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So removing or having it is not only abut the user that has it, but all the community
There's no "on your own risk" for you to offer up since hijacked items wouldn't be returned anyway even if you're protected.
i never lost a single item.
keep yout windows, linux or OS up to date
keep your virusprogram up to date (I advice panda (free) or kaspersky (40 euro per 3 years))
do not allow windows to save your passwords and inlogdata
do not use IE as your browser
do set your browser on delited cookies and formdata ever time you close your browser.
set your pc on doing diagnostics regulairly.
do not click suspicious links
if people not do this.. I have no merci for them, and steam should not protect people against that kind of stupididy.
I dispise smartphones, I have a 6000 euro pc, but I deliberatly evade them.
I like my gaming, but I see what kind of freaks people with smartphones get, they cannot even enjoy a social gathering or romantic meal without those darn things.
I ban them out of pricinple, and so do many around me.
that's strange.. my bank at least checks if my security messueres are in order, as 97% of all theft happens because they are not, in the 3% casesn that happen with all the right security options, you get your money back.
but even so, I admit that not having it may remove a layer of security, but shoudl adding that layer for people affraid of loosing stuff than not be an opt in.. instead of being forced.
It effects the community not only the user that fall for it, its not abut protecting one user, its abut protecting all the community
Also you can do all that well done, there many users out there that are not so in the known abut security and so on
And Valve cant know who is who, so you ether let it be, and let all the community suffer for it, or you protect them get some extra points on been nice, and getting some of the community a little annoyed, while you get all the community to suffer less over all (+ You keep your profits higher)
the same security feature would be served with an sms service. that would NOT be able to gather that much bigdata.
And They already added the "email notification" layer... no need to add two layers not even my freaking bank does that.
-I would say let it be, pc gamers should be smart nerds anyway.. and steam should be there for pc gaming, so if you not do these things what have you to do in pc gaming anyway?
about those profits -> not care for those much,
It mostly boiled down to to many complaining people making steam support overworked.
(they could care less about those items)
that problem could have been solved by a less intrusive method.
And I can imagine how this limitation also lowers the number of items sold on the markets and as such lowers profits too.
Why is your bank dose not do it? and my bank also dose not do it, dose not mean i am happy abut them not doing it, yet asking me to change password every second week, with so hard to remember rules i most times just give up and recover it when ever i need it
So PC gaming needs to only be for users that know every thing abut the net? sounds like a great bright coming to that, i mean who needs a big mass of users that can get more profit, meaning its more worth to make games to the system.. o wait..
Did not understand the last part of your post, but il say that having items scum means all the market loses on the value of items, over all i assume that is a lost, or Valve will have not try so hard to take care of it, remember they after all likely have access to all that data we don't
my online banking has a protected surrounding that starts up whenever it launches.
after that first line it has a password and a login name (and I am forced to chance the password every 3 months)
finally to make any transfer I need to enter a code that I can
A get by SMS if I so want too and is only valid for a few seconds
B get from a fysical list they send by mail and replace from time to time.
On top of that invisible for me, they track locatio of my pc, if I acces from any pc outside of my normal living area, they will call me in person and block the transaction until I confirmed or denied.
(say somebody tries to use my account from a pc in poland.. that would be suspicious)
Should i get victem of theft, if I did all things they ordered I get full refund, if I did not, not, simple as that. And it very rarely happens because the bank mostly has spend fortunes on that secured envirement and autmatic detection system that are no bother to the end user.
In this case there is NO use for an app.
-one must already be able to log in somebody's account to send a trade order.
But I grand that only a layer of password and login name, could case problems, especially without proper defensive layers, so having a second layer, can matter, though it goes about pennies here, not about acces to your entire savings account.
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(risking a steam account with 100 euro of tradable items and 1000 euro worth of games is not as bad as lossing your lives savings)
But ok I get it they added a second layer, there would be however no reason for it to be JUST the email layer.
(that would require somebody to have acces to both the steam account login data AND the email account login data)
An sms layer would to me be infringing to much on my privacy.
Even if I had a smartphone I would still protest against this for that reason.
Like you said they know already to much.
-you say anyone can send an sms? if you would be required to enter say a 10 digit code send to your sms as you make the trade, and type in that code as you trade, I'd say that would work just as well as the banks system, without the privacy infringing.
1 I am pro gaming, not pro-gaming studio.
A larger amount of money spend on gaming and higher profits made by studio's does not make better games.
Think music, one will not grow rich being in the national phiharmonic but be a 100 times better artist than the pop artists that make millions, trash sells better, sad fact.
As such the argument that "it makes valve more or less money" for me is no argument. For me it's about how it influences the quality of gaming.
Did gem making do any good? nope, it destroys a lot of items, increasing prices and this profits for valve. Meaning less people have acces to those goods (less real wealth) while spending more to get them, and while that also means those only selling them will get a few more cents for their goods, the most profit for that goes to steam.
it's like house prices, while a few may profit from their valuable house when selling, for the market as a whole low prices are best, and only the banks like high prices.
If you remove peoples ability to trade amongst eachother that will perhaps force some of them to make a few more market transactions, and that means more cash for valve while ruining those players experience.
and as a player I oppose that kind of "milking"
also milking players privacy (big data is the new oil) is a thing I frown upon, if you look into steam code and how much you have to toss out to not be spied upon, I don't excpect their steam app to be much less data-collecting than that.
-if I have to give up something that has market value (privacy) at least offer me a realistic value for it, and be straight about it. I not like this sneaky crap, for believe me valve will sell that kind of data to third party's.
And valve could care less about people getting scammed, lets be fair, scammers sell items cheap = more sales = more profit for steam. And since people already spend money, not their problem. Only when people start walking away and they start lossing revenue it becomes a problem, but reality, all the complaining about hacking inspite, profits were fine.
No the problem for steam was in steam support.
A lot of the complains in steam support were about hacked items/accounts.
that was the main reason it was so unaccesable.
And since steam support means employees working, that means more steam support tickets = less profit for steam.
If this system has lowered those hacks (and I suppose it has even though I have no numbers on it) it means less steam support tickets, aka less steam support employees required, aka less wage expenses.
nevertheless like I said for me it is not about steams profit, and you say the general player base.
Well I want most of the player base gone, back to gaming as it used to be, aka get rid of the "pop-ularization of gaming"
you say a few old geeks like me have to suffer because of the legions of the dumb, thats essentially telling you sacrifice the real gamers than made pc gaming great for the fake ones.
A very profitable vieuwpoint I suppose but not one of a true gamer.
But even with the common steam user in mind, most do not own hundreds of euro's of items, most have a few cards a few emoticons.
if your worth hacking (and spend some money or are a steam trader) should you not also have some basic computer skills?. They should have spend it on a few more programming lessons or an it guy to make their rig in order.
Sacrificing the entire community for that minority with more money than brains is a bad move.
But both of those are opinions : I am prepared to sacrificed the masses for an other minority than you though.
but even if, this smartphone app this is excessive and privaty infringing and not neccecairy for the desired result. (unless that result is collecting big data...)
except Valve kinda doesnt think this way
yep here comes tinfoil hats conspiracy with valve apparently profiitng off scammers
Valve isnt the only company having implemented two step authentifications, Blizzard also has it, GOg as well but oddly enough those people arent howling that much about it.
not having the desired results? dunno about you, but i have seen many cases post5ed in the forums where the hijacked persons inventory could have been safe if they had the authentification on.
what comes about datamining: Valve doesnt gets any more info they wouldnt have already by your billing info. If it makes you feel any better, the NSA and your ISP provider have significantly personal data of yours than Valve would ever do.
Would be awesome if people would finally understand that this isnt about one person but about protecting the community, moreso protecting people who dont know any better from thesemlves.
if you think they are in the wrong, thats fine. But the system is unlikely to be changed, no matter how many times people feel the need to resurrect a dead horse again and again.
Although truth be told seeing the market would be probably the better solution so that people wont have something to constantly complain about.
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The NSA is not allowed to operate in europe (though I admit for sure they try)
and my provider is not allowed to share that information not even to the police.
(this is europe, not usa)
-and I admit using a proxi does help too, but those are personal methods.
Valve would get more info than they have now. For starters is it totally possible they HAVE no billing info.
if one only buys retail games in cash and only registrate them at steam, no way for steam to know who you are.
And even if billed, who is to say who pais the bill is the same person as the one using the account?
Also mobile phone numbers in itself are information they now not have, and for callcenters that might be very valueble information.
But ok going on from there, what steam does not know is your routine, the other apps you might be using, what other non steam games you might be playing, what friends are in your contactlist, what location you are now, etc etc.
There is tons of data to be mined from somebody's smartphone, (and like I said there is already a lot of this nasty backdoor software in steam itsel, though it can be removed if you know how, it sure won't make you liked)
you say the comminity, well I understand the desire for a second layer of authentication.
just not if that layer is an mobile app.
WoW uses an authenticator -> a fysical device one can purchase in store for 4.95 and than link to your account (oh and it's OPTIONAL) I know I have one right here
works fine without giving away personal information.
Banks use ideal codes, that either work like WoW's system, have fysical lists that are send to you by snailmail or have to be picked up with your passport at your local bankoffice, or by sending you an sms.
It IS possible to instal an online banking app on your cellphone, but you would still get the authenticator code by sms, and using that app is entirely optional.
None of these require a smartphone service, as not all people HAVE a smartphone.
And none does require acces to that much personal data.
My point here is : a second layer of authentication i get.
Forcing that layer upon people not.
And having the only option being a option that excludes those users not owning smartphones, also not.
honestly trading was never the main feature of steam than being a gaming platform
its forced upon people because optional security methods failed so far