I am curious about multiplayer cheaters.

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Aceblade 2017年3月7日 21時47分

Hello, as the title says, why do people cheat in multiplayer games? They bring nothing but frustration and anger to the match. Sure there are other toxic players, but at least they don't cheat. I want to know what drives them to cheat on multiplayer games, despration, losing way too many times, or even just pure rage?

Now, there are cheaters who actually make a game fun to play, but those are super rare to encounter, like an extremely rare item in an MMO.

So with that in mind, any opinions on the subject?

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alreev 2017年3月7日 22時06分

Most stuff you mentioned are one of the reasons why. But in some cases, it could be because:

1. Attention seeking.
2. They're bored with the game, they had enough so they want to ban themselves.

This is actually a thing in a rhythm game that I play. Lots of top players banned themselves for such reasons.

lilcoffeebean 2017年3月7日 23時53分

People cheat in all aspects of life, whether it's work, sports, game's, etc. There's not going to be a one size fits all answer, because the motivation varies. It is usually for gain though, whether it be money, prestige (perceived or real), enjoyment etc.

Enjoyment may sound strange, but there are people out there who take joy in ruining another's experience or causing another frustration. And a sense of joy out of getting revenge over someone who outskills you, even if it required cheating. I imagine you'll even find people who do it simply just to see if they can get away with it as well.

Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder 2017年3月8日 0時31分

Because generally winning is more fun than losing. In most computer games the player is far stronger than multiple AI opponents and cheat modes replicate that dominance. There's a greater incentive where winning brings rewards with a monetary value. Some CS:GO weapon skins are worth a month's salary in certain parts of the world.

On the other side it's demoralising and puts people off the game which is why publishers and Steam need to be far more aggressive in combating cheats. It's not enough to merely ban cheats - they need to be tracking down and prosecuting (unauthorised interference with a computer programme is a criminal offence) and suing the people and sites who are selling and distributing them.

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Bartek 2017年3月8日 1時07分

Aceblade の投稿を引用：
Hello, as the title says, why do people cheat in multiplayer games? They bring nothing but frustration and anger to the match. Sure there are other toxic players, but at least they don't cheat. I want to know what drives them to cheat on multiplayer games, despration, losing way too many times, or even just pure rage?

Now, there are cheaters who actually make a game fun to play, but those are super rare to encounter, like an extremely rare item in an MMO.

So with that in mind, any opinions on the subject?

lilcoffeebean 2017年3月8日 1時32分

gallifrey の投稿を引用：
On the other side it's demoralising and puts people off the game which is why publishers and Steam need to be far more aggressive in combating cheats. It's not enough to merely ban cheats - they need to be tracking down and prosecuting (unauthorised interference with a computer programme is a criminal offence) and suing the people and sites who are selling and distributing them.

S.x.

While I don't think cheating should be a criminal matter, I certainly can see a case for civil, but it's just not worth going after people on the individual level.

Distributors on the other hand have been successfully taken to court. Riot and Blizzard have both won cases in this area in the last two years, so there's certainly precedent.. In the case of Riot they were awarded $10 million even, albeit that case invlolved more than just the tool being distributed for cheating.

Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder 2017年3月8日 1時42分

lilcoffeebean の投稿を引用：
gallifrey の投稿を引用：
On the other side it's demoralising and puts people off the game which is why publishers and Steam need to be far more aggressive in combating cheats. It's not enough to merely ban cheats - they need to be tracking down and prosecuting (unauthorised interference with a computer programme is a criminal offence) and suing the people and sites who are selling and distributing them.

S.x.

While I don't think cheating should be a criminal matter, I certainly can see a case for civil, but it's just not worth going after people on the individual level.

Distributors on the other hand have been successfully taken to court. Riot and Blizzard have both won cases in this area in the last two years, so there's certainly precedent.. In the case of Riot they were awarded $10 million even, albeit that case invlolved more than just the tool being distributed for cheating.

Someone in the UK went to jail for hacking, Call of Duty 4 I think, and crashing the servers at launch.

S.x.

B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t 2017年3月8日 1時43分

You haven't hit on the group of people that are bored of games they are already good at and want to test and see if they can get away with cheating and I'm not talking about weekend warrior or leech hacker that dl a bot, cham, wh, script, modded .dll, ect. I'm talking about those that make their own and see if they get caught. I know a hand full of people that do this for fun.

But most the time it's some little 12 year old that thinks it's k00l to cheat and think they won't get caught.

最近の変更はB l u e b e r r y P o p t a r tが行いました; 2017年3月8日 1時45分

Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder 2017年3月8日 1時56分

B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t の投稿を引用：
You haven't hit on the group of people that are bored of games they are already good at and want to test and see if they can get away with cheating and I'm not talking about weekend warrior or leech hacker that dl a bot, cham, wh, script, modded .dll, ect. I'm talking about those that make their own and see if they get caught. I know a hand full of people that do this for fun.

But most the time it's some little 12 year old that thinks it's k00l to cheat and think they won't get caught.

Looking at the ban list on TF 2 I think it was endemic through a large section of the player base. I think it was the feeling that it could be done with impunity that led people to do it.

S.x.

lilcoffeebean 2017年3月8日 2時43分

gallifrey の投稿を引用：
lilcoffeebean の投稿を引用：

While I don't think cheating should be a criminal matter, I certainly can see a case for civil, but it's just not worth going after people on the individual level.

Distributors on the other hand have been successfully taken to court. Riot and Blizzard have both won cases in this area in the last two years, so there's certainly precedent.. In the case of Riot they were awarded $10 million even, albeit that case invlolved more than just the tool being distributed for cheating.

Someone in the UK went to jail for hacking, Call of Duty 4 I think, and crashing the servers at launch.

S.x.

Yes, if someone is bringing a server down, especially in an extremely popular game, I could see them pursuing it. He was charged under the Computer Misuse act, specifically because it is illegal to impair the access or operation of a program/computer or to own/create software that can launch DDoS attacks. Most forms of cheating wouldn't actually fall under this act though as they don't actually have an impact on the game's ability to run or people's ability to access it.

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Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder 2017年3月8日 3時00分

Section 3 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990: -

Unauthorised acts with intent to impair, or with recklessness as to impairing, operation of computer, etc.
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(1)

A person is guilty of an offence if—
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(a)

he does any unauthorised act in relation to a computer;
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(b)

at the time when he does the act he knows that it is unauthorised; and
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(c)

either subsection (2) or subsection (3) below applies.
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(2)

This subsection applies if the person intends by doing the act—
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(a)

to impair the operation of any computer;
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(b)

to prevent or hinder access to any program or data held in any computer; [F8or]
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(c)

to impair the operation of any such program or the reliability of any such data; [F9or
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(d)

to enable any of the things mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (c) above to be done.]]

Most cheat programs would fall foul of (2)(c).

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TheStoryteller01 2017年3月8日 3時49分

Aceblade の投稿を引用：
Hello, as the title says, why do people cheat in multiplayer games?

So with that in mind, any opinions on the subject?

flamebait 101

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Aceblade 2017年3月8日 3時54分

TheStoryteller01 の投稿を引用：
Aceblade の投稿を引用：
Hello, as the title says, why do people cheat in multiplayer games?

So with that in mind, any opinions on the subject?
flamebait 101

So being curious is considered flame bait now? What has this world come to...

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