refund from Valve than filling the billing address in correctly.

Specifically you are going to have to supply your physical residences for at least the last five years (since that's the period you are looking at getting refunded for) along with your name. You'll also have to prove you are who you say you are with actual government issued documentation along with proving those physical residence details (bills, etc).

As soon as you go the legal route everything becomes a lot more messy and privacy goes out the window since the things you want to keep private become the facts under debate as to whether you were over/under-charged tax.

[Darren]

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

You are in the Netherlands right? That means it's the higher 21%, if Steam were using the EU rate instead they'd have remitted less than they were supposed to not more and wouldn't owe you anything.

Unless you mean you live somewhere else where it's 15% and you've been paying the 21% quietly without mentioning that it was more than it was supposed to be.

Not that it matters as if Valve remitted too much to the Netherlands, they'd just send an adjustment form to them, and send them less this year so it wouldn't cost Valve anything even if they did owe you anything.

Of course the proof of address you'd have to provide in order to get them to pay you anything would be even more than just filling in this billing address on the form. And if you do actually need to pay the 21% claim you don't and go through with this you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the law again (as attempted tax fraud is still a crime),

Hence the reason i have an accountant. I'm always off the hook.

No you aren't. You're accountant will attempt to keep you on the right side of the law, and report you themselves if you violate it but they aren't a shield against legal consequences. In the end you are also responsible for every document you submit. That is what you sign agreeing when you sign your tax forms. You do actually read what you sign right?

[isomorphic_projection]

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

I know, thx to my accountant under standard normal supervision of a judge. The EU tax rate lower then that of NL. I'm excaly in favour of a tax refund for the last 5 years. Hear that steam pay up. And hire another tax lawyer. Company's should not get involved in these kind of matters. This is state level, it should be done between states not customers and company's.

Talk to your accountant. Maybe she can explain to you just how wrong you are about this since you clearly don't seem to be listening to what I'm saying. I will say again though you'll have to hand over a lot more personal information if you are going to want a tax refund from Valve than filling the billing address in correctly.

Specifically you are going to have to supply your physical residences for at least the last five years (since that's the period you are looking at getting refunded for) along with your name. You'll also have to prove you are who you say you are with actual government issued documentation along with proving those physical residence details (bills, etc).

As soon as you go the legal route everything becomes a lot more messy and privacy goes out the window since the things you want to keep private become the facts under debate as to whether you were over/under-charged tax.

I have an accountant for that. And more then enough proof.

[isomorphic_projection]

Publicado originalmente por Darren:

Publicado originalmente por isomorphic_projection:

Hence the reason i have an accountant. I'm always off the hook.

No you aren't. You're accountant will attempt to keep you on the right side of the law, and report you themselves if you violate it but they aren't a shield against legal consequences. In the end you are also responsible for every document you submit. That is what you sign agreeing when you sign your tax forms. You do actually read what you sign right?

In my country these accountants are under supervision of tax lawyers and judges. If something is wrong, then i am still of the hook.