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DennisDennis 11 Ιαν 2018, 21:49
Too many cheaters, Gaben stop swimming in ur swimming pool of skins cash and do something
Im currently playing wingman with my buddy and 1/3 of the matches are blatant cheaters on. They prefire every possible angle, kills us through walls only and is blatantly hacking...

Why cant noob Gaben get his big frame out of his office chair and do something to improve VAC. ESEA and Faceit have a miniscule portion of the income stream that valve gets from CSGO, yet their anticheat is 10 times better.

Why is valve """"""devs""""" not working on this???
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Just like our claim that VAC is ineffective is not valid as an argument to you, your claim that money is irrelevant to a cheater or the average cheater, won't be for us.
Problem is, your claim that it is 'ineffective' is absolutly incorrect.

There can be many bans aswell as an ineffective tool giving the bans. These are not mutually exclusive.
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The Giving One 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:27 
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από dennish:
"Valve you need to improve the anticheat theres too many cheaters"
-The Giving One
Then play another game
Valve, please do something ! The cheating !

Valve "what would you like us to do exactly ?"

dennish *crickets chirping*
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DennisDennis 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:28 
VAC is supposed to detect cheats and ban them. Improve the software. You mean to tell me that a state of the art anticheat cant catch spinbotters?
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The Giving One 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:29 
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από dennish:
VAC is supposed to detect cheats and ban them. Improve the software. You mean to tell me that a state of the art anticheat cant catch spinbotters?
It does that already. I have expained that to you. VAC bans are delayed.
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DennisDennis 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:32 
Then give users an option to play with an alternative aggressive anticheat system. Players dont care if the users get caught weeks or months after the match where he cheated. If the anticheat is supposed to work like that its flawed.
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Beard 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:34 
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No, I'm going to ask for better solutions instead.
Or, post exactly what those are, in the forum where they may be best benefited from. This is help and tips...for things we can actually "help" you with.

Maybe a helpful moderator can move the thread. There has already been suggestions here, FYI.
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DennisDennis 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:34 
Situation:

You play 5 games, all with cheaters. You derank or whatever and waste your time for 5 games. But dont worry! State of the art VAC will get the cheaters banned a few weeks afterwards.

Do you see how that isnt really good enough?
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The Giving One 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:35 
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από dennish:
Then give users an option to play with an alternative aggressive anticheat system. Players dont care if the users get caught weeks or months after the match where he cheated. If the anticheat is supposed to work like that its flawed.
But you agreed to how things work now, remember ?

http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

Their Steam, their rules, their anticheat. They feel that banning more cheaters and fighting against cheat development with delayed bans is more effective in the long run and to catch more of them.
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Beard 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:38 
Sure, I "agreed" to that. So what, I can't change my mind? I can't ask of them to change their mind? Just because something is law, it is just? Are your level of integrity really that low?
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DennisDennis 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:38 
Yeah, sure, their rules. I can't force them to do anything. Im only saying that im getting frustrated over playing with so many cheaters. If they want their game to be flooded with hackers, then they will do so I guess.
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The Giving One 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:40 
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από dennish:
Situation:

You play 5 games, all with cheaters. You derank or whatever and waste your time for 5 games. But dont worry! State of the art VAC will get the cheaters banned a few weeks afterwards.

Do you see how that isnt really good enough?
It's not good enough for 'you' maybe, but it is good for everyone as a whole and the company, too.

More bans with fewer false positives, remember ? That is how VAC works, and it is not flawed. It is working exactly as intended.

VAC is delayed to fight cheat development and playtesting of cheats. And so there are fewer, if any , false bans.

Instant bans produce too many false positives. I have said that already. And then, people know what was detected. That is "flawed", not VAC.
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Beard 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:40 
Guess there's nothing to do about all that womens-inequality in the midwest, ey? I mean, that's how things are there right now, and it doesn't make sense to voice your opinion because you don't decide.
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DennisDennis 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:41 
Ok, so you speak for everyone and Valve, nice. I only speak for myself. But you apparently know everything about everything.
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Beard 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:42 
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Instant bans produce too many false positives. I have said that already. And then, people know what was detected. That is "flawed", not VAC.

You can have both VAC and some of the alternatives given here. VAC can work its usual slow and "safe" way, if it takes a lot longer for that cheating spinbot to reach my rank. Or even be able to play competitive.
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The Giving One 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:43 
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Ok, so you speak for everyone and Valve, nice. I only speak for myself. But you apparently know everything about everything.
No, I don't know everything. And I don't speak for everyone. I am having a discussion. If you don't like my points, then dispute them with facts or your points.

That is how a discussion works. If you want a place where only you get to post, then start a blog.
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DennisDennis 11 Ιαν 2018, 23:48 
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από The Giving One:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από dennish:
Situation:

You play 5 games, all with cheaters. You derank or whatever and waste your time for 5 games. But dont worry! State of the art VAC will get the cheaters banned a few weeks afterwards.

Do you see how that isnt really good enough?
It's not good enough for 'you' maybe, but it is good for everyone as a whole and the company, too.

What is that supposed to mean? Dont say something like that, thats just stupid.



More bans with fewer false positives, remember ? That is how VAC works, and it is not flawed. It is working exactly as intended.

In my eyes as a CSGO player if a good percentage of my games are ruined by cheaters, then the system isnt good enough. I join a competitive 5v5 or 2v2 to have fun or get better, and with cheaters the whole game just gets ruined.

VAC is delayed to fight cheat development and playtesting of cheats. And so there are fewer, if any , false bans.

Ok, few false bans with VAC.

Instant bans produce too many false positives. I have said that already. And then, people know what was detected. That is "flawed", not VAC.

From where do you get this? What are your sources on this.
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