Steam stopped working in Windows 8.1

[Ahmad]

Now Steam is forcing me to replace my perfectly working Windows 8.1 with a totally unnecessary Windows 10 just to play a game that runs perfectly in Windows 98.

[Piston Smashed™]

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More spying

Why are people so worried about being spied on their PC's but will then give access to microphone, location and god knows what else on their phones which can track far more, just so they can look at a picture of a cat?

[crunchyfrog]

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More spying

Why are people so worried about being spied on their PC's but will then give access to microphone, location and god knows what else on their phones which can track far more, just so they can look at a picture of a cat?

Ah you hit the nail on the head.

Many people who go to the nth degree on things on the PC give loads away or don't pay attention in other avenues of their lives.

It's all rather silly.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

İlk olarak Princess Luna tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but why do a non gamer person need win 11?

More spying and less ability for uset to control the os?
More crappy AAA?

The current version of all professional software (Adobe, Blender, Microsoft Office, etc) all requires Windows 10 minimum. And no people can't use older versions of those apps because they have to share their work with other people who also use the current version so they must also use the same new version of the software as everyone else. Like I said above: The only people using Windows 7 today are either people that had it installed on their computer in the past and never moved on or hobbyist folks at home that wilfully install it on their own computer. No one is paying to have Windows 7 installed on a new computer today, even if it can run it.

[Master.Constructor]

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I wish I could trust Microsoft with my Windows updates but that' proven to be untrue. When people were paying me to uninstall Windows 10 and recover / reinstall Windows 7 it really opened my eyes.

If it's recently then it sounds very questionable if it was when 7 still had full support from Microsoft like 2015-2019 then I could understand them

But just like any Windows release, People will hate the newer version of Windows as its different for quite long while but then they will upgrade to it anyway. be it direct upgrade or buying a new computer

Same happened when Win98SE users did swear that XP was a disaster at launch, only to upgrade themselves in 2005-2006
Same with XP users upgrading in 2010-2011 to Windows 7 not cause they wanted but rather the older OS was hitting it's limitations in terms of hardware support and software support. Battlefield 3 was quite a big push for XP users to upgrade
Same with Win7 users moving to Win10 and the cycle will keep on going

Correct, this happened in the early days of Win10, some agreed to the update marketing but some did not. There were plenty of utils available to shut up the Windows 10 update marketing & push but most people were not aware of them. Sure it was extra business for me but the frustration it caused was not really worth it. There was definitely some unrecoverable data loss in that flood.

It's so nice to have an OS that I don't have to fight anymore. No more marketing or spyware from Microsoft. Long live Win7, etc, etc.

[RedLightning]

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Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but why do a non gamer person need win 11?

More spying and less ability for uset to control the os?
More crappy AAA?

I've already detail why.

Many people get it as standard on the PC they buy.

Many users aren't gamers, or have varied and different use cases.

If you wanted to use Linux, you'd have to physically remove Windows and then install it. And that doesn't make any sense.

And Windows isn't as bad as you claim. It simply doesn't impact those people in that way.

I'm still on 10 for the time being and I will go to 11 when I find a moment to do so. But for me, Linux won't work. I don't believe as many games will work and my audio equipment certainly doesn't.

You seem to be assuming everyone thinks like you.

Huh... you do not have to 'physically remove windows' .. you can dual boot just fine, as I do.

You can also 'use' linux right from a thumbdrive...

[crunchyfrog]

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I've already detail why.

Many people get it as standard on the PC they buy.

Many users aren't gamers, or have varied and different use cases.

If you wanted to use Linux, you'd have to physically remove Windows and then install it. And that doesn't make any sense.

And Windows isn't as bad as you claim. It simply doesn't impact those people in that way.

I'm still on 10 for the time being and I will go to 11 when I find a moment to do so. But for me, Linux won't work. I don't believe as many games will work and my audio equipment certainly doesn't.

You seem to be assuming everyone thinks like you.

Huh... you do not have to 'physically remove windows' .. you can dual boot just fine, as I do.

You can also 'use' linux right from a thumbdrive...

Sure, but the point is even if you don't it's still effort they're not going to do. Do you get the point?

[RedLightning]

Really was not much effort.

I do know that from my experience, windows is really no easier to install and use than linux when you get to the nitty gritty.

I guess its what people are fed over the years and what they are used to.

I know when I first started computers, it was all just as complicated as Linux seems to be for many.

If they want to stay with windows.. no problem... if they want to move to linux no problem.

I just do not understand the absolute support for windows.. unless of course you factor in all the billions that MS has fed into propaganda, and hardware control.

Sick of MS controlling the show, personally, there needs to be other players besides the likes of APPLE.

Thankfully linux has come a LONG way and is a semi-viable solution to those that want to switch.

I get the point.. but at the same time I do not.

I'm glad for Linux and the fact that I do not have to be led around by a leash by the likes of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ corporation like Microsoft.

In my humble opinion.

Honestly I wish Commodore was still in the scene... I miss the Amiga, now that was a system, much like linux.

[crunchyfrog]

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Really was not much effort.

I do know that from my experience, windows is really no easier to install and use than linux when you get to the nitty gritty.

I guess its what people are fed over the years and what they are used to.

I know when I first started computers, it was all just as complicated as Linux seems to be for many.

If they want to stay with windows.. no problem... if they want to move to linux no problem.

I just do not understand the absolute support for windows.. unless of course you factor in all the billions that MS has fed into propaganda, and hardware control.

Sick of MS controlling the show, personally, there needs to be other players besides the likes of APPLE.

Thankfully linux has come a LONG way and is a semi-viable solution to those that want to switch.

I get the point.. but at the same time I do not.

I'm glad for Linux and the fact that I do not have to be led around by a leash by the likes of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ corporation like Microsoft.

In my humble opinion.

Honestly I wish Commodore was still in the scene... I miss the Amiga, now that was a system, much like linux.

You are so missing the point.

It wasn't much effort FOR YOU.

But you are not everybody. And you are not the same as everyone else.

That's the problem. The majority of people who use Windows as has been pointed out countless times already, are not even slightly familiar with computers. Tehy're casual users at best.

And the mere fact they exist and are customers means this won't ever be viable.

You can't get round this basic empathy.

[RedLightning]

Of course, I always miss the point.. the point I have is the MS has way too much power, via way too much money. People are programmed in a way, by MS.

So yea. That is my point.

They have so much power that they can leash anyone into anything, including a MS storefront they call windows.

All windows does is sell stuff to people, MS and all their cronies.

Sad times.

Oh well. You can fight and defend windows all ya like. I, on the other hand, am not supporting windows or Microsoft's crap anymore.

Education goes a long way, and with MS and their money, the education may never come. MS can have the codex and the people are illiterate, in a way, I guess you are right.

[crunchyfrog]

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Of course, I always miss the point.. the point I have is the MS has way too much power, via way too much money. People are programmed in a way, by MS.

So yea. That is my point.

They have so much power that they can leash anyone into anything, including a MS storefront they call windows.

All windows does is sell stuff to people, MS and all their cronies.

Sad times.

Oh well. You can fight and defend windows all ya like. I, on the other hand, am not supporting windows or Microsoft's crap anymore.

Education goes a long way, and with MS and their money, the education may never come. MS can have the codex and the people are illiterate, in a way, I guess you are right.

Sorry but YOU are missing the point utterly and misunderstanding.

I'm not defending Windows at all - where have I said ANYTHING about how I feel about Windows? I haven't. You're making assumptions.

You addressed the claim about most people not being able or willing to install Linux by saying it was easy. I tackled that POINT ONLY.

Because you're demonstrably wrong. There are a majority of users out there that either use Windows in a professional setting, like banks, hospitals etc or sit at home and use it for email and the occasional bit of browing and not a lot more.

These sort of people will never install Linux for two major reasons -
(1) They likely don't have enough knowledge or wish to do so.
(2) It would not offer them any benefit to do so.

That's all I tackled. You not understanding the breadth of users out there.

NOw to burst your bubble, I can't stand MS and their monopoly in most ways as monopolies stifle progress and hinder checking and innovation. I like Linux.

But even for me, I rarely ever use it. Why? Becuase it's unsuitable for me.

I game a lot as I'm retired I have a lot of time on my hands. But I also do audio engineering and music and Linux simply does not work with the majority (or maybe all ,depedning) of my equiment. Plus things like DAWs tend to be Windows based. It's just not suitable at all.

And I'm one example. I bet you never considered a person like that which is the whole point - your lack of empathy.

I've had to train people in using computers back in the 1980s when I first started work. I quickly learned this valubale lesson - that what you THINK people know is often based on your knowledge and WILL throw you off.

I'd written up a training routine for training new staff members on using the first PCs. On my first session, I caught the trainee mystified. I'd asked them to put the disk in.
They grabbed the disk and simply tried putting it round the back, under the keyboard.

That moment made me realise you can't assume and you should always look deeper.

So sorry and all that but nothing changes this simple fact.

[Belva Company]

I should have stuck with Windows 10 on one of my PC's instead of installing Windows 8.1 on it.

[crunchyfrog]

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I should have stuck with Windows 10 on one of my PC's instead of installing Windows 8.1 on it. :HP_Pie:

Absolutely you should.

Windows 10 has it's issues but it's demonstrably better than 8 in many ways.

[Master.Constructor]

I have just discovered that there may be hope for Windows 8.1 as I saw this mention:

"ESU for Windows 8.1 (through Server 2012 R2): Jan 2029"

Perhaps one day Win8.1 will rise.

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İlk olarak Master.Constructor tarafından gönderildi:

I have just discovered that there may be hope for Windows 8.1 as I saw this mention:

"ESU for Windows 8.1 (through Server 2012 R2): Jan 2029"

Perhaps one day Win8.1 will rise.

Except of course server updates do not update non-server versions of windows.

If Microsoft does not release new updates for Windows 8.1 then it's done forever. Just like Windows 7 is already done (no more updates).

Applying server updates to non-server versions of windows does not extend the time that you are able to continue using older versions of windows. It's called "The placebo effect": You think you're doing something but your efforts do not actually do the thing that you think it is doing.

[crunchyfrog]

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I have just discovered that there may be hope for Windows 8.1 as I saw this mention:

"ESU for Windows 8.1 (through Server 2012 R2): Jan 2029"

Perhaps one day Win8.1 will rise.

Thinking that at on old OS will come back is all kinds of foolish and not understanding how things work.

There's a reason new OSes come out - it's to move with tech increases and changing in what people want to do.

So the fact is you can't retrofit old OSes easily to make them do all that, so they don't.

It's just not going to happen.