Account Hijacked on the 18th

[DragonsREpic]

this is my convo to Steam support (thy blame me)
bare with me its a bit long but they just copy paste.
I am asking for an outside perspective

Message from you on Mar 19 @ 11:17pm | 2 days ago
I am looking EVERYWHERE to get help with my issue. I think my account was hacked on the 18. My email out of no where was getting FLOODED with trades saying I had posted random trades and 5 items baught after. I want my items back as this was clealy not me. over 100 cards/items were sold in just a few minutes. Thats flat out impossible!
NO I have NEVER nor WOULD give my account details to anyone. Nobody knows by my self. I don't know what happend but it was completly out of no where. I dont see anything else wrong but the cards/ items sold/bought. Can you remove the history too? I can't find help anywhere please help. I wasn't even on steam!
DragonsREpic
Message from you on Mar 19 @ 11:21pm | 2 days ago
I have been using Steam since 2011 and this has NEVER happend before. My life is on Steam. Please tell me how to fx this mess. I beg you Support!. I don't know what to do to fix this mess
Message from Steam Support on Mar 20 @ 12:31pm | 1 day and 21 hours ago
Hi,

Thank you for reaching out Steam Support.

I'm sorry that you account was hijacked.

It appears that the account was indeed compromised. Upon checking, it looks that you were able to secure it with the password reset. Since the credential change we do not see any new logins from other locations or devices.

I've reviewed the account's security history so let me provide you some details on this hijacking.

It looks like the hijacker accessed your account first time on 23-10-2023. They knew your account name, password, and had your authenticator code from the Steam Mobile app on your phone. In most cases, hijackers get this information through phishing sites. These sites look legitimate and are often tied with trading or tournaments but are intended to steal your login details - sometimes the malicious sites can even look like the Steam.

The other way this might have happened is through malware. Note that not all malware is detectable by anti-virus software, especially if it's newer malware or malware that's hardly used. Even though you have anti-virus on your device, it may not always detect malicious software. Accounts that become hijacked using malware often may not show any signs of being accessed outside of your region.

After ensuring that your computer is secure, please update the password to your e-mail account and any other accounts you have recently logged into.

Also, please closely review our Account Security Recommendations.

I'm sorry but all Community Market transactions are final and cannot be reversed or refunded. When an item is purchased from the Community Market, the cost is sent from the buyer's Steam wallet to the seller's. Reversing these purchases would mean we have to take funds out of the seller's wallet, creating confusion and possible purchasing issues across Steam.

Again, I'm sorry we can't be of more help with this, but we don't reverse or refund Community Market purchases and sales. We also do not restore stolen or lost items.

Additional information can be found in our Community Market and Steam Item Restoration Policy articles.

Steam Support
Kami
DragonsREpic
Message from you on Mar 20 @ 12:54pm | 1 day and 21 hours ago
I absolutely do not believe it was accessed from 2023. That's impossible. Nothing happend until the 18th. I talked to a friend of mine and was just informed that its because I was using Windows 7 knowing that at the time I dont have the money for a new computer and that my system built in 2015 was to old to change saying the good news is that they lowered the requiermnts but I have to buy some license. He recommended Linux/SteamOS knowing I absolutely despise anything after windows 7. The 18th is when everything happend. I called my mom as I was not at my desktop that had W7 and she unplugged it for me which is strange bc I have cellular internet router. So I dont really know what happend. Its like im being punished for being poor. its so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and unfair. My 2FA didnt even stop it. I was never told ANYTHING untill the trades were being posted and of course they sold quickly. Why isnt literal identity theift being stopped. Why didn't 2FA even work. I NEVER told ANYONE my passwords. I didnt even conform trades eaither Seconds befor I did noticed it wanted me to conform trades. Bc I never had my steam hacked before I didn't know any better. I was caught completly of gaurd. I was on youtube and didnt touch steam!

Im autistic and Steam has been a massive part of my life. It actually keeps me sane. I grew up extreamly alone with no siblings so gaming has been extreamly importaint to me. I never asked this. I have done nothing to nobody. Suchs thing every so often happen behind my back its extreamly immoral. Chances are I would be in prision If i met such unscupulous "people". Its just not fair. I didn't ask for any of this...
Message from Steam Support on Mar 20 @ 8:57pm | 1 day and 13 hours ago
Thank you for waiting. We understand how you feel about this.

For your question, I will provide more information to clarify about this hijacking event.

We have noticed that there was suspicious login attempt on 23-10-2023. Since that day, you have not updated your account password until 18-03-2025. Hijackers might get your account information through malware and started to compromise your Steam account on 18-03-2025.

Hijackings involving malware are often done using similar methods to phishing sites or social engineering, except that the goal is to get the user to install software that will compromise their computer. Since auto login is common, if a hijacker gets access to a computer, they usually can access a users Steam account and email accounts. For instance, a hijacker might convince a user to download malware by convincing them that it's a plugin or communication software needed to play in a tournament.

We have some tips for removing malware from your computer here. It may be a good idea to contact a local computer security expert if you're having trouble removing this malware. After ensuring that your computer is secure, please update the password to your e-mail and any other accounts you have recently logged into.

If you haven’t yet, please take a look at our account security recommendations article, which outlines ways you can protect your account and what to watch out for.

If you have further question, please let us know.

Steam Support
Matt
DragonsREpic
Message from you on Mar 21 @ 10:29pm | 11 hours ago
You clearly haven't read my message at all and gave a similar response to your previous on. Please read it.

I have already changed my password as you have stated from the beginning.

You mentioned that all trades are final which is funny because I never even sold or bought anything to my knowledge. All Items were earned and never purchased. So Technically its not final.

2FA never even worked. So how the hell did they even get in?

You never mentioned about my friend what so ever.

You never mentioned Window 7 because I am poor

I have many screenshots I can send next if need be that are on my phone I took. Which you absolutely need to see.

You are claiming it was autherized a year and 4 months ago. I took a screenshot it says it was from Sha Kiu Tsuen, Hong Kong, HK with an IP address of 103.97.2.41

I removed the device from my account when I saw this.

Please understand my position and have compassion

You are basicly saying that it was accessed where I normal live in America.
Then you say Hong Kong too? Now what do you think are the chances I would randomly go to Hong Kong when I have no will, reason or money to? If you read this will you give me the answer to 45 + 20 = x. Find x

See how this email is a respectful response to yours and not a copy/paste?

If your just going to do this copy paste. I want someone who actually cares about us gamers.

I show you respect, so please show me the same

This is Steam. I expect someone to at the very least to read my message and not a copy paste with things I already know.

This is lit like going to the police and saying your car is gone and there only response was you just drove your car in Hong Kong.
DragonsREpic
Message from you on Mar 21 @ 11:02pm | 11 hours ago
Screenshots I took
Files attached: Screenshot_20250318-143221_Steam.jpg Screenshot_20250318-134057_Steam.jpg 20250319_222347.jpg
DragonsREpic
Message from you on Mar 21 @ 11:03pm | 11 hours ago
Wait I cant look to make sure its the correct screenshots and that does t contain non steam personal info?
Message from Steam Support on Mar 22 @ 6:06am | 4 hours ago
Thank you for your patience and reply.

We understand your situation.

Don't worry. The screenshots you provided only include the Steam related information.

I could see you had authorized the suspicious login on 10/23/2023 PT.

You had to received a notification to deny or approve this login in mobile App, and it looks like you approved the login.

Something like this could happen if you logged in to a 3rd party websites using QR feature.

The other way this might have happened is through malware.

Hijackers can use malware to gain access to your computer and login to your account using your already authorized device. Since your Steam account could be logged in or you have your account credentials saved, the hijacker does not need to know anything about your account to gain access.

We have some tips for removing malware from your computer here. It may be a good idea to contact a local computer security expert if you're having trouble removing this malware. After ensuring that your computer is secure, please update the password to your Steam account, e-mail, and any other accounts you have recently logged into.

But just a heads up that there are several ways that a hijacker might use to get a hold of an account that's why we recommend that you check out our Account Security Recommendations.

I’m sorry to hear that your account was used without your permission.

I understand that it's upsetting to hear that we can't restore your items and reverse Market activity. I also know that your items are valuable to you, so I want to help you get the right tools and information to keep your items secure.

Again, I'm sorry we are not able to restore your items.

To learn how to avoid scams or hijackings, please see our Trade Scam article.

Since there's not much more that I can say or do to be of help with this particular issue, I am going to close this help request.

If you have questions on an unrelated issue, please create a new help request and we will be happy to help you.

Steam Support
Lucy

[pckirk]

You are the only one responsible for the safety of your steam account as per the SSA / TOS that you agreed too.

Only you know your log in username... No one else.

Accounts are phished not hacked.

You gave away all your account details.

The account name, the password and the KEY to the door, the Steam Guard Mobile code giving them access to the account.

How? by either logging into a known scam site or item sell sites, fake steam log-in websites, or by tailored malware on your PC, the vote for my team scam, you have a pending ban scam on Discord, free knife click the link etc.

How does Steam (a program) know it is not you when all the account details are correct? It doesn't, therefore any action taken on your account is seen as you doing said actions.

The alternative is not plausible:

1) Someone would have to "GUESS" your account name from "millions of possible combinations".

2) Next they would have to "GUESS" your password from "millions of possible combinations" and then match it to your account name with "millions of possible combinations".

3) And finally they would have to "GUESS" the Steam Guard Mobile code "which changes every 30 seconds" to match both your account name and password to then have access your account.

Your account was phished / hijacked. Follow steps 1- 7 to secure your account:

1. Scan for malware https://www.malwarebytes.com/

2. Check that the email and phone number on the Steam account are still yours.

3. Deauthorize all other devices https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage

4. Change passwords from a trusted/clean device.

5. Generate new backup codes for your Mobile App https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage

6. Revoke the API key https://steamcommunity.com/dev/apikey (there should be nothing in the APIKEY)

7. Make sure your steam recovery email account is secure

Steam will NOT return lost funds or Items.

[Ben Lubar]

Let's assume for a moment that there's some way to hijack a Steam account without interacting with the owner at all. Why did they go for your account rather than a game developer's account, a professional esports player's account, one with thousands of dollars worth of items, or even a Valve admin account?

So the variable has to be you. That doesn't mean they're accusing you of losing your account on purpose. It just means that something you did (probably accidentally) let the thieves in.

[Thiesen]

At some point in ttime you loged in to a third party "tgrading" sitte using YOUR STeam credentials...

The scammers can sit On that information for YEARS untill they get to your account...

YOU WHERE PHISHED!!!

[Chika Ogiue]

Originally posted by DragonsREpic:

I absolutely do not believe it was accessed from 2023. That's impossible. Nothing happend until the 18th.

This is where you are wrong. Phishers can sleep on accounts for years before they try the login information or do anything else with it. All this tells us is that you didn't change your credentials at all during that time.

[RPG Gamer Man]

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:

Originally posted by DragonsREpic:

I absolutely do not believe it was accessed from 2023. That's impossible. Nothing happend until the 18th.

This is where you are wrong. Phishers can sleep on accounts for years before they try the login information or do anything else with it. All this tells us is that you didn't change your credentials at all during that time.

Ture. I even read about a person waiting 5 years to go back to a alternative account.

[DragonsREpic]

Originally posted by pckirk:

You are the only one responsible for the safety of your steam account as per the SSA / TOS that you agreed too.

Only you know your log in username... No one else.

Accounts are phished not hacked.

You gave away all your account details.

The account name, the password and the KEY to the door, the Steam Guard Mobile code giving them access to the account.

How? by either logging into a known scam site or item sell sites, fake steam log-in websites, or by tailored malware on your PC, the vote for my team scam, you have a pending ban scam on Discord, free knife click the link etc.

How does Steam (a program) know it is not you when all the account details are correct? It doesn't, therefore any action taken on your account is seen as you doing said actions.

The alternative is not plausible:

1) Someone would have to "GUESS" your account name from "millions of possible combinations".

2) Next they would have to "GUESS" your password from "millions of possible combinations" and then match it to your account name with "millions of possible combinations".

3) And finally they would have to "GUESS" the Steam Guard Mobile code "which changes every 30 seconds" to match both your account name and password to then have access your account.

Your account was phished / hijacked. Follow steps 1- 7 to secure your account:

1. Scan for malware https://www.malwarebytes.com/

2. Check that the email and phone number on the Steam account are still yours.

3. Deauthorize all other devices https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage

4. Change passwords from a trusted/clean device.

5. Generate new backup codes for your Mobile App https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage

6. Revoke the API key https://steamcommunity.com/dev/apikey (there should be nothing in the APIKEY)

7. Make sure your steam recovery email account is secure

Steam will NOT return lost funds or Items.

I app the help...

I certainly didn't give my details at least willingly. I would never do that.
I have been using windows 7 up until the hack. The desktop that has it is never going to have internet again. W7 had a good run. If I known this would happen i would of not used it. This is a good but only reason I am not going to go online with it anymore. I have had my account since 2011 and will protect it at all cost. I am vehemently against anything after Win7. Just because there are EVIL ppl out there doesn't change the fact. This is a humanity problem.

I will be using my steam deck from now on. Does it suck? sure. But I still have my account minus 9 dollars. I just go to the normal sites as I have done. I have windows defender and malwarebytes and neaither detected any infection.

Steam claims i auth it 1y 4m ago. Which I don't buy it. My friend who does security says win 7 is old and has security problems which might explain that.

So im not going to do scan as nothing is going to show up. Im thinking it was just a windows 7 vulnability which would also explain why my 2FA did absolutly nothing and didnt notify me of anything. I was notified about it when steam sent me emails saying my stuff was being posted. Ididnt do anything but deauthorized it and it seemed to stop it. I took a screenshot and it said " Sha Kiu Tsuen, Hong Kong, HK (103.97.2.41)" I have never been to Chyna

As phishing goes I never entered my info into anything that wasnt Steam. Nor was I contacted by anyone to my knowledge eaither. I don't think blaming the user so much and pushing that solves anything

To make this stop...
1) I think what SHOULD be done is that you should be able to lock you account access say for instance if you live in texas. You can lock all access to outside ur state. Unless you are going on vacation youcan auth only 1 or more devices you aregoing to take. Im sure the system can tell that.

2) There should be a limit how many trades you can make in a minute. Im thinking of 5. It definitely limits these trades. Or you would have to go to your email and send a reply to say a trade server. You can turn this off or on at will. Even if you don't want to go through. It would be on by default. Or a hard limit of say 10 trades per day. Everything has aback up/limit. Giving the user MUCH needed time to find out.

3) There needs to be some kinda panic/lockdown button automatic or there are so many trades. I prob lost 10 items a minute, posibly more. Its extremely obvious thats a hijacked account.

I might be able to think of more but im autistic and have all ready made a superior system.

My only "crime" is being poor

2) Just checked. My account details are still the same

3) already de-authorized devices the day that it happened

4) password was changed on safe device. (its MUCH stronger/longer and completely random that only I know)

5) new codes generated

6) I have no idea what an APIKEY is can you explain? Is it safe to click that link you gave me? I look it up something about on your website. I don't have a website. I dont understand.

7) My email has never been hacked and I have had it for a very long time. So im good there. even have it bio-locked as well.


You have been more helpful that support and I really app that, really. Thank you!

[RPG Gamer Man]

It is possible that your pc was compromised since your still using windows 7 at that time. It is a out of date Operating System, and this is a problem with people using older operating systems. Their safety and security go downhill since microsoft does not support them anymore. By using it, your using it on a "USE AT YOUR OWN RISK". So technically, this is one possibly vector how the scammers got a hold on your account.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by DragonsREpic:

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All that, and you missed this.........

You are responsible for the confidentiality of your login and password and for the security of your computer system. Valve is not responsible for the use of your password and Account or for all of the communication and activity on Steam that results from use of your login name and password by you, or by any person to whom you may have intentionally or by negligence disclosed your login and/or password in violation of this confidentiality provision.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

and this:

Watch out for Account Hijacking:

NEVER give out your password to anyone.

NEVER click unknown links from untrusted sources, and check links sent by your friends. Their account may be compromised!

NEVER follow instructions to speak with someone claiming to represent Steam Support through Discord or any other chat system, even if they come from a friend's account or claim to be able to resolve a false report.

ALWAYS make sure you log out when finished at a cafe! Deauthorize untrusted device immediately if you forgot to log out.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6639-EB3C-EC79-FF60

Originally posted by DragonsREpic:

Originally posted by pckirk:

You are the only one responsible for the safety of your steam account as per the SSA / TOS that you agreed too.

Only you know your log in username... No one else.

Accounts are phished not hacked.

You gave away all your account details.

The account name, the password and the KEY to the door, the Steam Guard Mobile code giving them access to the account.

How? by either logging into a known scam site or item sell sites, fake steam log-in websites, or by tailored malware on your PC, the vote for my team scam, you have a pending ban scam on Discord, free knife click the link etc.

How does Steam (a program) know it is not you when all the account details are correct? It doesn't, therefore any action taken on your account is seen as you doing said actions.

The alternative is not plausible:

1) Someone would have to "GUESS" your account name from "millions of possible combinations".

2) Next they would have to "GUESS" your password from "millions of possible combinations" and then match it to your account name with "millions of possible combinations".

3) And finally they would have to "GUESS" the Steam Guard Mobile code "which changes every 30 seconds" to match both your account name and password to then have access your account.

Your account was phished / hijacked. Follow steps 1- 7 to secure your account:

1. Scan for malware https://www.malwarebytes.com/

2. Check that the email and phone number on the Steam account are still yours.

3. Deauthorize all other devices https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage

4. Change passwords from a trusted/clean device.

5. Generate new backup codes for your Mobile App https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage

6. Revoke the API key https://steamcommunity.com/dev/apikey (there should be nothing in the APIKEY)

7. Make sure your steam recovery email account is secure

Steam will NOT return lost funds or Items.

I app the help...

I certainly didn't give my details at least willingly. I would never do that.
I have been using windows 7 up until the hack. The desktop that has it is never going to have internet again. W7 had a good run. If I known this would happen i would of not used it. This is a good but only reason I am not going to go online with it anymore. I have had my account since 2011 and will protect it at all cost. I am vehemently against anything after Win7. Just because there are EVIL ppl out there doesn't change the fact. This is a humanity problem.

I will be using my steam deck from now on. Does it suck? sure. But I still have my account minus 9 dollars. I just go to the normal sites as I have done. I have windows defender and malwarebytes and neaither detected any infection.

Steam claims i auth it 1y 4m ago. Which I don't buy it. My friend who does security says win 7 is old and has security problems which might explain that.

So im not going to do scan as nothing is going to show up. Im thinking it was just a windows 7 vulnability which would also explain why my 2FA did absolutly nothing and didnt notify me of anything. I was notified about it when steam sent me emails saying my stuff was being posted. Ididnt do anything but deauthorized it and it seemed to stop it. I took a screenshot and it said " Sha Kiu Tsuen, Hong Kong, HK (103.97.2.41)" I have never been to Chyna

As phishing goes I never entered my info into anything that wasnt Steam. Nor was I contacted by anyone to my knowledge eaither. I don't think blaming the user so much and pushing that solves anything

To make this stop...
1) I think what SHOULD be done is that you should be able to lock you account access say for instance if you live in texas. You can lock all access to outside ur state. Unless you are going on vacation youcan auth only 1 or more devices you aregoing to take. Im sure the system can tell that.

2) There should be a limit how many trades you can make in a minute. Im thinking of 5. It definitely limits these trades. Or you would have to go to your email and send a reply to say a trade server. You can turn this off or on at will. Even if you don't want to go through. It would be on by default. Or a hard limit of say 10 trades per day. Everything has aback up/limit. Giving the user MUCH needed time to find out.

3) There needs to be some kinda panic/lockdown button automatic or there are so many trades. I prob lost 10 items a minute, posibly more. Its extremely obvious thats a hijacked account.

I might be able to think of more but im autistic and have all ready made a superior system.

My only "crime" is being poor

2) Just checked. My account details are still the same

3) already de-authorized devices the day that it happened

4) password was changed on safe device. (its MUCH stronger/longer and completely random that only I know)

5) new codes generated

6) I have no idea what an APIKEY is can you explain? Is it safe to click that link you gave me? I look it up something about on your website. I don't have a website. I dont understand.

7) My email has never been hacked and I have had it for a very long time. So im good there. even have it bio-locked as well.


You have been more helpful that support and I really app that, really. Thank you!

You did give them away. Willing or unwilling, it's the only way a hijack happens.

[DragonsREpic]

Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

Let's assume for a moment that there's some way to hijack a Steam account without interacting with the owner at all. Why did they go for your account rather than a game developer's account, a professional esports player's account, one with thousands of dollars worth of items, or even a Valve admin account?

So the variable has to be you. That doesn't mean they're accusing you of losing your account on purpose. It just means that something you did (probably accidentally) let the thieves in.

The IP said is was some place in Hong Kong. If that doesn tell you its not me then nothing will. I have a feeling it was bc I was using Win7 as my thinking was that if something isnt broken dont fix it. The desktop i normaly use will never be on line any more to be absolutly sure. Sure it sucks but its better than being hacked/hijacked. I guess this is the only reason i will stop using Win7. Its been great and flawless up to this point. I have looked around and I saw a post saying this has happend to 77,000 account. I am thinking this is prob caused by ppl using old operating systems like Win7. I did exaclty what the previous post said to do 0 the API thing as I have to click on a link and something I have 0 knowledge of. Im not a cycber security person, im a welder. I would never think the average person or even gamer would understand such things. I bought and got all my items back and it only cost less than 9 dollars. I would have certainly payed more tha 9 dollars. Based on the evidence I am conviced it clearly was a professional as my 2FA did not work or notify me about this. Pointing to Win7. They used a program to sell 10 items a minute. But I deauth before it got worse and everything is ok....I will say i don't wish this on anyone. F such "people" of course. Its clear it was to collect money or at the very least screw with ppls account. Just bad eaither way. Its obvious there are others than I found had there items randomly sold. My heart goes out to them. There needs to be some type of awareness for those that understand security. I have listed many reasons above me ways to stop if not ever start. Im sure it was to find vulnerabilities. My OS just happened to have it. Being poor is absolutely punished in society,

I will say demonizing the user so much doesnt help anyone. This is just offensive and im very rarely offended. there is absolutly ways to prevent this. ANYBODY can fall for anything. It doesnt mean its there fault. Steps need to be done in this case Steam to auto lock accounts that for instant sell 10 fackin items a minute for one. Its like common sense isnt a thing anymore. Because ppl make mistakes esp on accident blaming and pointing fingers only divides us...

[HIVEmind]

why win7. how come you didnt upgrade to 10 or 11? you should of known win7 is vulnerable and full of holes. staying ment you have some knolege of it to defend it.

[DragonsREpic]

Originally posted by RPG Gamer Man:

It is possible that your pc was compromised since your still using windows 7 at that time. It is a out of date Operating System, and this is a problem with people using older operating systems. Their safety and security go downhill since microsoft does not support them anymore. By using it, your using it on a "USE AT YOUR OWN RISK". So technically, this is one possibly vector how the scammers got a hold on your account.

Thats my thinking. because no of this happend in the years i have had steam. I just used Win 7 bc i never had an issue with it. Im just going off my limited knoledge. I will agnoledge I should have jsut used my steam deck. Its unfortunate this happends to anyone. I wouldn't have stopped using it since Its by far the best OS. being hacked/hijacked is simply a human problem. Nobody even agnoledged it. Besides the win 7 i believe it was prob unevitable and it makes since why 2fa did nothing and that steam says i auth it 1y 4m ago and the access said freakin hong kong. If that doesnt tell you it wasnt me then NOTHING WILL. thx for your understanding which steam seems incapable of. I exspect better from steam reguardless.

[RPG Gamer Man]

I actually have a windows xp because it play some games i like that does not work on moderm pc's. If you do happen to use a older pc, never connect it to the internet. That is what i do with my windows xp pc.

[DragonsREpic]

Originally posted by HIVEmind:

why win7. how come you didnt upgrade to 10 or 11? you should of known win7 is vulnerable and full of holes. staying ment you have some knolege of it to defend it.

bc i hear constant problems with 10 and 11 but 10 being better. In fact i recently heard theres 53% of gamers now on win 10. As far as not doing it. my mom has windows 10 and i fking lothe it I struggle to navigate it. The more I try to help my mom with stuff the more i despiese even Win 10. They say people dont like chance. Thats bc we are living in a dystopia where freedoms have been slowly taken away. Cars are insanly exspenice than any reasonable person could afford. I hear that the Kei car from Japan is literlly banned bc its so cheap. Even that new toyota pickup will not be sold in Amerca. I see the same bs everywhere. Steam is one of the few places that is pro consumer. The rest like microsoft are out to make money. Its not about making a profit anymore is about fking over the average person now. This has been happening since vehicles started to become fking MASSIVE. vehicles have damn need DOUBLED in weight over that past 20 ish years. This is about gov and companies not giving a damn. When profit is above people everyone looses.

[RPG Gamer Man]

Some versions of Windows 11 can be buggy, but my use of windows 11 has been pretty bug free. The one big issue with windows 11 is it has alot of bloatware though.

[HIVEmind]

Originally posted by RPG Gamer Man:

I actually have a windows xp because it play some games i like that does not work on moderm pc's. If you do happen to use a older pc, never connect it to the internet. That is what i do with my windows xp pc.

xp i understand. hospitals still use it. but win7 and 8 got a free update path to win10 and 11