VAC Ban always visible on third party websides

[Standby]

Hello, i reactivated my 20 years old steam account. I had a VAC ban 6410 days ago, somewhere in 2006.

I figured out that only i can still see the VAC ban information on my steam profil, for other players
it is removed after 7 years.
So i started to play a online shooter game and a got banned from server admins, and the reason was "past cheating violations on steam".

I don't know what server tools they used, but it seems that 3rd party addons still shows them the VAC ban from so many years ago.

Even if you check accounts on SteamID.pro the VAC Ban will shown.

[Chika Ogiue]

İlk olarak cSg|mc-Hotsauce tarafından gönderildi:

They don't need to use the xml. They can use their api to scrape the data automatically.

The API is still getting it from the XML data.

[Spawn of Totoro]

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

I thought it was against Steam's terms of service for a game publisher to ban you based of VAC bans from a different game.

This isn't a game developer restricting the use. It is a server admin, likely using a plug-in, that detects and kicks anyone with a VAC and/or game ban from their personal server.

So if you had a CS2 server and didn't want anyone with the name "Totoro" to play, you could use a plug-in to kick anyone who has that name from the server. Same principal here.

Nothing really to do with a game's publisher or developer.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Once again, Flame. You're only reading what you wish to read.

What is the difference between a VAC Ban and a Server Ban?
VAC bans prevent you from playing on secured servers across all of Steam. Server administrators may issue a Server ban, but these are not as severe as a VAC ban. We cannot prevent Server bans at Valve; whoever runs the server can ban players for any reason they desire.



If you find that you are banned from a large number of community servers you have likely been banned by a third-party ban tool, such as Steambans or Punkbuster. These third-party tools are used by a large number of servers sharing a common database of banned IDs. These tools are unrelated to Steam and we cannot assist you in resolving these issues.

You will not be banned by the VAC system unless you log in to a VAC-secure server with a cheat installed on your computer.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/571A-97DA-70E9-FF74#notvac

If I am running a server and I am paying for it, that means I make the rules. If I don't want former cheaters on my server, that is my choice.

There are even server plugins that will restrict any account with a game ban or VAC ban from entering the server.

As I said earlier, no one wants to play with cheaters and if I want to have a full server, it isn't going to stay that way if I allow cheaters to play along with other legitimate players. The server would eventually die.

If you do not want to be shunned or have to deal with the stigma of the ban, don't cheat or break the rules. I say this because game bans are given for other reasons besides cheating.

Valve feels the same way because griefing and smurfing are bannable offenses.


These people want to have their feelings considered, yet they weren't considering other people's feelings when they were breaking the rules and cheating previously.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

İlk olarak Leonardo Da Pinchi tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

This is what I found on it:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=607854175
"5. Do VAC bans carry over from game to game?
If you get a VAC ban in one of the Gold Source games or Source Engine, it will apply to ALL Gold Source/Source Engine games. In games like Call of Duty, if you cheat in Black Ops lll, it won't apply to Modern Warfare 3.

List of Gold Source Games:

Counter-Strike
Condition Zero
Ricochet
Day of Defeat
Team Fortress Classic
Half-Life: Deathmatch
Deathmatch Classic

List of Source Engine Games:

Counter-Strike: Source
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
Day of Defeat: Source
Team Fortress 2"

That just means games sharing the same source engine, the VAC can potentially spread to other games using the same engine.

That doesn't stop say in OP's case, where a server admin finds a ban, and manually bans from the server.

Given there's no ban listed on OP's account, it's also safe to assume it's a community server, or Rust which still uses VAC's banlist.

Potentially doesn't factor into it, that's how it works. If he would actually read the information instead of the guides, it says the exact same thing.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29#application

Note that it says that it WILL result in a VAC ban in the following games.

[PaulKrawitz]

İlk olarak potato tarafından gönderildi:

vac bans don't expire, they're permanent

only the text is removed after 7 years

Why though?

[D. Flame]

İlk olarak C²C^Guyver |NZB| tarafından gönderildi:

-snip-

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat

Q: Can I use bans in other games to block users from playing in my game?

A: No. VAC and Game bans should only prevent the user from playing on VAC secured servers in the game they received a ban in. A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game.

[Chompman]

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak C²C^Guyver |NZB| tarafından gönderildi:

-snip-

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat

Q: Can I use bans in other games to block users from playing in my game?

A: No. VAC and Game bans should only prevent the user from playing on VAC secured servers in the game they received a ban in. A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game.

It's not being used to block a person from playing a game but on a private server and this is common in a lot of them to block known cheaters and allowed.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak C²C^Guyver |NZB| tarafından gönderildi:

-snip-

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat

Q: Can I use bans in other games to block users from playing in my game?

A: No. VAC and Game bans should only prevent the user from playing on VAC secured servers in the game they received a ban in. A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game.

Read the entire post, instead of just what you want to read.

Server admins can do whatever they like.

"We cannot prevent Server bans at Valve; whoever runs the server can ban players for any reason they desire.'


Also yes, servers can permanently ban that Steam ID.

Also, the other part that you forgot to read or chose not to read, same engine = ban

[D. Flame]

İlk olarak C²C^Guyver |NZB| tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat

Read the entire post, instead of just what you want to read.

Server admins can do whatever they like.

"We cannot prevent Server bans at Valve; whoever runs the server can ban players for any reason they desire.'


Also yes, servers can permanently ban that Steam ID.

Also, the other part that you forgot to read or chose not to read, same engine = ban

The link is pretty clear. "A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game."

[Chompman]

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak C²C^Guyver |NZB| tarafından gönderildi:

Read the entire post, instead of just what you want to read.

Server admins can do whatever they like.

"We cannot prevent Server bans at Valve; whoever runs the server can ban players for any reason they desire.'


Also yes, servers can permanently ban that Steam ID.

Also, the other part that you forgot to read or chose not to read, same engine = ban

The link is pretty clear. "A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game."

It's clear you are not reading the replies talking about privately hosted servers as they have the right to enforce any rules they wish and a lot will auto ban people with vac / game bans on their account history.

[D. Flame]

İlk olarak Chompman tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

The link is pretty clear. "A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game."

It's clear you are not reading the replies talking about privately hosted servers as they have the right to enforce any rules they wish and a lot will auto ban people with vac / game bans on their account history.

I read them just fine. Steam said that they cannot stop you from being banned from their servers, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still against Steam's ToS.

I am asking the best types of apples, and you're over there shouting about oranges.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Chompman tarafından gönderildi:

It's clear you are not reading the replies talking about privately hosted servers as they have the right to enforce any rules they wish and a lot will auto ban people with vac / game bans on their account history.

I read them just fine. Steam said that they cannot stop you from being banned from their servers, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still against Steam's ToS.

I am asking the best types of apples, and you're over there shouting about oranges.

It's clearly not against the TOS when Valve themselves tell you that they cannot prevent it. One more time. Please read what the information being given actually says.

[ุ]

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Chompman tarafından gönderildi:

It's clear you are not reading the replies talking about privately hosted servers as they have the right to enforce any rules they wish and a lot will auto ban people with vac / game bans on their account history.

I read them just fine. Steam said that they cannot stop you from being banned from their servers, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still against Steam's ToS.

I am asking the best types of apples, and you're over there shouting about oranges.

There's a difference from being officially banned from a game and being banned from a community server however.

[Chompman]

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Chompman tarafından gönderildi:

It's clear you are not reading the replies talking about privately hosted servers as they have the right to enforce any rules they wish and a lot will auto ban people with vac / game bans on their account history.

I read them just fine. Steam said that they cannot stop you from being banned from their servers, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still against Steam's ToS.

I am asking the best types of apples, and you're over there shouting about oranges.

It's only for when the game company itself bans people who have a vac ban.

This does not apply for private servers that are hosted by third parties like player servers are.

[D. Flame]

İlk olarak C²C^Guyver |NZB| tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak D. Flame tarafından gönderildi:

I read them just fine. Steam said that they cannot stop you from being banned from their servers, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still against Steam's ToS.

I am asking the best types of apples, and you're over there shouting about oranges.

It's clearly not against the TOS when Valve themselves tell you that they cannot prevent it. One more time. Please read what the information being given actually says.

That's not how it works. It is against the law to rob banks, but banks get robbed everyday. That doesn't magically mean that it is no longer against the law, just because they could not be prevented.