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Wikarian99PL 15 giu 2023, ore 12:44
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[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI
Thanks to this post
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237
by User
https://steamcommunity.com/id/lightwo




Im on Win7, dont know exactly how the first steps will looks on newest Windows
In short

  • Close completely Steam
  • Create Shortcut for Steam.exe
  • Right Click on Shortcut
  • Properties
  • Target (It should have path to original .exe file)
    I have "C:\Steam\steam.exe" or Default "C:\Program Files\Steam"
  • Paste This in after Path from previous step (It will download old version of Steam)
    -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl http://web.archive.org/web/20230531113527if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam
  • Open Steam via Shortcut
  • Wait until it finish update and will close
  • Delete previously pasted code (remember to not delete path to .exe file)
  • Open Steam Main Folder
    Default "C:\Program Files\Steam" or Your Location
  • In this folder create File "steam.cfg" (.cfg Needs To Be File Extension, not steam.cfg.txt)
  • Paste This in our "steam.cfg" File (It will prevent form Automatic Updates)
    BootStrapperInhibitAll=Enable
    BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=False

  • Open Steam, should looks normal again

    I think its everything
    It looks normally, dont know if every function on Steam will work
    If You want to again download Newest Version, delete "steam.cfg" from Main Steam Folder




    Again, Special Thanks to lightwo
    Messaggio originale di lightwo:
    Also, a note to anyone who wants to use the instructions as per the OP: if you don't use Windows, edit the URL to replace the date (after /web/, before if_) with one of these:
    • Linux: 20230531115543
    • macOS: 20230531120503


    And also Special Thanks to Radoo, from pinned comment below for other alternative solution
Ultima modifica da Wikarian99PL; 16 giu 2023, ore 11:52
Messaggio originale di Pepe:
OP Alternative - Start Steam in VGUI Mode Using Initial CEF Steam Release

In June, this option was just easier, as it wasn't involving using a different client. Now... <insert HowTurntables meme>.


Note that the Friends List is not working properly. It might not work at all or it might work intermittently. Sometimes I saw it working after a retry, sometimes it didn't, after several retries. I couldn't find any reproducible steps to make it work. I've read a few people saying it's working fine, but I'm not sure if they use the old build from OP or the newer CEF build with -vgui. You could try...
- closing and opening Friends List window;
- using the retry button that appears after the error shows up;
- changing your status from the Friends List window, somehow (I couldn't make it work, I had no dropdown list available).
Messaggio originale di anon_amos:
I may have a fix for the friends list not working with the -vgui option. Open Friends & Chat and click Sign In. It will disappear and appear to have not connected.

Open the Friends & Chat again and you should notice that it now says 'Offline'. Click the drop down and select Online.

You should now be connected and your Friends List should appear.

Later Edit 6 (2023-09-10 UTC): Due to sheer volume of unmoderated trolling (plus being modded myself for "Disrespectful Post" while stating the obvious about the main troll here), I won't be answering any new questions on this subject. I've unsubscribed from this thread. If you have any questions, please read the whole thread, from top to bottom, maybe the question was posted and answered before.

The most common question of value that I can remember is about installing another version that the ones posted. Yes, it is possible, if you search for the specific date when that version was published on web archive.

Messaggio originale di Radoo:
Messaggio originale di Limbert:
This is great! Is it possible to revert back to before they messed up the steam controller gyro in May/June (not sure exactly which version)?
Sure, if you know when it happened...
1. Try to find a snapshot from
a) here https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/media.steampowered.com
... or ...
b) here (looking for when the Windows client was backed up might reveal a better snapshot for the updates files which are under https://media.steampowered.com/client and can't be listed) https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/SteamSetup.exe
2. From that snapshot URL, just copy the timestamp part
Example:
... copy ...
20230329081100
3. Run the downgrade command with the changed URL, modifying the timestamp part
Example:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam.exe" -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230616124219if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam
... changed URL ...
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam.exe" -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230329081100if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam

Another interesting aspect of keeping the memory to its lowest is enabling Family View. One helpful user did a test on this.

Messaggio originale di SAUNA:
Messaggio originale di Radoo:
That gave me an idea. What if you run Steam using Family View, disabling access to "Steam store", "Community-generated content", "Friends, chat and groups", "My online profile, screenshots, and achievements". How much better Steam would run? Did anyone try it out?
Steam client application
Built: Jun 15 2023
Steam API: v020
Steam package versions: 1686880776

Family view OFF:
323.2 - 383.2 MB large mode, open

Family view ON:
223.1 - 259 MB small mode, minimized on task bar.


First number is just after launch, after a while it grows and seems to stop there.

My toaster specs:

Intel Core i3
4Gb RAM
Win10 32bit

(dont judge me XD)

Later Edit 5 (2023-08-02 UTC): The latest Steam release from 2023-08-01 has removed the -vgui option. This means that for this alternative method to work you will need June/July Steam version which still has the newer underlying CEF - that will allow for newer authentication method in the long run - but also has the -vgui option.

Clean Installation
Clean installation is intended for people with no Steam installed at all or people who have issues when trying to downgrade. Skip to Downgrade to Older CEF Steam Version with VGUI Option otherwise.

As most people already have Steam installed and the few links found weren't tested enough by people, the clean install steps will be deferred for now

If you need a clean installation, you could try these download links. After the initial installation, you could continue with the Downgrade steps, as the forced downgrade steps were tested.

Windows Steam Client Install Files

Both links download the same client.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230702125953if_/https://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/SteamSetup.exe
SHA256SUM: 3b616cb0beaacffb53884b5ba0453312d2577db598d2a877a3b251125fb281a1 SteamSetup.exe
https://web.archive.org/web/20230616124219if_/https://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/SteamSetup.exe
SHA256SUM: 3b616cb0beaacffb53884b5ba0453312d2577db598d2a877a3b251125fb281a1 SteamSetup.exe

There were two reports of failing to run Steam: "Steam - Critical error. Fail to load steamui.dll". This issue is fixed by "downgrading" using the Windows Downgrade Steps to Older CEF Steam Version with VGUI Option from below.


GNU/Linux Steam Client Deb Files for Debian Based Distros
(E.g. Debian, Ubuntu, Mint)

Packages differ based on the link used. First one should contain the 21 June client, second one the 16 June one.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230702125953if_/https://repo.steampowered.com/steam/archive/precise/steam_latest.deb
SHA256SUM: 456c200c00f7cae57db06d2067fbdb1fa3727eb6744371827913c4cf82d507a0 steam_latest.deb
https://web.archive.org/web/20230618205131if_/https://repo.steampowered.com/steam/archive/precise/steam_latest.deb
SHA256SUM: 4e0a3c80bbaec9387983f025a4f4cff48dbeb46be38af33033877352f0a59bdc steam_latest.deb

* for Fedora and Arch distros, if you don't want to use the downgrade steps, the solution is to find the archived version from the distro repos - I don't think we've got any updates yet, usually packages are updated later, depending on the maintainer. Note that (at least on Fedora) some distros will not keep old package versions for long. You should save the old package locally in a safe place (not the main system partition - e.g. home dir if it's o a separate partition than root (/), a kits partition you might have, on an USB sick/drive, on a NAS).


MacOS Steam Client Install Files

Both links download the same client.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230702125953if_/https://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.dmg
SHA256SUM: 5f55670c91afd3603a8a10d82a179da90744fca98f0106647891ee740ea84ba3 steam.dmg
https://web.archive.org/web/20230714110541if_/https://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.dmg
SHA256SUM: 5f55670c91afd3603a8a10d82a179da90744fca98f0106647891ee740ea84ba3 steam.dmg


Downgrade to Older CEF Steam Version with VGUI Option

Windows Downgrade Steps to Older CEF Steam Version with VGUI Option
This requires Steam client to be already installed.
I need people to test this. Let me know the build date and size of download. Also let me know if the Steam pop-up message is correct for Steam Client Updates. Thanks!
# 1 - Disable auto updates # Go to your Steam installation directory (default C:\Program Files\Steam or - for 32 bit client on a 64 bit Windows - C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam) and create a file named steam.cfg with the following contents BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disable # 2 - Downgrade client # ... for 32 bit client on 32 bit Windows # Unknown build (Windows) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be unknown KB "C:\Program Files\Steam\steam.exe" -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230702125953if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # 2b - ALTERNATIVE SNAPSHOT LINK - ? SAME CLIENT - Downgrade client # Unknown build (Windows) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be unknown KB "C:\Program Files\Steam\steam.exe" -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230616124219if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # ... for 32 bit client on a 64 bit Windows # Unknown build (Windows) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be unknown KB "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam.exe" -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230702125953if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # 2b - ALTERNATIVE SNAPSHOT LINK - ? SAME CLIENT - Downgrade client # Unknown build (Windows) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be unknown KB "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam.exe" -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230616124219if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # 3 - Run steam with VGUI # ... 32 bit client on 32 bit Windows "C:\Program Files\Steam\steam.exe" -vgui # ... for 32 bit client on a 64 bit Windows "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam.exe" -vgui # 4 - Check that updates are disabled # a. Go to Steam > Check for Steam Client Updates... # b. You should get this pop-up window: "Steam client updates have been disabled by a command line switch."


GNU/Linux Downgrade Steps to Older CEF Steam version with VGUI Option
This requires Steam client to be already installed.
# 1 - Disable auto updates printf 'BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disable ' > ~/.local/share/Steam/steam.cfg cat ~/.local/share/Steam/steam.cfg # in case you found a solution using ~/.steam/steam, it is the same thing, ~/.steam/steam is a symlink to ~/.local/share/Steam # 2 - Downgrade client # 21 June 2023 build (GNU/Linux) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be 371,644 KB steam -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230702125953if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # 2b - ALTERNATIVE SNAPSHOT LINK - OLDER CLIENT - Downgrade client # 16 June 2023 build (GNU/Linux) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be 371,738 KB steam -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230618205131if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # 3 - Run steam with VGUI steam -vgui # 4 - Check that updates are disabled # a. Go to Steam > Check for Steam Client Updates... # b. You should get this pop-up window: "Steam client updates have been disabled by a command line switch."


MacOS Downgrade Steps to Older CEF Steam version with VGUI Option
This requires Steam client to be already installed.
# 1 - Disable auto updates - use Terminal printf 'BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disable ' > ~/Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/Steam.cfg cat ~/Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/Steam.cfg # 2 - Downgrade client - first time, it might have cached the latest client update (it happened to me and got a 275,885 KB size), try again afterwards # 10 July 2023 build (macOS) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be 274,306 KB open -a Steam --args -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230702125953if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # 2b - ALTERNATIVE SNAPSHOT LINK - SAME CLIENT - Downgrade client # 10 July 2023 build (macOS) - on Valve's GUI, download size should be 274,306 KB open -a Steam --args -forcesteamupdate -forcepackagedownload -overridepackageurl https://web.archive.org/web/20230714110541if_/media.steampowered.com/client -exitsteam # 3 - Run steam with VGUI open -a Steam --args -vgui # 4 - Check that updates are disabled # a. Go to Steam > Check for Steam Client Updates... # b. You should get this pop-up window: "Your Steam client is already up-to-date."





Initial Content
Here, you will find more info about Custom Skins Q&A, StartUp options and alternative ways to block the updates.


Easier Workaround for now (though it seems like Friends List is not working all the time): start Steam in VGUI mode.

GNU/Linux & Windows*
steam -vgui

macOS**
open -a steam --args -vgui

* Windows not tested tested by other users
** macOS High Sierra tested




Later Edit: Wow! Thanks for all the awards. Now I feel like I have to tell the story on how I found out about this option:
1. After updating Steam on the newest GNU/Linux PC, I was browsing the new UI drama topics, posting along like most people reading this, and then decided to upgrade my pretty old Mac as well, just to be greeted with black windows
2. Looking up for black windows, screen, something, I found this topic on Steam For Mac, all caps: BLACKSCREEN, and inside this user had come up with a workaround: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/2/6516193260165563446/#c6516193260168282748
3. From there, I've did a bit of research on what that option meant, what other options are there and testing it out on my GNU/Linux machine. References:
- VGUI https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/VGUI_Documentation
- Steam options: from this user's post https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/616189106612574150/#c2989789048621125077 to this list https://gist.github.com/xPaw/fe7d275d31da14d70481
- new CEF based GUI engine: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework
Probably, there were other sources I've seen while trying things out, but these are the main ones.

Thanks again for the awards! If you can, please share your love with the users referenced in the Steam Community links.


Later Edit 2: Sorry OP for the mish mash of posts in this topic between the hard solution you posted and the temporary one I wrote. In the end, both are helping someone, both are trying to tackle the same problem, and any of them can be used, for now. It just depends on how much somebody wants to go to stay away from the new UI.


Later Edit 3 (2023-06-17 UTC): Additional info coming from users posts on the topic:

Custom Skins
Messaggio originale di Crystal Sharrd:
Messaggio originale di Crystal Sharrd:
Does -vgui enable custom skins again?
To answer my own question, it does.


StartUp Options other than running from a Command Line Terminal

Windows - Application Shortcut
Messaggio originale di Wiawyr:
Messaggio originale di madelai:
Where do I put that code at? Do I include "steam" as well or just "-vgui".
For the shortcut, after the "filepath" in Target, put a space and then -vgui.

Windows - Run Steam when my computer starts
Messaggio originale di JermioneGranger:
I posted this in the other discussion, but I'll post it here also.

If you have Steam launch when Windows starts, you can make it start with -vgui by adding it to the Steam registry entry at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

It will take effect the next time you restart Windows

GNU/Linux - Run Steam when my computer starts
Messaggio originale di Radoo:
On GNU/Linux...

1. when you check "Run Steam when my computer starts", Steam creates a desktop file called steam.desktop in ~/.config/autostart/. So modifying that should give you the equivalent of Windows settings;

# Force Steam VGUI on computer startup sed -r 's#^(Exec=/usr/bin/steam %U)$#\1 -vgui#' -i ~/.config/autostart/steam.desktop # Revert Steam VGUI settings on computer startup sed -r 's#^(Exec=/usr/bin/steam %U) -vgui$#\1#' -i ~/.config/autostart/steam.desktop

GNU/Linux - Change Steam to work with VGUI in any situation
Messaggio originale di Radoo:
On GNU/Linux...

2. if you want to make this work "globally", even when manually opening Steam, even from the terminal, instead of editing your Desktop/Launch bar shortcut, you can edit the steam file, which is actually a bash file.

# Force Steam VGUI globally sudo su -c 'sed -r '\''s#^(exec "\$LAUNCHSTEAMDIR/\$STEAMBOOTSTRAP" "\$@")$#\1 -vgui#'\'' -i /usr/bin/steam' # Revert Steam VGUI settings globally sudo su -c 'sed -r '\''s#^(exec "\$LAUNCHSTEAMDIR/\$STEAMBOOTSTRAP" "\$@") -vgui$#\1#'\'' -i /usr/bin/steam'


Later Edit 4 (2023-07-24 UTC): Just a heads up, I saw a few reports on the forums about -vgui option not working anymore in the latest Beta. Valve might be killing this alternative in the next update.

Anyone with limited resources should try to block any updates from now forward or just go with OP's solution.

Info found on how to block updates
Messaggio originale di Wikarian99PL:
  • Open Steam Main Folder
    Default "C:\Program Files\Steam" or Your Location
  • In this folder create File "steam.cfg" (.cfg Needs To Be File Extension, not steam.cfg.txt)
  • Paste This in our "steam.cfg" File (It will prevent form Automatic Updates)
    BootStrapperInhibitAll=Enable
    BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=False
Messaggio originale di _I_:
you can stop steam from updating

open folder
..\steam\package
delete the 'tmp' folder if there is one

create a file named 'tmp' with no extension

then steam cannot make the tmp folder to update its client files
done
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Messaggio originale di rymes:
If i want to temporarily use voice chat is there an easy way to use current version and then revert back to old UI again? or can i use both new and old clients at same time?
Just use discord. Steam's audio system has always been inferior to discord anyway. I don't know why anyone would ever use voice in steam when we have discord.
Messaggio originale di Silverkite:
Messaggio originale di <color=#ffa500>dispenser6257 :3:
wait, you guys do use voice chat?

always used TS2 and avoided skype or other means such as discord with a passion

Been a TS3 Client user for several years and it was way more efficient than forking Discord's eye candy, bloatware like handling. On that I thoroughly agree. :steamthis:

And also avoided using Skype from ever since it was acquired by Micro$oft (M$) because before that used it for work related stuff because at that time was upon a multinational and back then it was an efficient VoIP program. Now... god forbid the bloatware it has become (i.e, and I'm not even considering that always tries to force you into making an M$ account. :creatiboom:
Messaggio originale di 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
Messaggio originale di rymes:
If i want to temporarily use voice chat is there an easy way to use current version and then revert back to old UI again? or can i use both new and old clients at same time?
Just use discord. Steam's audio system has always been inferior to discord anyway. I don't know why anyone would ever use voice in steam when we have discord.
hello

Finally we are full of contradictions xd

I do not want to use the steam browser because it's insecure , i prefere using my browser and i prefer to use the voice chat system of steam instead of discord. I do not feel the need to use my email and run another tools for that when steam is able to do it natively
Ultima modifica da bidulless; 1 ott 2023, ore 14:22
Messaggio originale di bidulless:
I do not feel the need to use my email and run another tools for that when steam is able to do it natively
That doesn't change the facts that Steam's voice chat *IS* inferior to discord still. I have tried talking to friends on steam and the audio quality is awful and not clear most of the time where as it's almost always perfectly clear on discord in comparison. I always use discord and only discord for voice chat with someone on the internet as it does have the best audio quality in my experience.
Messaggio originale di lsdninja:
Messaggio originale di tyl0413:
Also yes copying a logged in install folder by default gives full access to the account, even if those files are removed various other identifying files are all over the place so while it is possible to get rid of them it's just much easier to use the force update server launch option.

The fact that Steam still keeps stuff like this in a "public" folder in 2023 is mind numbingly stupid in itself, but even stupider is the only reason they do the "right" think on Linux and possibly macOS is because those platforms give them no choice in the matter...
For all that talk about Steam Guard being unhackable it really seems easy to just take the files responsible for remembering the login state and get in that way. I suspect after the classic fake login pages the second most popular way of stealing accounts is by malware that does just that.

Messaggio originale di lsdninja:
Messaggio originale di Rose:
or maybe cause they don't consider something like someone uploading their steam folder so that others could download it

No, they're taking advantage of the fact that virtually no one on WIndows in the consumer space uses more than a single user account as an excuse to be lazy.
They do actually detect multi-user though and prompt for login on another account.

Messaggio originale di rymes:
If i want to temporarily use voice chat is there an easy way to use current version and then revert back to old UI again? or can i use both new and old clients at same time?
Maybe I don't remember right but didn't old chat used to have voice because I run it right now and it's not there. Also you can use the new chat in your Steam Overlay browser.

Messaggio originale di Mountain Months:
Messaggio originale di rymes:
If i want to temporarily use voice chat is there an easy way to use current version and then revert back to old UI again? or can i use both new and old clients at same time?
people use voice chat in steam? you know discord is a thing right
Discord needs to die already, way more so than the Steam redesign.
ok now thats just not true. who would you possibly talk to?
ive seen the way you treat people on steam. Gollum voice-you dont have any friends, nobody likes you.
Messaggio originale di 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
Messaggio originale di bidulless:
I do not feel the need to use my email and run another tools for that when steam is able to do it natively
That doesn't change the facts that Steam's voice chat *IS* inferior to discord still. I have tried talking to friends on steam and the audio quality is awful and not clear most of the time where as it's almost always perfectly clear on discord in comparison. I always use discord and only discord for voice chat with someone on the internet as it does have the best audio quality in my experience.
Messaggio originale di 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
Messaggio originale di rymes:
If i want to temporarily use voice chat is there an easy way to use current version and then revert back to old UI again? or can i use both new and old clients at same time?
Just use discord. Steam's audio system has always been inferior to discord anyway. I don't know why anyone would ever use voice in steam when we have discord.
ahh yes even more bloatware....pass. far better programs for voice chat
Messaggio originale di Rose:
Messaggio originale di lsdninja:
Similar to what Linux and possibly macOS already force them to and what has been the standard for multi-user environments for decades: keep these files somewhere under a users home folder.
and what would that help with?

Improving the Steam's Windows version security for starters. And that's simply because everyhting that's inside the user's folder is harder to get access into because those are protected folder by default and can't easily be accessed and thus preventing manipulation and/or data mining/stealing (except if you're also an Admin' upon that Windows OS).
Some people really should stop responding here, like Inigo Montoya. If you can't contribute anything useful to this discussion, don't spread hatred.
Messaggio originale di Basan™:
Improving the Steam's Windows version security for starters. And that's simply because everyhting that's inside the user's folder is harder to get access into because those are protected folder by default and can't easily be accessed and thus preventing manipulation and/or data mining/stealing (except if you're also an Admin' upon that Windows OS).
huh, then valve could do that
Messaggio originale di Rose:
huh, then valve could do that

They do. On Linux and possibly macOS (I really have to check this out at some point, but I'm in no hurry to install Steam on my Mini when it only has the stock 1TB SSD) as well, because those platforms enforce user separation more vigorously than Windows does (since it's still accounting for the bad practices it allowed 30-odd years ago).

The same laziness is why macOS is also the only platform with a 64-bit clean version of the Steam client (since Apple dropped support for 32-bit applications in Catalina) and why there's still no Apple Silicon native version of Steam yet (since Apple still allow Intel applications for now).
Messaggio originale di Hello My Name Is Inigo Montoya:
ok now thats just not true. who would you possibly talk to?
ive seen the way you treat people on steam. Gollum voice-you dont have any friends, nobody likes you.
I mainly use discord for tech support calls for people / customers that I've built computers for in the past more than anything (work stuff). Also you can see on my profile I do have a lot of steam friends.
Messaggio originale di Rose:
Some people really should stop responding here, like Inigo Montoya. If you can't contribute anything useful to this discussion, don't spread hatred.

Although I do agree with your accessment that most of us really should ignore AquaFawks's needless commenting upon this thread like I tend to do, your comment right there can also be considered as back seat moderation. A thing that, highly alas, he also excels at. :steambored:

So, as a mere improvement suggestion let's all 1st try to set the role model by example, instead of reacting to every baseless statemnet that that sort of users has been trying to spout into this very thread since it has now been glaringly visible that Valve won't enforce any rules in here that may actually come midly across as agreeing with this thread's subject. Even if those 2 things are should be clearly spread apart even according to Valve's moderation standards inside Steam's forums. :baa:
Messaggio originale di Basan™:
Although I do agree with your accessment that most of us really should ignore AquaFawks's needless commenting upon this thread like I tend to do, your comment right there can also be considered as back seat moderation. A thing that, highly alas, he also excels at. :steambored:
Unfortunately Backseat Moderating isn't a rule that can be violated or broken in the steam forums any more. Harassment is. I'm half tempted to report your comment there. "Calling out" someone in public like that is pretty damn rude. :(
Messaggio originale di Basan™:
Messaggio originale di Rose:
Some people really should stop responding here, like Inigo Montoya. If you can't contribute anything useful to this discussion, don't spread hatred.

Although I do agree with your accessment that most of us really should ignore AquaFawks's needless commenting upon this thread like I tend to do, your comment right there can also be considered as back seat moderation. A thing that, highly alas, he also excels at. :steambored:

So, as a mere improvement suggestion let's all 1st try to set the role model by example, instead of reacting to every baseless statemnet that that sort of users has been trying to spout into this very thread since it has now been glaringly visible that Valve won't enforce any rules in here that may actually come midly across as agreeing with this thread's subject. Even if those 2 things are should be clearly spread apart even according to Valve's moderation standards inside Steam's forums. :baa:
but, i love having someone i can reply to with "i aint readin allat"
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