Please do not bend the knee to defamation

[JoseRodriguez]

Just wanted to say I support Steam's current moderation and policies. ADL collecting community content regarding hate symbols is a joke. Outside of Pepe non sense, any other real-life hate symbol listed can easily be from a game or a mod, not promoting the hateful ideas but even a simple screenshot can get into their list.

As an average Arma 3 enjoyer, I have gone through countless mods and there are some mods adding real-life factions such as WW2 Germans, Middle Eastern terrorists etc. But it's in the game's core, you can play as good guys or bad guys, just like every other game involving factions competition. One player having a good time with friends playing those mods, then posting a screenshot is not promoting hate. Arma 3 is just a very good but only one of those examples.

What ADL doing is simple defamation, they don't specify what content includes, what it actually is or what's the actual background information on the post / comment / screenshot / workshop mod or whatever it really is.

I support Steam's current policies, I have crossed my line and got warned a couple times before, rightfully so. Anyone promoting hate speech should be receiving warnings and actions, totally behind that. But please do not change your policies over people's creations as it will lead only to downfall of Steam community usage and shift of workshop content to 3rd party websites.

I wanted to share my opinion on this, but not sure exactly where I could deliver it, sorry if this is not the exact place for this.

Thank you.


Edit: Source [www.adl.org]

[Shotgun]

This is likely a pro-DEI/anti-anti-DEI initiative. The ADL (and others, examples further below) uses DEI as a tool to achieve sociopolitical goals in service of entities that seek to achieve financial goals. The process, employed by the ADL and other organizations (especially major investment organizations), goes something like this:

- Allegations of "defamation" are used to force governments (especially weaker ones, like some in Europe) to pass pro-DEI initiatives

- DEI is implemented into affected industries by mandate

- DEI-infused companies receive favorable regulatory treatment, tax breaks, etc.

- Money is funneled and new ventures are launched by associated investors

- DEI is used to defend against criticism of hostile/anti-consumer business practices

- DEI is used to grow electoral bases that will perpetuate this cycle (via reeducation, immigration, et cetera)

The gaming industry is perceived as a target of opportunity as it is relatively weak, and gamers are perceived as relatively dissociated from politics and social issues. This has been going on for some years now, and I will provide an example so you can get a sense of how this works.

We all know about the recent drama surrounding gaming journalism, right? For example, take IGN, which puts a heavy DEI spin on its content. Well, IGN is owned by Ziff Davis, Inc. William Bernard Ziff Sr., ZD's founder, was a prominent Zionist. ZD's current largest shareholder is BlackRock, Inc., which is the world's largest investment company and a major enforcer of DEI and ESG policies and initiatives. It was founded by Larry Fink, who is a Jewish billionaire. As the ADL is fundamentally a Jewish/Zionist organization, you can see how everything is connected in financial terms.

No, the ADL doesn't actually believe that Pepe the Frog is a Nazi symbol. All of this has very little to do with actual discrimination and hate speech, and everything to do with funneling as much money as possible into the coffers of certain individuals and companies.

Here's how it would hypothetically play out with Steam:

- Steam is accused of defamation

- Steam is forced to enforce DEI policies through public outcry and/or government intervention, or goes out of business and a more agreeable company takes its place

- Investments are made into big-budget DEI-centric games

- Steam (or its replacement platform) heavily promotes those games, and censors any criticism of those games (even functional criticism) on the grounds of it being discriminatory, harassment, etc.

- The games are very popular and sell lots of copies because they only receive positive reviews and feedback

- BlackRock makes a lot of money

[thusvoid]

Shotgun eredeti hozzászólása:

BlackRock makes a lot of money

You're on the ball. This is all about money (and control).

It's obvious the ADL is a proxy for BlackRock. Couldn't be more obvious.

*Personally I am not a fan of Tucker. I am just sharing the juicy bits about how he got BlackRock super butthurt.

In February, BlackRock Inc. increased its position in Fox Corporation (FOXA). BlackRock now owns 15.1 percent of the company. BlackRock’s enhanced position in Fox Corporation explains, in part, the Tucker dismissal, and it was a dismissal, not Tucker’s choice.

Why would BlackRock, headed by CEO Larry Fink, pressure Fox News to axe Tucker? For one, Tucker was known for his scathing criticism of Ukraine’s corruption, which put him at odds with the investment giant. In January, Carlson reacted derisively to a video of Ukrainian President Zelensky thanking BlackRock, J.P. Morgan, and Goldman Sachs for “rebuilding” the country. Tucker referred to Zelensky, not as a hero, as the establishment would have it, but as a dictator. Carlson has also been critical of BlackRock’s push for environmental, social, and governance (ESG) investing, claiming, rightly, that ESG is a means of circumventing legislation and thus subverting democratic processes. ESG thwarts the will of the people and installs a “climate change” dictatorship in its place.

...

Perhaps most significant was the ADL’s calls for Tucker’s removal.

It seems BlackRock is very sensitive when people talk bad about them or their goals. BlackRock dislike open communities that allow the exchange of civil conversation and debate around their initiatives.

It's a clever trick I suppose. BlackRock can use the ADL to obtain influence by coercion, and if that fails they use the moral standing of the ADL to enforce businesses restrictions.

All this tells us: DEI definitely isn't going away. DEI is going to come in harder and faster and more coordinated and manipulative than ever before - brace yourselves boys!

[hazydistance]

JoseRodriguez eredeti hozzászólása:

Nick Osman eredeti hozzászólása:

can I have some context

Source [www.adl.org]

Not only that, but a certain senator Mark Warner (D, Virginia), who happens to serve as the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, was moved by said "report" to pen a grandstanding open letter to Gabe N., demanding immediate action to cleanse the hive of hate and terrorism that is Steam. You can find his screed on his official site, www.warner.senate.gov

The ADL of course would appear to be an obvious racket that's entirely concerned with money and power, but many governmental entities (such as the FBI) are willing to pretend to take their naked alarmism seriously in order to further their own agendas.

[captainwiseass]

I mean, I just don't be a Nazi and don't use swastikas, and I don't have to worry about the ADL at all. Worth a try for some of you ITT, maybe.

[PootisMayo]

Kiler_best1235_Denmark eredeti hozzászólása:

No. Now you are speaking like everyone working at ADL. Not okay.

No. Please leave this platform for good.

[thusvoid]

captainwiseass eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, I just don't be anti-DEI and don't aggro BlackRock Inc, and I don't have to worry about the ADL at all. Worth a try for some of you ITT, maybe.

fixed that for you.

[Mememento Kekri]

captainwiseass eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, I just don't be a Nazi and don't use swastikas, and I don't have to worry about the ADL at all. Worth a try for some of you ITT, maybe.

Absolutely deranged take, the ADL is known to sponsor hateful content in order to create the illusion of hate in a group, the ADL has been caught red handed paying for KKK rallies using crisis actors several times
Also they just take random symbols and call them hate symbols, the report the SIC is currently using to threaten steam claims that pepe the frog is a nazi symbol and that it needs to be removed from the platform

The ADL is a terrorist organization and it always has been

[Straight White Male]

JoseRodriguez eredeti hozzászólása:

Just wanted to say I support Steam's current moderation and policies. ADL collecting community content regarding hate symbols is a joke. Outside of Pepe non sense, any other real-life hate symbol listed can easily be from a game or a mod, not promoting the hateful ideas but even a simple screenshot can get into their list.

As an average Arma 3 enjoyer, I have gone through countless mods and there are some mods adding real-life factions such as WW2 Germans, Middle Eastern terrorists etc. But it's in the game's core, you can play as good guys or bad guys, just like every other game involving factions competition. One player having a good time with friends playing those mods, then posting a screenshot is not promoting hate. Arma 3 is just a very good but only one of those examples.

What ADL doing is simple defamation, they don't specify what content includes, what it actually is or what's the actual background information on the post / comment / screenshot / workshop mod or whatever it really is.

I support Steam's current policies, I have crossed my line and got warned a couple times before, rightfully so. Anyone promoting hate speech should be receiving warnings and actions, totally behind that. But please do not change your policies over people's creations as it will lead only to downfall of Steam community usage and shift of workshop content to 3rd party websites.

I wanted to share my opinion on this, but not sure exactly where I could deliver it, sorry if this is not the exact place for this.

Thank you.


Edit: Source [www.adl.org]

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/7074686732306773691/

[Noir]

captainwiseass eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, I just don't be a Nazi and don't use swastikas, and I don't have to worry about the ADL at all. Worth a try for some of you ITT, maybe.

You should read the 'study' The real issue is that among the 1 billion+ steam users there have been - in total - 1.83 million 'hateful symbols' posted. Over half of those hateful symbols were Pepe the Frog. A meme. The ADL is literally angry that a ridiculously tiny minority of people have posted a frog meme.

[Straight White Male]

https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1857704574687027487

The Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which oversees the CIA, is using an ADL report to openly threaten Steam (the world’s language gaming platform) that it has to censor language, keywords, and accounts, reminding Steam that is “financially successful” for now.

[captainwiseass]

Noir eredeti hozzászólása:

captainwiseass eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, I just don't be a Nazi and don't use swastikas, and I don't have to worry about the ADL at all. Worth a try for some of you ITT, maybe.

You should read the 'study' The real issue is that among the 1 billion+ steam users there have been - in total - 1.83 million 'hateful symbols' posted. Over half of those hateful symbols were Pepe the Frog. A meme. The ADL is literally angry that a ridiculously tiny minority of people have posted a frog meme.

The white supremacists appropriated the frog like a decade ago. Sucks for the people who liked it for the five minutes they didn't have it, but to pretend it didn't happen is disingenuous at best.

[hazydistance]

captainwiseass eredeti hozzászólása:

The white supremacists appropriated the frog like a decade ago. Sucks for the people who liked it for the five minutes they didn't have it, but to pretend it didn't happen is disingenuous at best.

Yeah dude, just like they appropriated the OK hand sign, the letter H and the numbers, 1, 4, 8, 14, 88, ♥♥♥♥ and 8814! Is nothing safe from their unstoppable pillage?!

Obviously not, so better get used to constant semiotic erasure. By the way, is there a particular reason your username ends in a double s?

Edit: Oh noes, we can no longer answer the question "In which year did Anne of Brittany become the Duchess of Brittany?" Well, I guess the question itself can be appropriated as a "dogwhistle".

[Shotgun]

hazydistance eredeti hozzászólása:

captainwiseass eredeti hozzászólása:

The white supremacists appropriated the frog like a decade ago. Sucks for the people who liked it for the five minutes they didn't have it, but to pretend it didn't happen is disingenuous at best.

Yeah dude, just like they appropriated the OK hand sign, the letter H and the numbers, 1, 4, 8, 14, 88, ♥♥♥♥ and 8814! Is nothing safe from their unstoppable pillage?!

Obviously not, so better get used to constant semiotic erasure. By the way, is there a particular reason your username ends in a double s?

Edit: Oh noes, we can no longer answer the question "In which year did Anne of Brittany become the Duchess of Brittany?" Well, I guess the question itself can be appropriated as a "dogwhistle".

Even if the frog has been used questionably by some groups in the past, it's not a Nazi symbol for the vast majority of its users, most of whom probably don't even know it was ever used by anyone as a Nazi symbol.

Or maybe all Chinese are Nazi racists, because the number 88 is extremely popular in their culture?

If it weren't Pepe, it would've been something else. Maybe they would've said that anime catgirls are a Nazi symbol instead. The word "scapegoat" quite literally originates in the Hebrew bible.

[hazydistance]

Shotgun eredeti hozzászólása:

If it weren't Pepe, it would've been something else.

Correct, the possibilities are literally endless. And for once, that's a literal "literally".

[Doctor Zalgo]

Noir eredeti hozzászólása:

captainwiseass eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, I just don't be a Nazi and don't use swastikas, and I don't have to worry about the ADL at all. Worth a try for some of you ITT, maybe.

You should read the 'study' The real issue is that among the 1 billion+ steam users there have been - in total - 1.83 million 'hateful symbols' posted. Over half of those hateful symbols were Pepe the Frog. A meme. The ADL is literally angry that a ridiculously tiny minority of people have posted a frog meme.

A swastika is just a 'meme' as well, if you're going to go down that path.

Honestly, I'd love to convene a 'meme jury' of regular citizens to look at all the hate speeches, let the ADL say why they're hateful and let a random steam user try to defend it.

Because when one side has an argument and all the other side has is 'its just a meme lol', the jury is probably not going to need to think about it for long.