How to get my money back? Transaction failed from steam side, but succeeded from CCAvenue and steam has no record
I've been using steam for many years now and have bought many games using prepaid wallet,
Today I was trying to buy dota plus subscription and lemme tell you in steps exactly what happened

- I went to payment portal (CCAvenue through novaplay) selected my prepaid wallet (OLA Money)
- entered the OTP
- got the payment request on my UPI app
- Clicked on pay (didn't enter my UPI PIN yet) and for some reason it kept loading so I went to steam window and clicked on Cancel transaction
- I started a fresh payment process , but for some reason my earlier payment window was still available i.e. the timer was where I left when I clicked on cancel transaction and ticking down
- So I went to the UPI app again and saw that payment request was still there, this time I was able to process the payment.
- The CCAvenue window showed "Transaction successful, redirecting to merchant website"
- I waited for a while but it didn't redirect
- I closed the window since I was sure that payment was already processed (coz it was debited from account and I saw the success message)

But my subscription wasn't active so I went to payment history and saw that there was entry with status as "Pending: luckily, I clicked on "I have a question regarding this payment" right then and added a message for help

later when I went to payment history that pending entry was gone too
So... basically steam wallet doesn't have that money, my subscription isn't done , I have the transaction token from my pre-paid wallet and it was indeed successful so I can't blame them and........ my money is gone!!!

I think it was coz I clicked on cancel transaction once that steam didn;t get that money from that payment gateway on novaplay ? coz cancel transaction option appears in a pop up from steam window I guess, while that novapalay is some external site ??

Whatever the case may be..... I have done loads of transactions with this payment method in past and never faced any issue , but if this money gets lost or I'm stuck following up with customer support at multiple place (steam, my payment wallet or that external payment method) ... I don't feel like buying anything after this.
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crunchyfrog Jan 5, 2021 @ 8:26pm 
First off your money is not gone. It doesn't work like this at all.

When ANY online store uses online payemtns they all go through the same procedure. The vendor's server connects to the payment provider's server and there's a VERY short window for the handshake to go ahead with. It is kept short for security reasons.

The downside of this is when problems occur, the time within a "timeout" or error occurs is far smaller. So we see this a lot over sale periods.

And here's what happens.

The payment is "set aside" from your payment provider (if you're using a third party payment provider this may involve the money leaving your card and going to the other company making the payment). It hasn't actually gone anywhere. Not until the handshake FULLY comes through from the vendor.

If it times out, this doesn't fully go through. But there is a stop-gap. At the end of day procuedures, the data can be sent, correcting this problem. As the money is already "set aside" in your account, that's what it's waiting for.

So, one of two things basically happens.

Either that end of day thing goes through and you'll probably wake tomorrow to find it's all sorted, or your money sits unusable "set aside" for a request that isn't going to come. In which case, it normally takes around 3 working days for it to be freed up againfor you to use.

So you see, your money is not lost.

You have a couple of alteranatives here - you can wait the few days and see if it sorts itself out. Or you can try to ring your card/payment provider to see if they can cancel the attempted payment, which fress up the case almost instantly.

Be warned though - third party payment providers like Ideal, PaysafeCard and the like typically can't do this. But if you have a bank-backed card then you can.

This is why, for the future, if you can use another payment method like a bank-nacked card, you can avoid this happening.
Little spoon Jan 5, 2021 @ 8:59pm 
@crunchyfrog Thanks for your input. I've sent mails everywhere: CCAvenue,OlaMoney and steam. CCAvenue asked for reference number which I didn't note since....I never do coz I already saw the success screen! and I was in-game so I thought .. yea it would take a while may be

I have the transaction id for the wallet -> CCAvenure transaction which I've sent them and the mail that bank sent me. I've attached all the details that I have and sent to their support team.

On the other hand ... steam has NO DETAILS of that transaction at all!!!

From what I understand, when I clicked on "Cancel transaction" apparently, for steam, the transaction just got cancelled and it has a record for it at 10:43 , but due to some reason that window never closed and I was like "meh! may be it didn't cancel afterall" and I just used the request sent by that connection to my wallet for payment and processed it.

So steam is unaware of that since according to steam that session was closed as soon as I clicked on cancel transaction. And that explains why even after transaction, the external window was unable to redirect me back to steam page which shows amount in my steam wallet, since according to steam the transaction was not supposed to happen in the first place.

weird bug :/
crunchyfrog Jan 6, 2021 @ 12:00am 
Originally posted by Little Spoon ʘ‿ʘ:
@crunchyfrog Thanks for your input. I've sent mails everywhere: CCAvenue,OlaMoney and steam. CCAvenue asked for reference number which I didn't note since....I never do coz I already saw the success screen! and I was in-game so I thought .. yea it would take a while may be

I have the transaction id for the wallet -> CCAvenure transaction which I've sent them and the mail that bank sent me. I've attached all the details that I have and sent to their support team.

On the other hand ... steam has NO DETAILS of that transaction at all!!!

From what I understand, when I clicked on "Cancel transaction" apparently, for steam, the transaction just got cancelled and it has a record for it at 10:43 , but due to some reason that window never closed and I was like "meh! may be it didn't cancel afterall" and I just used the request sent by that connection to my wallet for payment and processed it.

So steam is unaware of that since according to steam that session was closed as soon as I clicked on cancel transaction. And that explains why even after transaction, the external window was unable to redirect me back to steam page which shows amount in my steam wallet, since according to steam the transaction was not supposed to happen in the first place.

weird bug :/
Valve WON'T have any details of the transaction. That's the point.

As I said, there's a handshake between the vendor (Valve) and the payment processor (either your bank or the company that the card provider uses). If that handshake fails, the transaction is in limbo and will either get corrected during the night or will free up your money in a few days when it times out.

The point is it's a simple chain. The money is coming FROM your card, via the payments processor TO Valve. If the payment fails, of course Valve aren't going to know - it never reached them as they're on the end of that chain.

This is also why I never said to contact them because it's pointless asking them. Simple reasons being, they can't tell you anything more than you already know. They have no more data than "there's no payment gone through". And furthermore, if you do contact Valve, to get this response it will likely take a few days, by which time the money may well be returned.

Your bug though does seem to be weird but I've seen similar before. It's quite likely that it happened exactly as I've stated and the residual behaviour of this is Steam not working properly because it thinks there's still processes open.

Under such circumstances, I'd reboot windows and start again and see if it fixes.
Last edited by crunchyfrog; Jan 6, 2021 @ 12:02am
Little spoon Jan 6, 2021 @ 3:01am 
@crunchyfrog I shared all details with payment gateway support team and got the refund finally ^_^
crunchyfrog Jan 6, 2021 @ 5:02am 
Originally posted by Little Spoon ʘ‿ʘ:
@crunchyfrog I shared all details with payment gateway support team and got the refund finally ^_^
That's great to hear.

Ofttimes, payment providers aren't always able to release the funds for you and you normally have to wait it out. So it sounds like whoever you use is on the ball.
gabi039 Jan 6, 2021 @ 5:26am 
i dont know
Cathulhu Jan 6, 2021 @ 3:40pm 
Ask your parents.
Or get a job.
Last edited by Cathulhu; Jan 6, 2021 @ 3:40pm
$2 Hero Jan 6, 2021 @ 3:41pm 
Originally posted by syck:
Hello guys,i need a paysafe code with 0.02€,because my paysafe is 4.98€ and for pay i need 5€. Can you help me please?
sell a card
crunchyfrog Jan 6, 2021 @ 3:59pm 
Originally posted by syck:
Hello guys,i need a paysafe code with 0.02€,because my paysafe is 4.98€ and for deposit on steam i need 5€. Can you help me please?
Two things.

Please read the rules here. Becuase you're currently ignoring two of them, namely that of begging and that of spamming.
Little spoon Jan 7, 2021 @ 3:03am 
Originally posted by Cathulhu:
Ask your parents.
Or get a job.
Nope.
I have one :)
crunchyfrog Jan 7, 2021 @ 8:08am 
Originally posted by Little Spoon ʘ‿ʘ:
Originally posted by Cathulhu:
Ask your parents.
Or get a job.
Nope.
I have one :)
Well if you have a job, that's even more disgusting, frankly.

As stated begging doesn't go well on these forums, not least of which because it's dishonest. If you can afford even access to a PC you can afford to buy games, as you can get fine stuff for pennies on here.

Consider this - I'm disabled, and living in Britain. I don't get a lot on disability benefits, but that has been my TOTAL income for over 20 years, all while having a wife and family.

And yet look at my Steam account - how is this possible? Because I am patient.

So sorry, there is absolutely NO recourse for begging at all.
Little spoon Jan 7, 2021 @ 12:36pm 
Originally posted by crunchyfrog:
Originally posted by Little Spoon ʘ‿ʘ:
Nope.
I have one :)
Well if you have a job, that's even more disgusting, frankly.

As stated begging doesn't go well on these forums, not least of which because it's dishonest. If you can afford even access to a PC you can afford to buy games, as you can get fine stuff for pennies on here.

Consider this - I'm disabled, and living in Britain. I don't get a lot on disability benefits, but that has been my TOTAL income for over 20 years, all while having a wife and family.

And yet look at my Steam account - how is this possible? Because I am patient.

So sorry, there is absolutely NO recourse for begging at all.

Excuse me ? When was I begging? I think you confused me with someone else who commented on my post earlier? :/ I don't get it?! I created the post and I didn't beg for anything!!

Oh is it so that I replied to the guy who meant it for someone else who commented on this post? Coz I could see a comment asking for a lil bit of money or something....

Ah! I can see people replying to that guy called syck asking for money, so the comment I replied to with "I have job" wasn't targeted at me.but syck

Nvm... I'm out of it 😹 tbh the issue is resolved so I might as well delete the post coz it's inviting unnecessary conversations it seems
Last edited by Little spoon; Jan 7, 2021 @ 12:39pm
juliangarcia Jan 7, 2021 @ 12:48pm 
I have a similar situation. I'm not trying to get a refund (yet). Just trying to figure out why my purchase doesn't show in my history and my Library. On Nov 26 I purchased a Song Pack for Rocksmith. Then on Dec 25 I purchased a song. (Both are DCL). The Dec purchase shows in both the library and the purchase history but the Nov purchase does not. Any suggestions?
crunchyfrog Jan 7, 2021 @ 5:29pm 
Originally posted by Little Spoon ʘ‿ʘ:
Originally posted by crunchyfrog:
Well if you have a job, that's even more disgusting, frankly.

As stated begging doesn't go well on these forums, not least of which because it's dishonest. If you can afford even access to a PC you can afford to buy games, as you can get fine stuff for pennies on here.

Consider this - I'm disabled, and living in Britain. I don't get a lot on disability benefits, but that has been my TOTAL income for over 20 years, all while having a wife and family.

And yet look at my Steam account - how is this possible? Because I am patient.

So sorry, there is absolutely NO recourse for begging at all.

Excuse me ? When was I begging? I think you confused me with someone else who commented on my post earlier? :/ I don't get it?! I created the post and I didn't beg for anything!!

Oh is it so that I replied to the guy who meant it for someone else who commented on this post? Coz I could see a comment asking for a lil bit of money or something....

Ah! I can see people replying to that guy called syck asking for money, so the comment I replied to with "I have job" wasn't targeted at me.but syck

Nvm... I'm out of it 😹 tbh the issue is resolved so I might as well delete the post coz it's inviting unnecessary conversations it seems
My apologies for that. I posted on what I thought was another thread.



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