Live services EOS should offer an offline version as consumers are being ripped off

[xHans]

Hi everyone, in the wake of the recent EOS of trash mobile "gotcha" games Atelier Resleriana:

https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1ib558s/end_of_service_for_atelier_resleriana_forgotten/

The game is going EOS without offering an offline version and many player who had invested their time and money on resources will lose everything. This happens all the time, while I personally only played that game on day 1, it is scummy and anti-consumer to see these companies get away with just pulling the plug after siphoning a lot of money off a loyal fanbase and they have nothing to keep in return. Just having the game with the story line quest in offline mode with the ability to get all the playable characters and skins should suffice and shouldn't be that hard to do imo.

If anyone has any connection with politicians, games urinalist or youtubers like assmongold or any other grifter with a big following to remind people that you don't own ♥♥♥♥ and to give visibility to this continuing problem maybe a change can happen. It would be nice if people get reminded every time a live service cash grab gets shut down.

Steam should not be allowing this to happen on their platform either.

[Chika Ogiue]

Początkowo opublikowane przez crunchyfrog:

There's such a thing as STATUTORY RIGHTS.

Which won't trump any revocation of access rights due to the extreme behaviour which would cause such revocation. And once revocation has happened, any offline locally stored copies are no longer valid and must be destroyed.

[crunchyfrog]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Chika Ogiue:

Początkowo opublikowane przez crunchyfrog:

There's such a thing as STATUTORY RIGHTS.

Which won't trump any revocation of access rights due to the extreme behaviour which would cause such revocation. And once revocation has happened, any offline locally stored copies are no longer valid and must be destroyed.

Cool, prove that, because I can categorically say that is not true.

Prove to me where it says that for a start. Because I'd be surprised. I think you may be misreading it as referring to the service and not the product or you misunderstand law.

YOU CANNOT overrule statuory rights.

That's what that term on all contracts means "your statutory rights are not affected".

Statutory rights are your basic right and laws that apply to ALL products or sales.

Things like OWNERHSIP OF PRODUCT.

So soryy you're demonstrably wrong under the Consumer Rights Act. But that clause you're referring to I'll happily take a look at .

[Doctor Zalgo]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mr. Smiles:

Ono, people getting mad about live service games getting shut down despite clicking the "I accept" on the TOS for said live service games.

Oops, maybe people should instead learn to read the TOS...

In certain countries, people might have consumer rights which override the TOS.

In Australia, for example Products (including software and yes, even live service games) have to work for a reasonable period of time regardless of what the vendor says the life should be (reasonable isn't defined, its on a case by case basis).

If you lived in Australia, you'd have a reasonable case for a refund (considering the average life of most live service games). If they're shutting it down to move elsewhere, it would be a slam dunk with the consumer affairs agency leaning in to wonder why a company is bricking a product it sold for financial advantage.

[Chika Ogiue]

Początkowo opublikowane przez crunchyfrog:

Things like OWNERHSIP OF PRODUCT.

But you are not buying a product on GOG. You are buying a license. And one that can be stopped or suspended by GOG, as they state in their terms of service:

We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.

[76561198407601200]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Chika Ogiue:

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Living Tribunal:

From a book I currently have

In other words, exactly as I said.

Precisely, however since it is book media it is something that likely isn't viewed by some.

[xBCxRangers]

Well, this issue may go even more mainstream if in fact Ubi goes under, and nobody can get into their SP games again due to their live service server model. Breakpoint, AC, Wildlands, The Division, shut down and games gone.

[Jon the VGNerd]

Początkowo opublikowane przez crunchyfrog:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Chika Ogiue:

Which won't trump any revocation of access rights due to the extreme behaviour which would cause such revocation. And once revocation has happened, any offline locally stored copies are no longer valid and must be destroyed.

Cool, prove that, because I can categorically say that is not true.

Prove to me where it says that for a start. Because I'd be surprised. I think you may be misreading it as referring to the service and not the product or you misunderstand law.

YOU CANNOT overrule statuory rights.

That's what that term on all contracts means "your statutory rights are not affected".

Statutory rights are your basic right and laws that apply to ALL products or sales.

Things like OWNERHSIP OF PRODUCT.

So soryy you're demonstrably wrong under the Consumer Rights Act. But that clause you're referring to I'll happily take a look at .

Can't wait until they start claiming that older, physical games are deemed as "licenses", just to spit on the faces of real gamers who truly care about retro and vintage games and consoles alike while also giving us gamers a bad name all at the same time.

Heaven forbid if there are people like those who get on my face and berate me, just because I'm playing a game on my PSP just to pass time and reduce boredom. IRL even.

[nullable]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jon the VGNerd:

Can't wait until they start claiming that older, physical games are deemed as "licenses", just to spit on the faces of real gamers who truly care about retro and vintage games and consoles alike while also giving us gamers a bad name all at the same time.

Heaven forbid if there are people like those who get on my face and berate me, just because I'm playing a game on my PSP just to pass time and reduce boredom. IRL even.

The software on the media falls under a license. And while you do own the physical media, that's just a method of delivery, it doesn't give you different or special rights. The main difference is that it's harder for the publisher to enforce the license terms. And users are all to happy to do whatever they want and ignore the license if nothing is impeding them. We see it all the time.

[Jon the VGNerd]

Początkowo opublikowane przez nullable:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jon the VGNerd:

Can't wait until they start claiming that older, physical games are deemed as "licenses", just to spit on the faces of real gamers who truly care about retro and vintage games and consoles alike while also giving us gamers a bad name all at the same time.

Heaven forbid if there are people like those who get on my face and berate me, just because I'm playing a game on my PSP just to pass time and reduce boredom. IRL even.

The software on the media falls under a license. And while you do own the physical media, that's just a method of delivery, it doesn't give you different or special rights. The main difference is that it's harder for the publisher to enforce the license terms. And users are all to happy to do whatever they want and ignore the license if nothing is impeding them. We see it all the time.

Ok cool. Because I'll still be playing on my PSP when I'm not home. And if I see folks that would tell me otherwise, I'll simply ignore them and enjoy my own time playing any and all PSP games with me without someone trying to yank my handheld console away from me.

[xHans]

Początkowo opublikowane przez xBCxRangers:

Well, this issue may go even more mainstream if in fact Ubi goes under, and nobody can get into their SP games again due to their live service server model. Breakpoint, AC, Wildlands, The Division, shut down and games gone.

Hopefully that happens. The mainstream normies who only ever play AAA slops need to suffer a little for things to get traction.

[76561198407601200]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jon the VGNerd:

Początkowo opublikowane przez crunchyfrog:

Cool, prove that, because I can categorically say that is not true.

Prove to me where it says that for a start. Because I'd be surprised. I think you may be misreading it as referring to the service and not the product or you misunderstand law.

YOU CANNOT overrule statuory rights.

That's what that term on all contracts means "your statutory rights are not affected".

Statutory rights are your basic right and laws that apply to ALL products or sales.

Things like OWNERHSIP OF PRODUCT.

So soryy you're demonstrably wrong under the Consumer Rights Act. But that clause you're referring to I'll happily take a look at .

Can't wait until they start claiming that older, physical games are deemed as "licenses", just to spit on the faces of real gamers who truly care about retro and vintage games and consoles alike while also giving us gamers a bad name all at the same time.

Heaven forbid if there are people like those who get on my face and berate me, just because I'm playing a game on my PSP just to pass time and reduce boredom. IRL even.

The wait is over, that has been stated quite some time ago.

[Jon the VGNerd]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Living Tribunal:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jon the VGNerd:

Can't wait until they start claiming that older, physical games are deemed as "licenses", just to spit on the faces of real gamers who truly care about retro and vintage games and consoles alike while also giving us gamers a bad name all at the same time.

Heaven forbid if there are people like those who get on my face and berate me, just because I'm playing a game on my PSP just to pass time and reduce boredom. IRL even.

The wait is over, that has been stated quite some time ago.

Unfortunately for them, I'll just keep buying them through online stores, namely eBay, or other retro gaming sites whenever available besides Amazon. Chances of them finding me are pretty nonexistent, really. And if they do and try and take them from me well... let's just say that they're likely going to receive the Ubisoft treatment.

And if any other folks were to tell me that I'm not allowed to have fun with games and consoles, both new and old, then I'll simply keep on playing. I'm sure many folks who still play games they have with them will certainly agree with me.

[Start_Running]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jon the VGNerd:

Początkowo opublikowane przez crunchyfrog:

Cool, prove that, because I can categorically say that is not true.

Prove to me where it says that for a start. Because I'd be surprised. I think you may be misreading it as referring to the service and not the product or you misunderstand law.

YOU CANNOT overrule statuory rights.

That's what that term on all contracts means "your statutory rights are not affected".

Statutory rights are your basic right and laws that apply to ALL products or sales.

Things like OWNERHSIP OF PRODUCT.

So soryy you're demonstrably wrong under the Consumer Rights Act. But that clause you're referring to I'll happily take a look at .

Can't wait until they start claiming that older, physical games are deemed as "licenses", just to spit on the faces of real gamers who truly care about retro and vintage games and consoles alike while also giving us gamers a bad name all at the same time.

You never read the EULA's tha those games popped up during install did you?
The license thing has been pretty much standard since the late 80's.
:p


Not reading stuff seems to be one of the most consistent sources of issues with gamers these days.

[Jon the VGNerd]

See my previous post:

"Unfortunately for them, I'll just keep buying them through online stores, namely eBay, or other retro gaming sites whenever available besides Amazon. Chances of them finding me are pretty nonexistent, really. And if they do and try and take them from me well... let's just say that they're likely going to receive the Ubisoft treatment.

And if any other folks were to tell me that I'm not allowed to have fun with games and consoles, both new and old, then I'll simply keep on playing. I'm sure many folks who still play games they have with them will certainly agree with me."

If you were to say that to any and all eSport competitors around the world, there'd be laughter all around. And don't get me started on Reddit either.

[Ben Lubar]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jon the VGNerd:

See my previous post:

"Unfortunately for them, I'll just keep buying them through online stores, namely eBay, or other retro gaming sites whenever available besides Amazon. Chances of them finding me are pretty nonexistent, really. And if they do and try and take them from me well... let's just say that they're likely going to receive the Ubisoft treatment.

And if any other folks were to tell me that I'm not allowed to have fun with games and consoles, both new and old, then I'll simply keep on playing. I'm sure many folks who still play games they have with them will certainly agree with me."

If you were to say that to any and all eSport competitors around the world, there'd be laughter all around. And don't get me started on Reddit either.

How many times has a company tried to physically take games away from you that you now have to do this?