Steam, can you unlock all game we posesses into store shop, please?

[SimonaK]

If I search a game and I dont find it : the cause is only Steam who decide do not put it. that's it... as a hypocrite.

So, stop to make your big genius and give us the access for ALL GAMES we have in our library, whatever if you have a conflict with the devs (its not our trouble) or even if the game no longer exist in your store... or even if dev doesnt want of the store point (I don't never believe it)

So, stop your stupid cupidity or pride or whatever and unlock all the game we posseses.

THANKS

[nullable]

Someone's imagination has run wild with all sorts of random assumptions...

[Snapjak]

Steam does not promote or demote specific games unless they completely de-list and stop doing all business with the devs.

[Snapjak]

Not all games are on the points store. Devs have to opt into it, and not all have.

Plus games that are feature limited probably won't show up until they meet the threshhold.

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SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

All of that, it's not the problem to us, right?

It's not a user problem. But that doesn't mean there's no problem. IE say EA doesn't want it's games in the point store? But you do? Well they're EA's games, not yours or Steam's. And Steam can't just do whatever it wants. EA is a customer of Steam just like you are. Different types of customers and Steam needs to work with both and manages different concerns between types of customers.

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

Store point is a feature allows to create items from games we has buy. ok? so, I've a full of game that cannot be found there..... no big deal understand the why.

Some games aren't added yet, and some games never will be. The reasons for this can be many. It's probably not malice. Or whatever trivial, petty, arbitrary narrative you're imagining.

[nullable]

Well Steam would need permission to use that IP and possible affect Community Market revenue. Opting in would be giving permission and absolve Steam from having to hunt down contacts for hundreds of developers or publishers for permission. Opting in means everyone who cares can be involved, and everyone who doesn't care doesn't need to be bothered with.

Aside from that if a developer doesn't want to participate they don't need a reason. People forget that , "No." is a complete answer.

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

If this is not malice or whatever.... I would like for each game , know the specific reason.... its the minimum...it seems to me

You can feel that way. But that's not realistic and it's not going to happen. No one needs to satisfy you.

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

Im sure that none a dev has refuse to integrate the store point... I just cannot imagine a good reason to refuse.

They don't need a good reason. They can just choose not to participate or never opt in. You're not owed a good reason or any reason. Not every decision or lack of one needs to be rationalized for your benefit.

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SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

listen, its just my intuition.... but I continuous to think that devs don't give a damn to store point.

Which is their prerogative, they still have rights over their IP though.

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

We can forget money or profit a moment? Items from store point are locked to the account... and sale from market, you think the devs touch redevance for? big big fortune, wooow...come wallpaper....emoticone...etc etc ....rubbish, tiny business

Why, it's a valid point in this whole points system thing. And potentially something a dev can consider in weighing their options. I mean you want "reasons". And for some games whose items are being bought and sold thousands of times a day that starts to add up into real money pretty quick. Whether or or not a developer cares about that and to what degree is their business, like it or not.

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SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

What the utility of the store point if the games we want are not there.

There's not a single game on the point store that you want items for? In that case there's no utility for you. But you're also in a insignificant minority. And that would fall under, "well, you can't please everyone."

[nullable]

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

Thanks to discuss of all that with me.

Yes, I have some frustrations... I have really the impression to be just a pawn who buy who consummate, who fill Steam pockets.

I demand to Steam the ability to remove any items from my inventory, he doesn't act.
I want such game or such game into store point, they are not there....

and I' sure that Steam has really the power to act. But he calculate something I don't catch.. probably something about cash and profit...

Sure sometimes. I mean for example... deleting items from inventory. Sounds simple. But hey I "accidentally" deleted an item. So you need a whole recovery system. And so on. Simple sounding requests are often more complex than the requester realizes. Software developers need to be careful and proactive to avoid chaos. Users are very reactive. they want things, their way, right now, and they don't care about the consequences that they haven't thought of or don't think will affect them.

And it costs money in developer time to add those features, and if there's no real benefit, just some OCD user whim... is it really worth doing? You might say yes to everything you want every day and twice on Sunday. But your concerns aren't the only concerns Valve needs to consider, they have their own to you know...

[crunchyfrog]

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

They don't need a good reason. They can just choose not to participate or never opt in. You're not owed a good reason or any reason. Not every decision or lack of one needs to be rationalized for your benefit.

Concerning customer satisfaction you are a big zero!

I'm not alone with it. But Steam acts often as a monarchy.

You are woefully confused about how this all works.

As others have already said, it is NOT down to Valve to add games twith certain features like the stickers, backgrounds and so on.

WE KNOW this because of how IP law works. Valve CANNOT force terms on something they do not own. SO they CANNOT say "Hey, you know your game there - we want to do this with it".

Because the IP owner holds ALL the rights to that game, not Valve.

You need to learn how these things work before making daft assumptions because you're woefully wrong.

[crunchyfrog]

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

I think you are a big naive.

Who has invented wallpaper et emoticone about game into steam? Steam.

I don't know clauses of contract between Steam and dev about wallpaper and emoticone ..rights.... and you don't too.

Steam doent modify the game integrity.

I'm talking only about some IP clauses only concerning Steam item.

I guess that: participate or no that's it..... in fact, Steam would like that all dev participate.... I don't understand the opposite.

and what's the hell a dev dont will want to participate (except for lack of money)

For Steam, participation is a privilege, not a right.

"you agree to participate? yes you smart.. now this is what you have to do and don't otherwise "

Steam is omnipotent but he preferes you think that no.

No Valve have NOT invented THAT. The IP owners have ALL the say, that included the artworks and stuff. THEY provide it. NOt Valve.


You don't understand how this works at all. Yes, Valve's store and Valve's invention - the new emphemera store. BUt they CANNOT force rights holders to do anything.

That would be against every foundation of western law there is.

You don't get to argue something that you don't understand and is bizarre.

[PanieCASE.GIFTCSGOSKINS]

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SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

What the utility of the store point if the games we want are not there.

There's not a single game on the point store that you want items for? In that case there's no utility for you. But you're also in a insignificant minority. And that would fall under, "well, you can't please everyone."

[crunchyfrog]

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

No Valve have NOT invented THAT. The IP owners have ALL the say, that included the artworks and stuff. THEY provide it. NOt Valve.


You don't understand how this works at all. Yes, Valve's store and Valve's invention - the new emphemera store. BUt they CANNOT force rights holders to do anything.

That would be against every foundation of western law there is.

You don't get to argue something that you don't understand and is bizarre.

The picture into the Wallpaper provides from dev.

The idea to get Wallpaper, buying, trading of.... came from Steam.

Yes, but the bit you're not getting is WHO gets to say whether they are created or included. It's NOT Valve.

Think of it this way.

YOU create a product or even a game. You wish to sell it, as it's your entire work and you're proud of it.

You strike a deal with a store. They take a 10% cut, say, and they sell as many as they can handle.

All good, right?

How would you feel if they then turned round and said Hey, here's your take but it's half of what we agreed upon because we decided to have a 50% off sale on your behalf".

You'd rightly go ballistic because YOU OWN THE RIGHTS TO EVERYTHING.

Do you see now?

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

Not all games are on the points store.

nooo? really??? you just to learn that to me......

Devs have to opt into it, and not all have.

Oh well, you know this how? devs was tell it to you? give me your origin of your information.
And what the reason for a dev to refuse? "no i dont want that the player of my game have the item from this new feature". ..... too ridiculous

Plus games that are feature limited probably won't show up until they meet the threshhold.

maybe...maybe..and why not. But it's absolutely not my case.

Devs literally have to opt into all the features available to them on steam.

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

Dude,

First, Steam take 30%

Second, you go too far in the subject.

All i said is that Steam is big ham who preferes see me frustrated instead of let me remove his ugly stickers from my inventory.

Because for Steam, it's not my inventory but the theirs.

If I'm little dev then I'm to mercy of Steam because I will really need of him.
and I should be nice to him.

Suppose that Steam has none of power to put such game into store point,,Let's suppose.
then why does not explain to us the why?
"Sorry this game is unvailable because this or that" whatever......

too hard maybe.... but especially too hurts.

They were providing an example not a "THIS IS HOW IT IS" statement. Calm your horses.

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SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

Not complicated:

If a game is unvailable from store point, explain why. for each game.

• Decided not to opt in.
  
• Hasn't opt in yet.

Pick one for any case. Steam won't know the reason for each developer. And Steam won't compel developers to specify. So while it may be "not complicated" it's also "not gonna happen".

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SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

First sale day.... the filter not find it.
Second sale day.... the filter find it!!!!!
Third...... filter don't show it anymore again

Also, you can find in forum, some thread about people who seen some thier store point item be removed in the second and third day....
without explanation.

What's happened?

Nothing apart from Steam which is seriously messing around.....

This is probably just an error where Steam wasn't filtering out unapproved games properly. Same thing happened to Transformers: Devastation which when I heard there was point store stuff for that I was interesting into seeing what sort of knick-knacks I could get. But seeing as the game hasn't been available on Steam in years finding out it was also removed from the point store gone told me it was probably an error it was included at all.

Mistakes happen. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. I mean I write business software all day long and sometimes you write some code and you're sure it works and you forgot to test some obvious thing and you bring shame upon your family name for several minutes. And then you fix it and promise you'll never make that mistake again, and this time you really mean it...

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

okay... you give me 2 reasons...

Decided not to opt in.
Hasn't opt in yet.

But, apparently, there is a third reason....(this that Steam fired the dev)

So they never opted in and the items shouldn't have been on the point store, as described above.

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

But all this is big poop for me...

What is my rights as user? as buyer?

In this case, none. As in you have no rights to buy something with points that isn't authorized to be available on the port store, no matter how you really really want it.

SimonaK님이 먼저 게시:

In fact, I understand I've nothing.

I decide where spent point, but I cannot exige where I want spent.

Right, you can only buy what's available. Not just anything you want...