An issue with the new gifting

[One41]

I have friends who doesnt use Steam to play games but have an account to just gift people through their emails. This doesnt help them at all as it is easier for them to gift through emails than adding the person. I dont get on what is the problem gifting through emails when making a purchase.

EDIT:

Capt_RedSTAR wants me to post this

https://www.change.org/p/valve-corporation-valve-please-bring-back-previous-gift-system-on-steam

[echelon]

masterfocus původně napsal:

 echelon původně napsal:

You agreed to not do it when creating your steam account.

yes, and I didn't do it, so, again, stop your nonsense

Intent is the exercise of intelligent will, the mind being fully aware of the nature and consequences of the act which is about to be done, and with such knowledge, and with full liberty of action, willing and electing to do it.

[indio68]

and they tell us Valve made this ♥♥♥♥ for our preasure and for our freedom to gift..MY ASS as usual another anti. trade restriction...i stop use Steam soon..there is no more reason to stay here i guess.

[Masterfocus]

Darren původně napsal:

You seem to be neglecting the fact that people were using this ability to resell gifts in order to commit credit card fraud, sell a bunch of gifts and pocket the money.

I didn't know people was doing that. This is really illegal and obviously I don't agree with that. But it's not a reason to "nerf" the gift feature like that.

Darren původně napsal:

Valve had to act to stop them (and it has) as a side effect it has also impacted some other against SSA reselling (which shouldn't have been going on) and removed the ability for Gifts to be traded (which is not something they ever promised anyway as something you'd be able to do forever) and was as you have indicated not your preferred method anyway (you were going to violate the SSA instead of doing the harder but legitimate method).

As far as Valve could see everyone was merely violating the SSA and few people were using the actual legitimate use of gifts hence few people would be harmed apart from those violating the SSA.

not exactly.. There are people trading gift games for trading cards ou another items, like, for example, csgo keys or chests, and sell them to buy another game for themselves using the steam balance earned through this. This is legal and now they can't do it anymore. I wanted to do that too, and, again, this is not against the rules.

Anyway, even THIS violation of the SSA is unfair, because Steam is still earning their money, people aren't pirating games and the other side is earning their game at a cheaper price anyway. But, whatever, need to try to adapt to the rules... Even if they are unfair..

[Masterfocus]

 echelon původně napsal:

masterfocus původně napsal:

yes, and I didn't do it, so, again, stop your nonsense

Intent is the exercise of intelligent will, the mind being fully aware of the nature and consequences of the act which is about to be done, and with such knowledge, and with full liberty of action, willing and electing to do it.

No matter what you say, I did no such thing, my account is clean, so this discussion is moot.

[Masterfocus]

By the way, I already said I didn't know it was against the rules. So my mind wasn't "fully aware of the nature and consequeneces of the act", so just get lost.

[indio68]

its not for Gamers\users as they stated (ita a lie as usual) it's to try limit gifting bundle games and game bought outside steam..forcing us to pay more money on Steam ..i never buy a digital game that costs = or more the retail counterpart..it's a robbery, cuz pèublisher save many money from not shipping, packaging, master DVD, dvd costs..but now price grow every day for unfinished games with day 1 dlc..and stupid resource eating DRM...no thanks

[Black Blade]

Darren původně napsal:

As far as Valve could see everyone was merely violating the SSA and few people were using the actual legitimate use of gifts hence few people would be harmed apart from those violating the SSA.

Any how will Valve know? I honstly don't think most users that used invetory gifting where doing so to violet the SSA
I for one packed on gifts over times of games i simply liked and want to gift
Or CO-OP games i mean to gift to a user that i want to play with maybe

I am locked away from it now and can only derictly give that honstly i know will drop the amount i do it, sadly
Its a legit use

Also gift trading is legit by the SSA, and i am sure there where a group like that

[Jaegeras]

Wow...the arguments and blatant assumptions are very left field.

"Trading is dead!"

Nope. I could still go to Bundle Stars/Humble Bundle .etc if I wanted to, take my keys there and offer the keys if if I provided. Until Valve says something regarding to this, it's not dead. I do however, would like to see Valve verify who they personally trust in regards to key distribution. I think it's safe to say that Humble Bundle might be a good contender.

"It's all about MONEH!"

It's business, so why wouldn't it be about money? This is such an oxymoron. So, it's not about the money when resellers take keys and inflate their value or selling them in other places like G2A. But then it becomes all about the money when Valve introduces a new system that is to deal with that. What a bunch of hypocritical children.

"This isn't going to make a dent outside of Steam"

Well, sadly, that becomes their problem. They might want to step up their game and figure a way to handle their gifting/key system so that people do not fall into traps if they don't want people questioning their stances.

Common sense is apparently at a loss here since that's evident, not a lot of people utilize it's there to use.

[indio68]

Black Blade původně napsal:

Darren původně napsal:

Any how will Valve know? I honstly don't think most users that used invetory gifting where doing so to violet the SSA
I for one packed on gifts over times of games i simply liked and want to gift
Or CO-OP games i mean to gift to a user that i want to play with maybe

I am locked away from it now and can only derictly give that honstly i know will drop the amount i do it, sadly
Its a legit use

Also gift trading is legit by the SSA, and i am sure there where a group like that

time to move away from, Steam i guess..and i'm here form the beginning..but now is enough

[brvsn]

masterfocus původně napsal:

By the way, I already said I didn't know it was against the rules. So my mind wasn't "fully aware of the nature and consequeneces of the act", so just get lost.

why you are still replying to that nonsense? Is him trying to make us believe that if I dreamed killing someone I'm going to be processed for attempted murder? This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!

[indio68]

Jaegurt♠ původně napsal:

Wow...the arguments and blatant assumptions are very left field.

"Trading is dead!"

Nope. I could still go to Bundle Stars/Humble Bundle .etc if I wanted to, take my keys there and offer the keys if if I provided. Until Valve says something regarding to this, it's not dead. I do however, would like to see Valve verify who they personally trust in regards to key distribution. I think it's safe to say that Humble Bundle might be a good contender.

"It's all about MONEH!"

It's business, so why wouldn't it be about money? This is such an oxymoron. So, it's not about the money when resellers take keys and inflate their value or selling them in other places like G2A. But then it becomes all about the money when Valve introduces a new system that is to deal with that. What a bunch of hypocritical children.

"This isn't going to make a dent outside of Steam"

Well, sadly, that becomes their problem. They might want to step up their game and figure a way to handle their gifting/key system so that people do not fall into traps if they don't want people questioning their stances.

Common sense is apparently at a loss here since that's evident, not a lot of people utilize it's there to use.

gabe ..how are you??

[Masterfocus]

Spindle původně napsal:

Most users are happy with this change, it's long overdue and much needed. It was being heavily abused and everyone knows it.

Most people who are happy will not comment, keep in mind the silent majority. Check the accounts of people who are mad and see they abused this!

not true. This change was done just yesterday, so only few people know about it. I only learned about this today because I tried to buy a game through a 66% coupon I earned through a badge and couldn't store at my inventory. A lot of people didn't know about this, stopping acting like you speak for everybody.

And there's a lot of people which don't use the forum because they don't like, don't mind or don't know about it.

[Black Blade]

indio68 původně napsal:

its not for Gamers\users as they stated (ita a lie as usual) it's to try limit gifting bundle games and game bought outside steam..forcing us to pay more money on Steam ..i never buy a digital game that costs = or more the retail counterpart..it's a robbery, cuz pèublisher save many money from not shipping, packaging, master DVD, dvd costs..but now price grow every day for unfinished games with day 1 dlc..and stupid resource eating DRM...no thanks

How is these going to effect that? It has no touch on out side buys expect of reselling gifts
It dose not effect Keys at all yet

[indio68]

Black Blade původně napsal:

indio68 původně napsal:

its not for Gamers\users as they stated (ita a lie as usual) it's to try limit gifting bundle games and game bought outside steam..forcing us to pay more money on Steam ..i never buy a digital game that costs = or more the retail counterpart..it's a robbery, cuz pèublisher save many money from not shipping, packaging, master DVD, dvd costs..but now price grow every day for unfinished games with day 1 dlc..and stupid resource eating DRM...no thanks

How is these going to effect that? It has no touch on out side buys expect of reselling gifts
It dose not effect Keys at all yet

read the post above and u know how..and u can just watch how many post are opened on this stupid change

[brvsn]

and next move will be about keys bought outside, indeed!