Steam is now warning users about early access games THANK YOU!!!

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

I have asked for this for years, as there are dozens of abandoned early access titles that people dont realize are shovelware collecting money. I had literally made this exact suggestion, and now, valve is doing EXACTLY what I had suggested over a dozen times.


Better late than never. Thanks for finally doing the right thing!



Steam is now warning users about early access games without recent updates to improve transparency.
Updated notes allow developers to explain delays in updates, giving players more clarity.
Improved visibility on early access titles aims to benefit both developers and players in the long run.
Steam is now warning players about early access games if they haven't received any recent updates. Early access is a controversial topic in the gaming community, with proponents citing how it helps ensure indie titles with fewer resources eventually meet player expectations, but critics pointing out how many games never make it to a full release. Valve is well aware of this controversy, so now Steam users can get more clarity on early access games before deciding to try them out.


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/steam-now-issues-warnings-about-certain-early-access-games/ar-AA1yuYgG

[pckirk]

instead of creating another dupe thread, if you had looked, there are already threads about this.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Originally posted by pckirk:

instead of creating another dupe thread, if you had looked, there are already threads about this.

Not on the first 2 pages when I looked and I decided to give my own take on it. Instead of back seat moderating, maybe provide the link, to the thread, since I clearly didnt see one.

[BJWyler]

Right here on the first page:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/595140105668156690/

And the only controversy comes from those with a severe reading comprehension issue and mismanaged expectations. The latter of which is borne of sheer ignorance of the software development process, and that of games in particular. However, being that we have had nearly two decades of Kickstarter games and increased transparency of the process through the Indie scene, willful ignorance is more likely at this stage.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Originally posted by BJWyler:

Right here on the first page:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/595140105668156690/

And the only controversy comes from those with a severe reading comprehension issue and mismanaged expectations. The latter of which is borne of sheer ignorance of the software development process, and that of games in particular. However, being that we have had nearly two decades of Kickstarter games and increased transparency of the process through the Indie scene, willful ignorance is more likely at this stage.

I would say thanks, but due to your back handed insult and your own ignorance, the post is on the 2nd page, not the first, and when I looked, it was on the first 2 pages, besides, if you dont like my post, bugger off, it is a free world, and I am free to post. Dont like it report me.

Have a good day, or dont, dont care, I said my peace, thread unfollowed, no time for negative nancys and nagging neegans,

[BJWyler]

Originally posted by Man Cave Mike:

Originally posted by BJWyler:

Right here on the first page:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/595140105668156690/

And the only controversy comes from those with a severe reading comprehension issue and mismanaged expectations. The latter of which is borne of sheer ignorance of the software development process, and that of games in particular. However, being that we have had nearly two decades of Kickstarter games and increased transparency of the process through the Indie scene, willful ignorance is more likely at this stage.

I would say thanks, but due to your back handed insult and your own ignorance, the post is on the 2nd page, not the first, and when I looked, it was on the first 2 pages, besides, if you dont like my post, bugger off, it is a free world, and I am free to post. Dont like it report me.

Have a good day, or dont, dont care, I said my peace, thread unfollowed, no time for negative nancys and nagging neegans,

Nope, still on the first page for me. Of course, if one has the minimum 15 threads per page that can make a difference. I prefer 50 as that usually encompasses the most recent and relevant topics of conversation much more easily.

And since when is a statement of fact an insult? Every EA game states quite clearly on the store page exactly what you get - an unfinished game - when you press the buy button. So you can't get any more truth in advertising such as that. For people to not understand such a clear and simple bit of information can only be because of ignorance and lack of proper reading capacity.

And I have no problem with your thread at all. The more people who get educated about EA, the less ignorance there will be about it. But of course, people will still have to read, which seems to be the overriding issue.

[V3LTA]

Originally posted by pckirk:

instead of creating another dupe thread, if you had looked, there are already threads about this.

who cares... if some one feels like making a post about something just let em be... if people have not seen it earlier they will go and inform them self?

its not like they will find the old post all of the sudden

[Tr3m0r]

Originally posted by BJWyler:

Originally posted by Man Cave Mike:

I would say thanks, but due to your back handed insult and your own ignorance, the post is on the 2nd page, not the first, and when I looked, it was on the first 2 pages, besides, if you dont like my post, bugger off, it is a free world, and I am free to post. Dont like it report me.

Have a good day, or dont, dont care, I said my peace, thread unfollowed, no time for negative nancys and nagging neegans,

Nope, still on the first page for me. Of course, if one has the minimum 15 threads per page that can make a difference. I prefer 50 as that usually encompasses the most recent and relevant topics of conversation much more easily.

And since when is a statement of fact an insult? Every EA game states quite clearly on the store page exactly what you get - an unfinished game - when you press the buy button. So you can't get any more truth in advertising such as that. For people to not understand such a clear and simple bit of information can only be because of ignorance and lack of proper reading capacity.

And I have no problem with your thread at all. The more people who get educated about EA, the less ignorance there will be about it. But of course, people will still have to read, which seems to be the overriding issue.

Its how you communicated as I thought the same thing the poster thought. There are indeed plenty of developers that also help ensconse the narrative you mention about gamers being the problem and "don't know what the definition of early access is" which thousands of posts are pasted every day by bots. However, there is also language specifically about how early access is intended to be used by studios and it is NOT for funding but rather for collaborative feedback which is clearly on the early access information.

Yet that information tends to get overlooked by the people who only disparage any frustration with early access in the form of people trying to elucidate feedback and other opinions outside of the copy pasta "learn to read what you buy."

So most normal consumers and gamers are just tired of the same tropes from other snarky gamers but also increasingly marketing bot accounts who just chat bot all the tropes that put down gamers while ceos and studios cry that their products are only failures due to their customers buying it didn't like it enough and are toxic.

[BJWyler]

Originally posted by Tr3m0r:

Originally posted by BJWyler:

Nope, still on the first page for me. Of course, if one has the minimum 15 threads per page that can make a difference. I prefer 50 as that usually encompasses the most recent and relevant topics of conversation much more easily.

And since when is a statement of fact an insult? Every EA game states quite clearly on the store page exactly what you get - an unfinished game - when you press the buy button. So you can't get any more truth in advertising such as that. For people to not understand such a clear and simple bit of information can only be because of ignorance and lack of proper reading capacity.

And I have no problem with your thread at all. The more people who get educated about EA, the less ignorance there will be about it. But of course, people will still have to read, which seems to be the overriding issue.

Its how you communicated as I thought the same thing the poster thought. There are indeed plenty of developers that also help ensconse the narrative you mention about gamers being the problem and "don't know what the definition of early access is" which thousands of posts are pasted every day by bots. However, there is also language specifically about how early access is intended to be used by studios and it is NOT for funding but rather for collaborative feedback which is clearly on the early access information.

I don't care to sugarcoat the truth to protect someone's fee fees from getting hurt. I call things as I see them, and I call it direct and to the point.

Whether devs use EA as another funding tool or simply for more visibility as they work on their project is immaterial. Valve recommends having a solid funding source for their project, but by no means is going to force devs to follow any particular business model, nor should they. It doesn't change the fact that EA is there for people to buy an incomplete game, and an incomplete game is delivered. Simple As. Even my 6 year old has been able to show complete comprehension of that paradigm.

Originally posted by Tr3m0r:

Yet that information tends to get overlooked by the people who only disparage any frustration with early access in the form of people trying to elucidate feedback and other opinions outside of the copy pasta "learn to read what you buy."

Any frustration with EA is entirely self generated. Are there people out there trying to scam others with fake games and what not? Yeah sure there are. There are scammers in every facet of life, which is why people need to use more than half a brain as consumers and the old axiom of caveat emptor has never been truer more than it has today. But that has nothing to do with Early Access. I have found more scams that were never in EA than were.

There is no more simple a concept than: "If you want a finished and complete game, buy it when it is finished and complete." Early Access plainly and simply tells you that the games are not complete. So, people do indeed need to learn to read and not buy the games. Simple as.

Originally posted by Tr3m0r:

So most normal consumers and gamers are just tired of the same tropes from other snarky gamers but also increasingly marketing bot accounts who just chat bot all the tropes that put down gamers while ceos and studios cry that their products are only failures due to their customers buying it didn't like it enough and are toxic.

The real trope is trying to deflect blame from oneself to others for the bad decisions one makes instead of taking personal responsibility for it. But unfortunately, that seems to be the norm in today's society. We all make mistakes. We all make poor choices from time to time. I know I've made my fair share over the years. The difference is I took ownership over my stupid decisions instead of try to blame someone else for the decision I made. I looked myself in the mirror and said "You stupid moron, that was an f-ing dumb purchase you made." And you know what, I learned from that mistake because I took ownership over it and I darn sure didn't make that mistake again because of it.

The people complaining about EA had failed on every level of that aspect, so they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again instead of learning from their mistakes by taking ownership of them. That ain't Valve's problem and that ain't the devs problem. That's as much as a "you" problem as one can get.

[sfnhltb]

Shortly to arrive a slew of trivial patches to early access games that do nothing except keep the warning sign away.

Patch notes:
1. Updated game version number
End patch notes

[King of Games]

Love to see it. Wil help steer clear of lazy devs that have are slacking off and scams that have been abandoned but stay up in hopes of collecting more easy money

[xBCxRangers]

Wow, well something tells me Valve is going to start to understand "many" issues moving forward.

Although i'm a proponent of EA, and have had no issues, it;s not to say many others do not.

And anything Steam does to protect consumers, i am for.

THANK you, Mr Newell

[Wolfpig]

Originally posted by King of Games:

Love to see it. Wil help steer clear of lazy devs that have are slacking off and scams that have been abandoned but stay up in hopes of collecting more easy money

It also can help to read the discussion areas of a game.
There are ea games out there where new versions only hit 2-3 times a year or less.
A indicator when the last patch was won't tell you how active the development is.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

People couldn't be arsed to scroll down to the Recent Events & Announcements section and there are some games that never bothered to make those posts so they have no section to see.

It was just something that Valve should have added to all EA games from the start and not just ones that haven't had an update in at least a year.

[ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ]

Originally posted by Wolfpig:

A indicator when the last patch was won't tell you how active the development is.

And why not? if someone can see when a game last got updated, and can check to make sure it's consistent, I'd say that'd be helpful. It would certainly show people that the Dev is active on that game.

[Subsonic]

That's nice of them, to now tell us that the Early Access scam pump and dump game sales they promoted on their store are now even more of a scam than they originally were.

Its great, to finally see the light in selling pump and dump scam-ware. Maybe Gaben should pull his head out his arse and actually give refunds to this "♥♥♥♥-ware scam" hes running for freesee cash pumps.

But hey, Gaben needs it so he can finally transcend to his true slimy fish form, that way he wont need more yachts and subs.