Finding a good new RPG is impossible

[p0mpous]

They either arent RPG's like the Witcher, amall scale CRPGs like Baldurs Gate or they are about 20 years old.

[Aluvard]

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aluvard:

If your problem is the scale go with Pathfinder series. If you want something akin to older games both in mechanics and visuals - Tainted Grail.

Still a CRPG I want something that is an ARPG and if I remember rights Tainted Grail is card based isnt it?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1466060/Tainted_Grail_The_Fall_of_Avalon/

[Tito Shivan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Commander:

Times change, whatever the reason behind it. If you want to play REAL RPGs, nothing tops pen&paper, Dungeons & Dragons, Shadowrun and that others.

Been a tabletop RPG player for decades. And scope and scale have never been the things that make an actual RPG good. You can have a good roleplaying experience at a very small scale and little scope.

I think OP's issues have more to do with the concept of 'open world' than with the concept of 'roleplaying' itself.

[p0mpous]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

If they dont know what an RPG is sure but I dont really what they think.

The bar for me caring what someone thinks when it comes to this topic is they know what an RPG is.

What games do you consider deeper RPG's than BG3?

Well, what do you really consider an RPG in general. Since if you feel Daggerfall is a better RPG, I'm going to be shocked due to all the limitations in the game.

For start although I would agree BG3 is an RPG it clearly lacks scale in terms of its map. It lacks things like side factions. I would say its a very concentrated, whereas I would prefer something that more sprawling in its nature. There is also the fact that it has turn based combat, thats fine but can be pretty stale and rigid.

Of course Daggerfall has limitations, its really old. However most modern games lack the kind of scale and character creation that you get from that game. I never said it was perfect but it does things that no other game even attempts.

[Komarimaru]

Oprindeligt skrevet af lsdninja:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

What games do you consider deeper RPG's than BG3?

Well, what do you really consider an RPG in general. Since if you feel Daggerfall is a better RPG, I'm going to be shocked due to all the limitations in the game.

This ground was all covered in OPs last thread, the one I linked above.

Oh, your right, and...

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

Here is a list of what I want.

3D with a realistic world, nothing over stylised and no cartoon rubbish.
First person real time combat.
Class creation.
Character creation.
Open world.
Side quests.
Multiple factions to join.
Preferably silent protagonist.

Holy cow... So they just want Bethesda game clones? Don't get me wrong, they were ok, but are not RPG's in the sense that most think. They are first person action role playing games, big big big big big difference.

[p0mpous]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tito Shivan:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Commander:

Times change, whatever the reason behind it. If you want to play REAL RPGs, nothing tops pen&paper, Dungeons & Dragons, Shadowrun and that others.

Been a tabletop RPG player for decades. And scope and scale have never been the things that make an actual RPG good. You can have a good roleplaying experience at a very small scale and little scope.

I think OP's issues have more to do with the concept of 'open world' than with the concept of 'roleplaying' itself.

No it has to do with the concept of both. Most games today that claim to be an RPG are not and most games that flaunt their open world have very little to actually flaunt.

[Komarimaru]

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

What games do you consider deeper RPG's than BG3?

Well, what do you really consider an RPG in general. Since if you feel Daggerfall is a better RPG, I'm going to be shocked due to all the limitations in the game.

For start although I would agree BG3 is an RPG it clearly lacks scale in terms of its map. It lacks things like side factions. I would say its a very concentrated, whereas I would prefer something that more sprawling in its nature. There is also the fact that it has turn based combat, thats fine but can be pretty stale and rigid.

Of course Daggerfall has limitations, its really old. However most modern games lack the kind of scale and character creation that you get from that game. I never said it was perfect but it does things that no other game even attempts.

I saw. You wanted a dead massive open world to just run around in. You just want Skyrim 2.0

[Aluvard]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

For start although I would agree BG3 is an RPG it clearly lacks scale in terms of its map. It lacks things like side factions. I would say its a very concentrated, whereas I would prefer something that more sprawling in its nature. There is also the fact that it has turn based combat, thats fine but can be pretty stale and rigid.

Of course Daggerfall has limitations, its really old. However most modern games lack the kind of scale and character creation that you get from that game. I never said it was perfect but it does things that no other game even attempts.

I saw. You wanted a dead massive open world to just run around in. You just want Skyrim 2.0

So... Starfield?

[p0mpous]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

Oprindeligt skrevet af lsdninja:

This ground was all covered in OPs last thread, the one I linked above.

Oh, your right, and...

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

Here is a list of what I want.

3D with a realistic world, nothing over stylised and no cartoon rubbish.
First person real time combat.
Class creation.
Character creation.
Open world.
Side quests.
Multiple factions to join.
Preferably silent protagonist.

Holy cow... So they just want Bethesda game clones? Don't get me wrong, they were ok, but are not RPG's in the sense that most think. They are first person action role playing games, big big big big big difference.

What I am looking for is what would have happened if Bethesda carried on down the path that daggerfall was taking them.

[p0mpous]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

For start although I would agree BG3 is an RPG it clearly lacks scale in terms of its map. It lacks things like side factions. I would say its a very concentrated, whereas I would prefer something that more sprawling in its nature. There is also the fact that it has turn based combat, thats fine but can be pretty stale and rigid.

Of course Daggerfall has limitations, its really old. However most modern games lack the kind of scale and character creation that you get from that game. I never said it was perfect but it does things that no other game even attempts.

I saw. You wanted a dead massive open world to just run around in. You just want Skyrim 2.0

No. As for dead world, BG3 100% qualifies, there is nothing going on outside your narrow story.

Also define dead. Daggerfalls open world is empty its actually too big, Morrowinds is static because they hadnt made radiant AI yet, I wouldnt call Oblivions or Skyrims dead, I would just calls Skyrims shallow.

But the sad thing is the modern are so bad that these flawed, broken games are still better. I mean for god sake sometime it feels like Skyrim was written by a 12 year old, yet nothing has replaced it.

Also no, I dont want Skyim 2.0 I would much prefer daggerfall 2.0.

[p0mpous]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aluvard:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

I saw. You wanted a dead massive open world to just run around in. You just want Skyrim 2.0

So... Starfield?

No, certainly no.

At this points any Bethesda has made since 2016 should just be discounted.

[crunchyfrog]

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

Oprindeligt skrevet af crunchyfrog:

That's because these types of games are expensive to make and the demand has dropped (or devs just aren't getting funded).

That's the real problem here.

The demand is still there, people are just currently making poor imitations of these games and then claiming they are these games.

Yes that's what I said - if it's there it still doesn't change the fact that devs or publishers don't want to risk it.

[p0mpous]

Oprindeligt skrevet af crunchyfrog:

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

The demand is still there, people are just currently making poor imitations of these games and then claiming they are these games.

Yes that's what I said - if it's there it still doesn't change the fact that devs or publishers don't want to risk it.

Devs probably are willing to. It's as usual why you dont sign with a publisher if you can avoid it as they will do nothing but meddle.

[Komarimaru]

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

I saw. You wanted a dead massive open world to just run around in. You just want Skyrim 2.0

No. As for dead world, BG3 100% qualifies, there is nothing going on outside your narrow story.

Also define dead. Daggerfalls open world is empty its actually too big, Morrowinds is static because they hadnt made radiant AI yet, I wouldnt call Oblivions or Skyrims dead, I would just calls Skyrims shallow.

But the sad thing is the modern are so bad that these flawed, broken games are still better. I mean for god sake sometime it feels like Skyrim was written by a 12 year old.

Daggerfall has "Radiant" quests. Randomly generated, but the same thing over all for NPC's etc. Gets rather droll quickly and still the same main quests.

And yes, BG3's world isn't massively huge, since would be wasteful and pointless. But compared to say, Skyrim's? Far larger when take into consideration on how they condensed it to lessen the pointless running around yet while still offering rewards for exploring.

Now, not saying to play BG3 at all if not your thing. But it's obvious you're not after a classical RPG style of gameplay. Your criteria was quite strict and limited with no true scope for RPG gameplay. You're into first person hack and slash light roleplaying games, you're not into in depth character customization or actions and consequences.

But there's tons of games that are simple like what you want, CP2077 being one if not played it.

[p0mpous]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:

Oprindeligt skrevet af p0mpous:

No. As for dead world, BG3 100% qualifies, there is nothing going on outside your narrow story.

Also define dead. Daggerfalls open world is empty its actually too big, Morrowinds is static because they hadnt made radiant AI yet, I wouldnt call Oblivions or Skyrims dead, I would just calls Skyrims shallow.

But the sad thing is the modern are so bad that these flawed, broken games are still better. I mean for god sake sometime it feels like Skyrim was written by a 12 year old.

Daggerfall has "Radiant" quests. Randomly generated, but the same thing over all for NPC's etc. Gets rather droll quickly and still the same main quests.

And yes, BG3's world isn't massively huge, since would be wasteful and pointless. But compared to say, Skyrim's? Far larger when take into consideration on how they condensed it to lessen the pointless running around yet while still offering rewards for exploring.

Now, not saying to play BG3 at all if not your thing. But it's obvious you're not after a classical RPG style of gameplay. Your criteria was quite strict and limited with no true scope for RPG gameplay. You're into first person hack and slash light roleplaying games, you're not into in depth character customization or actions and consequences.

But there's tons of games that are simple like what you want, CP2077 being one if not played it.

Yes it has radiant quest that have no real story behind them, just like reality. When I go to the shops to buy some milk there is no story behind it. Not every single quest needs to have some expansive story behind it. The fact that guilds act like guilds rather than a story dispenser is in some way much better for role play.

Also just to clear this up radiant quests and radiant AI are not the same.

"you're not into in depth character customization or actions and consequences."

Daggerfall has extremely deep character customisation, it goes far beyond anything you have in BG3, in BG3 you have set classes and thats it sure you can vary a bit but in daggerfall if you want to you can make someone who only has language skills if you'd like.

Also no, in daggerfall actions have consequences, like your class wont be able to complete all quests, fail enough you can kicked out of the guild, do enough bad things you can literally be exiled from an entire region.

CP2077 is nothing like what I am talking about, its another Witcher.

This might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. One of the main things I hate about the TES series after Morrowind is the fact that none of your actions matter.

[Aluvard]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/933480/Enderal_Forgotten_Stories/

Or total overhauls or Morrowind (Skywind) and Oblivion (Skyblivion).