Ahmad Dec 25, 2024 @ 4:18pm
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Steam stopped working in Windows 8.1
Now Steam is forcing me to replace my perfectly working Windows 8.1 with a totally unnecessary Windows 10 just to play a game that runs perfectly in Windows 98.
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I wish I could trust Microsoft with my Windows updates but that' proven to be untrue. When people were paying me to uninstall Windows 10 and recover / reinstall Windows 7 it really opened my eyes.
Originally posted by Master.Constructor:
I wish I could trust Microsoft with my Windows updates but that' proven to be untrue. When people were paying me to uninstall Windows 10 and recover / reinstall Windows 7 it really opened my eyes.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but no one is paying you to install Windows 7 on their modern computers in 2025. Everyone that actually uses a computer and has to function online on the internet today must use Windows 10 or Windows 11 now. Too many apps don't work on Windows 7 today to the point that it's not actually useful anymore.
Lixire Jan 25 @ 12:08pm 
Originally posted by Master.Constructor:
I wish I could trust Microsoft with my Windows updates but that' proven to be untrue. When people were paying me to uninstall Windows 10 and recover / reinstall Windows 7 it really opened my eyes.

If it's recently then it sounds very questionable if it was when 7 still had full support from Microsoft like 2015-2019 then I could understand them

But just like any Windows release, People will hate the newer version of Windows as its different for quite long while but then they will upgrade to it anyway. be it direct upgrade or buying a new computer

Same happened when Win98SE users did swear that XP was a disaster at launch, only to upgrade themselves in 2005-2006
Same with XP users upgrading in 2010-2011 to Windows 7 not cause they wanted but rather the older OS was hitting it's limitations in terms of hardware support and software support. Battlefield 3 was quite a big push for XP users to upgrade
Same with Win7 users moving to Win10 and the cycle will keep on going
The Cycle will now keep going for some, as quite a few are moving to linux, or already have moved.

Microsoft doesn't have to be part of that equation.

Nor do they deserve to be as of late, in my opinion.
Last edited by RedLightning; Jan 25 @ 12:15pm
Lixire Jan 25 @ 12:20pm 
Originally posted by RedLightning:
The Cycle will now keep going for some, as quite a few are moving to linux, or already have moved.

Microsoft doesn't have to be part of that equation.

Nor do they deserve to be as of late, in my opinion.

Moving to Linux is indeed a good alternative but you gotta factor in that most computer users, including gamers. are lazy and will take the path of least resistance

Bypassing the Windows 11 requirements is easy but most people won't do it and will just buy a new computer once their current one breaks or not meeting their needs anymore and the newer OS will be installed on it right out of the gate
The only resistance I get from moving to linux seems to be based on microsoft itself.. or the big-boys that love MS money.

Windows takes way to many liberties... I guess you have to be lazy to use it. Oh well.

I really do not like being caught in the Microsoft web. The *windows* cycle stinks of greed all around... from Microsoft themselves, to the hardware manufactures to the software developers.

I swear all it seems like is a storefront for MS and all of its Cronies.
Originally posted by RedLightning:
The only resistance I get from moving to linux seems to be based on microsoft itself.. or the big-boys that love MS money.

Windows takes way to many liberties... I guess you have to be lazy to use it. Oh well.

I really do not like being caught in the Microsoft web. The *windows* cycle stinks of greed all around... from Microsoft themselves, to the hardware manufactures to the software developers.

I swear all it seems like is a storefront for MS and all of its Cronies.

I don't blame you, though I use Windows not because I'm lazy so I wouldn't assume people do that. There's going to be LOADS of reason why people use it.

I've used Linux many times and still have a PC that dual boots. But for me, I rarely use it. Purely because I don't need it much.

It is a constantly improving experience, but here's the reason it's not for me.

It ain't JUST gaming. I do audio engineering. This alone renders Linux a big no thanks. Because I've had more than a few fights to just try and get things working (I'm talking hardware not so much software). Even though it consantly improves I don't have any interest in keeping trying every now and then.

But Windows 10 suprisied the hell out of me. When I first tried it, didn't think much of it as my first impression was that idiotic new layout of tiles they use and didn't really look past that. But once I got through that, I saw it was not much difference.

When I was forced to use it with my latest laptop, that all changed. What I tend to do whenever I get a new PC is stress test it a bit. I'll throw anything and everything at it - games wise and other.

Of the then about 800 games I had on Steam, every one except 1 worked fine. Didn't expect that.

But here's the kicker - every single bit of audio equipment I have, regardless of age, connected fine and communicated fine. That's the first time that has EVER happened. Always in the past I've done this just to see which work and which don't.

So that's why I use it. I wouldn't recommend the silly talking down to try and say such things about people using something.
its more that if you know how to use linux it seems easy but for the avrage person gonna be fair here i wouldnt trust them with linux but here is fact most dont want to ever learn a new os
Originally posted by lailaamell:
its more that if you know how to use linux it seems easy but for the avrage person gonna be fair here i wouldnt trust them with linux but here is fact most dont want to ever learn a new os

Yup, and you also have to remember on ekey fact. PCs are SO widespread nowadays that you have to think about all the people who use them.

You're looking at all countries, demongraphics and so on.

So the old granny who has it to email their relatives, and use their banking, they have no interest or need in doing that.

The person using a PC Bang in South Korea who doesn't have a PC themselves maybe has no interest. They use the PC as a means to get gaming maybe a specific game.

Then there's people like myself with more than one use for it. And that doesn't even begin to mention any smaller businesses that may have other hardware or software that's a bit bespoke and they can't afford to waste time or money swapping over.

Many people seem to think in terms of their own position ONLY.
Originally posted by crunchyfrog:
Originally posted by lailaamell:
its more that if you know how to use linux it seems easy but for the avrage person gonna be fair here i wouldnt trust them with linux but here is fact most dont want to ever learn a new os

Yup, and you also have to remember on ekey fact. PCs are SO widespread nowadays that you have to think about all the people who use them.

You're looking at all countries, demongraphics and so on.

So the old granny who has it to email their relatives, and use their banking, they have no interest or need in doing that.

The person using a PC Bang in South Korea who doesn't have a PC themselves maybe has no interest. They use the PC as a means to get gaming maybe a specific game.

Then there's people like myself with more than one use for it. And that doesn't even begin to mention any smaller businesses that may have other hardware or software that's a bit bespoke and they can't afford to waste time or money swapping over.

Many people seem to think in terms of their own position ONLY.
i have to monitor 50 year olds who cant even accept the monitor isnt the entire pc and also clicks on every ad they see and this is on windows imagine how much they can mess linux up for their stubborn i can it myself attitudes who broken half the company pcs already. linux is great but its not as easy to use for in the end its the user who has to fix the stuff
Last edited by lailaamell; Jan 26 @ 3:41am
Originally posted by lailaamell:
Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

Yup, and you also have to remember on ekey fact. PCs are SO widespread nowadays that you have to think about all the people who use them.

You're looking at all countries, demongraphics and so on.

So the old granny who has it to email their relatives, and use their banking, they have no interest or need in doing that.

The person using a PC Bang in South Korea who doesn't have a PC themselves maybe has no interest. They use the PC as a means to get gaming maybe a specific game.

Then there's people like myself with more than one use for it. And that doesn't even begin to mention any smaller businesses that may have other hardware or software that's a bit bespoke and they can't afford to waste time or money swapping over.

Many people seem to think in terms of their own position ONLY.
i have to monitor 50 year olds who cant even accept the monitor isnt the entire pc and also clicks on every ad they see and this is on windows imagine how much they can mess linux up for their stubborn i can it myself attitudes who broken half the company pcs already. linux is great but its not as easy to use for in the end its the user who has to fix the stuff

Lol, oh definitely I can imagine!

When I left school, I lucked out in that I got a job immediately working in a computer department of a local big business. It was a fantastic job which I loved. After a while we had one of the inevitable upgrades and improvements to our system which resulted in early PCs being put in various factories and their staff needed training how to use these new computers.

I wrote up my training schedule, and it was ratified and edited by my boss and off I went.

The very first person I had brought me down to earth. Teaching them merely how to start the PC up, I got to the bit of "put the disk into the PC".

They proceeded to get a bit miffed by where to put it. They tried sliding it under the keyboard, looking round the back and all sorts.

It made me realise that we take so many things for granted and I needed to refine my approach.
Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
Originally posted by Master.Constructor:
I wish I could trust Microsoft with my Windows updates but that' proven to be untrue. When people were paying me to uninstall Windows 10 and recover / reinstall Windows 7 it really opened my eyes.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but no one is paying you to install Windows 7 on their modern computers in 2025. Everyone that actually uses a computer and has to function online on the internet today must use Windows 10 or Windows 11 now. Too many apps don't work on Windows 7 today to the point that it's not actually useful anymore.
Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but why do a non gamer person need win 11?

More spying and less ability for uset to control the os?
More crappy AAA?
Originally posted by Princess Luna:
Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but no one is paying you to install Windows 7 on their modern computers in 2025. Everyone that actually uses a computer and has to function online on the internet today must use Windows 10 or Windows 11 now. Too many apps don't work on Windows 7 today to the point that it's not actually useful anymore.
Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but why do a non gamer person need win 11?

More spying and less ability for uset to control the os?
More crappy AAA?

I've already detail why.

Many people get it as standard on the PC they buy.

Many users aren't gamers, or have varied and different use cases.

If you wanted to use Linux, you'd have to physically remove Windows and then install it. And that doesn't make any sense.

And Windows isn't as bad as you claim. It simply doesn't impact those people in that way.

I'm still on 10 for the time being and I will go to 11 when I find a moment to do so. But for me, Linux won't work. I don't believe as many games will work and my audio equipment certainly doesn't.

You seem to be assuming everyone thinks like you.
Originally posted by Princess Luna:
More spying and less ability for uset to control the os?
You're severly overestimating how much of a damn the general populace gives about these 'issues'. They just want the latest thing.
Last edited by Tito Shivan; Jan 26 @ 4:32am
Originally posted by Princess Luna:
More spying

Why are people so worried about being spied on their PC's but will then give access to microphone, location and god knows what else on their phones which can track far more, just so they can look at a picture of a cat?
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