Triple A - Good, Bad, Or Excuse to Upgrade?

[The Brown Hornet]

I'm many threads on this forum the peculiar state of Triple A titles are often debated. Members of this forum seem to be of the opinion that Triple A =Bad, Indie =Good. Of course it's not all Black & White but I must exaggerate to make this point.

In recent threads debating the status of Next Gen tech several gamers have replied with "Triple A titles are copy and paste" "Triple A devs are lazy" "Indie games is where the innovation is" "Triple A titles overpriced, overrated" "I don't even play Triple A games" " Triple A are bad console ports" etc ...

Many of the same gamers who made these remarks and argued against my "new tech is all the same" points of view, fully embrace Nvidia's next gen technologies. They say it's a Golden Age of technology and it's pushing gaming forward.

So my question is how can you be so supportive of next gen tech while being anti Triple A gaming at the same time?!

Isn't it fact that Nvidia's next gen technology is solely focused on enhancing the Triple A experience; the majority of features introduced, DLSS 4, frame smoothing, 4x frame generation, Override, etc... are not even supported by less than Triple A titles! I have yet to see one Indie game featured in any Nvidia campaign ad or promotion. By the way, Indie games rarely have need for advanced technologies, that's part of what makes then Indie!!

So there it is, you dislike the modern state of Triple A and it's shiny bells and whistles yet you run out to buy upgraded technology for shiny bells and whistles. Alright, keep on shining!

[The Brown Hornet]

Originalmente postado por matt:

I should have checked who created the thread before clicking on it. But "AAA" is just a meaningless buzzword used by marketers. Someone already labeled their game "the first AAAA game", which is either hilariously dumb or a savvy marketing move depending on your point of view.

Despite who posted it (me) at minimum we agree on marketing gimmicks and meaningless buzzwords

[crunchyfrog]

Well, they're not wrong because this isn't a matter of opinion. It's demonstrable fact.

A wealth of consumers says this, reviewers and critics say this, the workers say this, and even some whistleblowers and people who have left near the top have also spoken on it.

They've all said that the relentless pursuit of greed, the trend chasing and the "safe" nature of not experimenting due to their own bloated costs for no good reason is exactly why it's bad.

And Indie at all don't tend to have this because they're doing this absent of all this nonsense.

Now here's the thing - if you LIKE the games that are being put out, you do you. NOBODY can tell you that you don't like them.

That's all that matters.

Be honest with yourself. But as far as the evidence goes it's demonstrable. Go look up how Ubisoft have fallen as that's perhaps the poster boy for all that's gone wrong.

I've ofeten pointed out how much I loved the PS2 era of gaming. Simply because it ranks up there as every bit as good as the first days of gaming. There was a distinct sweet spot between costs of development, tech, and being able to experiment.

And as such you got some really great games and they often WILDLY differed.

Take the following:
Mister Moskeeto
Ribbit King
Kuri Kuri Mix
Gregory Horror Show
Project Eden
Ico
Extermination
Katamari Damacy
Jak and Daxter
Project Zero series (Fatal Frame)
the best Silent Hill games

And so on

[D. Flame]

Fake frames are a terrible excuse to upgrade.

[The Brown Hornet]

Originalmente postado por crunchyfrog:

Well, they're not wrong because this isn't a matter of opinion. It's demonstrable fact.

A wealth of consumers says this, reviewers and critics say this, the workers say this, and even some whistleblowers and people who have left near the top have also spoken on it.

They've all said that the relentless pursuit of greed, the trend chasing and the "safe" nature of not experimenting due to their own bloated costs for no good reason is exactly why it's bad.

And Indie at all don't tend to have this because they're doing this absent of all this nonsense.

Now here's the thing - if you LIKE the games that are being put out, you do you. NOBODY can tell you that you don't like them.

That's all that matters.

Be honest with yourself. But as far as the evidence goes it's demonstrable. Go look up how Ubisoft have fallen as that's perhaps the poster boy for all that's gone wrong.

I've ofeten pointed out how much I loved the PS2 era of gaming. Simply because it ranks up there as every bit as good as the first days of gaming. There was a distinct sweet spot between costs of development, tech, and being able to experiment.

And as such you got some really great games and they often WILDLY differed.

Take the following:
Mister Moskeeto
Ribbit King
Kuri Kuri Mix
Gregory Horror Show
Project Eden
Ico
Extermination
Katamari Damacy
Jak and Daxter
Project Zero series (Fatal Frame)
the best Silent Hill games

And so on

I agree with you about PS2, a time when the tech and developers put everything they had into producing a constant flow of high quality products. I keep my PS2 and games in pristine condition.

[crunchyfrog]

Originalmente postado por The Brown Hornet:

Originalmente postado por crunchyfrog:

Well, they're not wrong because this isn't a matter of opinion. It's demonstrable fact.

A wealth of consumers says this, reviewers and critics say this, the workers say this, and even some whistleblowers and people who have left near the top have also spoken on it.

They've all said that the relentless pursuit of greed, the trend chasing and the "safe" nature of not experimenting due to their own bloated costs for no good reason is exactly why it's bad.

And Indie at all don't tend to have this because they're doing this absent of all this nonsense.

Now here's the thing - if you LIKE the games that are being put out, you do you. NOBODY can tell you that you don't like them.

That's all that matters.

Be honest with yourself. But as far as the evidence goes it's demonstrable. Go look up how Ubisoft have fallen as that's perhaps the poster boy for all that's gone wrong.

I've ofeten pointed out how much I loved the PS2 era of gaming. Simply because it ranks up there as every bit as good as the first days of gaming. There was a distinct sweet spot between costs of development, tech, and being able to experiment.

And as such you got some really great games and they often WILDLY differed.

Take the following:
Mister Moskeeto
Ribbit King
Kuri Kuri Mix
Gregory Horror Show
Project Eden
Ico
Extermination
Katamari Damacy
Jak and Daxter
Project Zero series (Fatal Frame)
the best Silent Hill games

And so on

I agree with you about PS2, a time when the tech and developers put everything they had into producing a constant flow of high quality products. I keep my PS2 and games in pristine condition.

Nice :)

Yeah, although I revist all my consoles and computers regularly, the PS2 and PS1 are most commonly revisited. It really was a great time. I have a few PS2s. I always try to keep a couple of spares in anything just in case (or parts), but I have my old phat PS2 plus a "Test" PS2 which was given to me by the magazine I mostly worked for at the time.

They're the 2 I use all the time and I keep them in fine fettle.