Define “Naming and Shaming”?

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Frog 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:03

Define “Naming and Shaming”?

I’ve always assumed naming and shaming referred to posting profile links, or explicitly calling someone something that may or may not be true, but lately it’s been crazy how strict support has been to some forum regulars about it, me included. There is no explicit definition on any forum, it just gives a general concept and doesn’t say what is and isn’t allowed.

Can someone please give me a more comprehensive definition of “naming and shaming”, so I know if my warnings and bans I have received for it are deserved, or false?

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I’ve always assumed naming and shaming referred to posting profile links, or explicitly calling someone something that may or may not be true, but lately it’s been crazy how strict support has been to some forum regulars about it, me included. There is no explicit definition on any forum, it just gives a general concept and doesn’t say what is and isn’t allowed.

Can someone please give me a more comprehensive definition of “naming and shaming”, so I know if my warnings and bans I have received for it are deserved, or false?

You named the user in the screenshot.

Naming and shaming is self explanatory. You identified the user in a way that shames them. Just because you didn't type their name or link to their profile does not mean you did not name them.

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Cathulhu 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:04

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=848934862

76561198922669705 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:06

Muppet among Puppets 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:10

What happened, as general examples?

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:10

Also...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=961168214

And... https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/1621726179584510041/

Sidst redigeret af cSg|mc-Hotsauce; 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:13

Frog 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:18

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=848934862

Thanks for this guide.

“Naming & Shaming, or abbreviated as "N&S" is the term of when you post someone's profile URL / ID on a forum or any public board / area.”

The first time I was banned for this, it was for posting the discussion owner’s profile on their own name and shame discussion, as an example to not name and shame. I told him that posting profiles won’t do any good because it can be false, and I was banned for naming and shaming. The OP didn’t get banned, and my ban was not lifted.

The second time, I was banned for posting my own profile and calling myself a cheater as a joke. This is the only one that was lifted.

The third time is probably the most controversial. I made a discussion, since I had a brainiac moment combatting a scammer, and thought it was really funny. Basically, the scammer made a bunch of posts in the general CS:GO forum saying to add him for a trade, but every time I caught on and called him a scammer. He would delete the posts directly after someone would post, so people wouldn’t report him. Eventually, he got smart and made a post in the trading forum, and locked it immediately so no one could post. But I made a post directly above it, called “The post below this is a scammer”. I thought this was really funny so I screenshotted the two discussions on top of each other without opening them. I made a post, referring to the scammer as “he” and “the scammer”, making sure to not mention his name. However, I was still banned for name and shame because I’d assume his name showed under the discussion he made. However, I looked up his name, and there were 1600 people with the same name, so there is no way to determine which one it is. Steam Support responded that the ban was correct because my post contained “offensive content”. The scammer is still not banned, and I saw him posting his scam discussions earlier today.

Let me know your opinions on these!

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:19

Reply to the ban messages.

If no replies, contact support through the link within the ban messages.

Frog 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:20

Oprindeligt skrevet af cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Reply to the ban messages.

If no replies, contact support through the link within the ban messages.

:qr:

They were all from Support so I sent a ticket, and only the second of my situations was dealt with properly.

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:21

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Reply to the ban messages.

If no replies, contact support through the link within the ban messages.

They were all from Support so I sent a ticket, and only the second of my situations was dealt with properly.

You say "properly" but that is not how support sees it as.

Frog 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:22

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They were all from Support so I sent a ticket, and only the second of my situations was dealt with properly.

You say "properly" but that is not how support sees it as.

:qr:

I mean properly because they were one day bans and it took longer than one day on the first one, and didn’t give me a reason for why the ban would stay on the third one.

What really annoys me about the first one is that they told me that since the ban expired they can’t help, but because of that, it was on my record so any future bans would have been worse.

Sidst redigeret af Frog; 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:24

Count_Dandyman 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:28

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You say "properly" but that is not how support sees it as.

:qr:
I mean properly because they were one day bans and it took longer than one day on the first one, and didn’t give me a reason for why the ban would stay on the third one.

What really annoys me about the first one is that they told me that since the ban expired they can’t help, but because of that, it was on my record so any future bans would have been worse.

repeatedly breaking the rules leads to longer bans

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Muppet among Puppets 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:28

Next time warn without name or reference.

A ban not always means its justified though.

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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:29

Each warning and ban is taken into consideration for future warnings/bans and the duration may increase.

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Frog 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:30

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I mean properly because they were one day bans and it took longer than one day on the first one, and didn’t give me a reason for why the ban would stay on the third one.

What really annoys me about the first one is that they told me that since the ban expired they can’t help, but because of that, it was on my record so any future bans would have been worse.
repeatedly breaking the rules leads to longer bans

I know that, and that’s why it bothers me that it took them longer than a day to respond to my first ban. If it weren’t for that, it may have been lifted and I would have maybe not gotten a ban for the next offense.

They have all been 1 day though.

Sidst redigeret af Frog; 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:30

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Count_Dandyman 20. feb. 2019 kl. 9:33

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repeatedly breaking the rules leads to longer bans
I know that, and that’s why it bothers me that it took them longer than a day to respond to my first ban. If it weren’t for that, it may have been lifted and I would have maybe not gotten a ban for the next offense.

They have all been 1 day though.

Best advice stop trying to game the system and rule lawyer your way around it and just stop doing it instead because this is a fight you won't win.

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