Steam stopped working in Windows 8.1

[Ahmad]

Now Steam is forcing me to replace my perfectly working Windows 8.1 with a totally unnecessary Windows 10 just to play a game that runs perfectly in Windows 98.

[76561199237092713]

win 7 was removed less than a year ago... nice e-waste!!! hope your gona process it all!!

[Lixire]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Princess Luna:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crashed:

Mainly Steam has done so because various frameworks they depend on like CEF cannot be updated without breaking compatibility with older Windows versions.

So keep old outdated client for w7 and stop demanding update - how hard is that?

a bit of an issue as Steam as a service will always keep on changing its backend and at some point. your old win7 client will no longer work or be but utterly broken that it's unusable as Valve won't test anything against your old client

Yeah you can get the WinXP client running as well If you want to. but don't be surprised if everything is broken. Win7 will see the same fate tho that might take a couple of years

[Princess Luna]

FIne keep old outdated client for w7 unless backend changes.

[crunchyfrog]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Princess Luna:

FIne keep old outdated client for w7 unless backend changes.

The thing is it isn't just all of a sudden, most likely.

Sure, one day it will just stop working. But until then it's a sliding scale of things going wrong, more exploits being able and all a load of other issues.

That's why you should never do this. Because all you're doing is hurting yourself.

[Jakob Fel]

I hate Windows 10 and 11 but it's time to move on. If you don't want to use those, switch to Linux. It's completely viable for everyone except people who play games with kernel-level malware (anticheat) or people who absolutely need proprietary applications. Otherwise, Proton makes Linux gaming so good these days.

So yeah, your option is to upgrade to a modern Windows OS or use Linux. Linux is the best option and you can get desktop environments that offer a Windows 7-like experience, at the very least (such as Cinnamon, particularly Linux Mint's implementation). The KDE Plasma desktop environment gives you a more modern Windows experience with a start menu a little closer to Windows 10 and 11. Shoot, if you go with Zorin OS (especially the Pro version), you can switch between different desktop styles on the fly.

In general, just upgrade or go for Linux. Windows 7 was great, 8.1 was solid and I know 10/11 are gutter trash, but you're leaving yourself massively vulnerable to security issues by sticking with an OS that isn't receiving patches.

[Oneeyed]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jakob Fel:

I hate Windows 10 and 11 but it's time to move on. If you don't want to use those, switch to Linux. It's completely viable for everyone except people who play games with kernel-level malware (anticheat) or people who absolutely need proprietary applications. Otherwise, Proton makes Linux gaming so good these days.

So yeah, your option is to upgrade to a modern Windows OS or use Linux. Linux is the best option and you can get desktop environments that offer a Windows 7-like experience, at the very least (such as Cinnamon, particularly Linux Mint's implementation). The KDE Plasma desktop environment gives you a more modern Windows experience with a start menu a little closer to Windows 10 and 11. Shoot, if you go with Zorin OS (especially the Pro version), you can switch between different desktop styles on the fly.

In general, just upgrade or go for Linux. Windows 7 was great, 8.1 was solid and I know 10/11 are gutter trash, but you're leaving yourself massively vulnerable to security issues by sticking with an OS that isn't receiving patches.

Imho the longer W7 is outdated the safer it becomes. That is because no one writes viruses for W7 anymore. Criminals focus on W10/11 because that is the bulk of the people. No one bothers anymore with W7 exploits.

Only 2.4 % of the people worldwide use W7. Only 34 % uses W11. W10 is still used the most with 62 %.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide

Steam probably switched off W7 because no one uses it anymore. If 90 % of the gamers just use W7 then no game company nor steam could afford to igore it.

For me its still W7 for gaming, Linux Mint for real computer stuff, W10 for stupid business partners.

[76561199751207451]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jakob Fel:

I hate Windows 10 and 11 but it's time to move on. If you don't want to use those, switch to Linux. It's completely viable for everyone except people who play games with kernel-level malware (anticheat) or people who absolutely need proprietary applications. Otherwise, Proton makes Linux gaming so good these days.

So yeah, your option is to upgrade to a modern Windows OS or use Linux. Linux is the best option and you can get desktop environments that offer a Windows 7-like experience, at the very least (such as Cinnamon, particularly Linux Mint's implementation). The KDE Plasma desktop environment gives you a more modern Windows experience with a start menu a little closer to Windows 10 and 11. Shoot, if you go with Zorin OS (especially the Pro version), you can switch between different desktop styles on the fly.

In general, just upgrade or go for Linux. Windows 7 was great, 8.1 was solid and I know 10/11 are gutter trash, but you're leaving yourself massively vulnerable to security issues by sticking with an OS that isn't receiving patches.

Sir, I'm new to steam and was looking to start my second PC game of my life (EVE Online) and I'm on Arch Linux (cuz my potato can't afford windows) can you help me do that? I've installed wine, but then found out about steam from a friend, so I installed steam, but then from inside steam, eve isn't working, it runs but then I cannot click on anything.

[Amaterasu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Oneeyed:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jakob Fel:

I hate Windows 10 and 11 but it's time to move on. If you don't want to use those, switch to Linux. It's completely viable for everyone except people who play games with kernel-level malware (anticheat) or people who absolutely need proprietary applications. Otherwise, Proton makes Linux gaming so good these days.

So yeah, your option is to upgrade to a modern Windows OS or use Linux. Linux is the best option and you can get desktop environments that offer a Windows 7-like experience, at the very least (such as Cinnamon, particularly Linux Mint's implementation). The KDE Plasma desktop environment gives you a more modern Windows experience with a start menu a little closer to Windows 10 and 11. Shoot, if you go with Zorin OS (especially the Pro version), you can switch between different desktop styles on the fly.

In general, just upgrade or go for Linux. Windows 7 was great, 8.1 was solid and I know 10/11 are gutter trash, but you're leaving yourself massively vulnerable to security issues by sticking with an OS that isn't receiving patches.

Imho the longer W7 is outdated the safer it becomes. That is because no one writes viruses for W7 anymore. Criminals focus on W10/11 because that is the bulk of the people. No one bothers anymore with W7 exploits.

Only 2.4 % of the people worldwide use W7. Only 34 % uses W11. W10 is still used the most with 62 %.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide

Steam probably switched off W7 because no one uses it anymore. If 90 % of the gamers just use W7 then no game company nor steam could afford to igore it.

For me its still W7 for gaming, Linux Mint for real computer stuff, W10 for stupid business partners.

Most criminals don't care what the big score is, they care what's easy. If it's easy to get a hold of your Windows 7 or 8.1 machine and get access to your bank account through that and drain it into their own accounts... they're not going to go for the majority of people, they're going to be aiming for the easily exploitable systems.

[ReBoot]

Diposting pertama kali oleh DracoLich:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jakob Fel:

I hate Windows 10 and 11 but it's time to move on. If you don't want to use those, switch to Linux. It's completely viable for everyone except people who play games with kernel-level malware (anticheat) or people who absolutely need proprietary applications. Otherwise, Proton makes Linux gaming so good these days.

So yeah, your option is to upgrade to a modern Windows OS or use Linux. Linux is the best option and you can get desktop environments that offer a Windows 7-like experience, at the very least (such as Cinnamon, particularly Linux Mint's implementation). The KDE Plasma desktop environment gives you a more modern Windows experience with a start menu a little closer to Windows 10 and 11. Shoot, if you go with Zorin OS (especially the Pro version), you can switch between different desktop styles on the fly.

In general, just upgrade or go for Linux. Windows 7 was great, 8.1 was solid and I know 10/11 are gutter trash, but you're leaving yourself massively vulnerable to security issues by sticking with an OS that isn't receiving patches.

Sir, I'm new to steam and was looking to start my second PC game of my life (EVE Online) and I'm on Arch Linux (cuz my potato can't afford windows) can you help me do that? I've installed wine, but then found out about steam from a friend, so I installed steam, but then from inside steam, eve isn't working, it runs but then I cannot click on anything.

Check the game's ProtonDB page

[Princess Luna]

Ah yes no we get W7 is easy to hack defense

Dont tell me Steam worries about my safery. If i use W7 thats my decision

[Chika Ogiue]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Princess Luna:

Dont tell me Steam worries about my safery.

Account security is your responsibility.

Valve don't care about YOUR safety any further than advising you to not hand over your account credentials. Dropping OS support isn't about YOUR security. It's about what works for the majority of people. Security only comes into that when it's in consideration of the security implemented on Valve's backend servers, not whatever is on your client PC. As server security needs change, older obsolete OSes are going to be left behind simple because on one else in that security chain is supporting it either. It's that simple.

[Amaterasu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Princess Luna:

Ah yes no we get W7 is easy to hack defense

Dont tell me Steam worries about my safery. If i use W7 thats my decision

Steam doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about what system someone uses. The march of technology unfortunately will not stop and if people don't want to move forward, they're going to be left in the past. Eventually, things will stop working for old systems. All Steam has done was end ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ support for Windows 7 and 8.1. Meaning that they're not working on ways to keep the Steam Client compatible with older Operating Systems. That's all this has ever been.

But every day someone has to scream that it's some sort of Conspiracy against them in particular because they view themselves as so important that Steam has to specifically target them.

Much like Religion, the world has moved past the old technologies and are using new ones. If Steam has 32 million users, which may be outdated statistics... there's no point in trying to keep old operating systems compatible with Windows 7 and Windows 8 if less than 900,000 people combined are using those operating systems on Steam.

Actually, I just took a look at the statistics, Windows 7 64 bit comprises of 0.16% of all steam users, and other operating systems is 0.07. So I will be generous here and say that combined 7 and 8.1 is 0.23%(Which it isn't, that includes Mac and Linux, but I'll give the 0.07 to Win 8.1). Which comes out to 73,600.

This means that Steam has a choice... try to keep it stable for Windows 7 and 8.1 users, which will make it *less* stable for Windows 10 and 11 users as technology marches forward... and burn 31,926,400 of their customers. Or they could drop support for Windows 7 and 8.1 and at most burn 73,600 of their customers.

And to make this even easier to see... if each of those 31.9 million people were to buy a 60 dollar game every month(Which in this economy ain't happening), Steam would make 1,915,584,000 dollars every month of equivalent currency. Meanwhile the 73,600 would only bring in 4,416,000 a month. Meaning each one of those people in order to match the revenue of the much larger number would have to buy 434 60 dollar games per month. Or.... spend 26,040 dollars per month on video games.

By the way, Steam likely has more than 32 million different users, which only makes the gulf between revenue even greater and meaning the smaller group has to spend even more just to catch up to the larger group.

Statistics are fun. Also Hail Satan, Father of Knowledge!

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Oneeyed:

Imho the longer W7 is outdated the safer it becomes. That is because no one writes viruses for W7 anymore. Criminals focus on W10/11 because that is the bulk of the people. No one bothers anymore with W7 exploits.

It's the complete opposite actually. Once an older OS becomes unsupported then when some nefarious person online realizes you're using Windows 7 they will focus all of their attention on trying to hack you instead of someone else. It's quite a lot easier to make viruses and hack a Windows 7 machine than it is a Windows 10 or 11 machine because the Windows 7 machines are using old vulnerable code that never was fixed (and never will be fixed). Most of the time they can just use previously released exploits for Windows 7 and make short work of it since the old exploits were never fixed. This is why everyone tries to remind Windows 7 users (repeatedly) that it's extremely dangerous to allow a Windows 7 machine access to the internet. It's more dangerous with each passing day as time goes on.

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ontrix_Kitsune:

Once an older OS becomes unsupported then when some nefarious person online realizes you're using Windows 7 they will focus all of their attention on trying to hack you instead of someone else.

And there's a large overlap between the people who run an outdated OS and those who don't keep their systems patched and secured. So the number of chances increases.

[BJWyler]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Princess Luna:

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

And let's not forget 96% of the world's Window users.

If people want to continue to use the horse and buggy to get around in, they can knock themselves out all they want. But the rest of the world is under no obligation whatsoever to humor them, nor cater to their wants. Enjoy your horse and buggy people, and those self-imposed limitations that come with it.

10 years of W7 and 0 bugs. You?
Limitations? Lol what? win 10/11 lovers are being limited by MS as how you can control your OS.
Noone has provied any good argument for win 10 apart from New and Shiny. Ok and?

16 years of Windows 7 with weekly patches and several BSoDs over the years. Zero BSoDs to date with Windows 10 and 11 after 6 years. Limitations? Lol what? I can do as much, and more with 10/11 that I did with 7. Noone has provided any good argument for Windows 7 apart from Old and Worn out. Ok and?