“recommended” specs often misleading
They have begun to do it now, but when a game says “this is the recommended GPU” it often fails to say the resolution, frame rate, and quality presets. My new pc is beefy and will last some time, but I still frustrates me
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That's not misleading. Just presume recommended means 1080p at 60Hz unless stated differently. If you want specific information on how a game performs, there's loads of YouTube videos where you type the cpu, gpu, name of the game and it'll show the performance on varying settings & resolutions.
nullable 8. jan. kl. 7:08 
It's never been a standard. In my experience the recommend settings are usually pretty safe to run the game at 1080p/high settings/60FPS. Minimum requirements suffer from the same problem. Some of this has to do with the history of minimum/recommended settings. Back in the day you had a finite space on the box (well you still do) for such information and in the early days of Steam (and other launchers) having the same information on the box and on the game's store page makes sense.

Finite space on the box is less of a concern now of course. But changing how we do it industry-wide after decades of status quo is easier said then done.

Also, arguably, if you do spell out performance targets people will get mad and claim they've been lied to whenever they don't hit those targets. Could be they barely or "mostly" meet the recommended specs, or their PC is mis-configured or they otherwise cherry pick or unreasonably expect concrete precision. Customers are fickle.

Ultimately system requirements fall in the category of "if you want to be right, be vague".

I expect slow change on the system requirements front, some games are pretty details about spelling out performance and that may become the norm in the coming decades, but we've all managed to live with it for decades, what makes today special where it's suddenly "misleading".
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🌠Deusgo 8. jan. kl. 7:11 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:
That's not misleading. Just presume recommended means 1080p at 60Hz unless stated differently. If you want specific information on how a game performs, there's loads of YouTube videos where you type the cpu, gpu, name of the game and it'll show the performance on varying settings & resolutions.
Well I have bought games on my old pc, and they ran trash even though they are the recommended specs. Had to put them on low just to reach 60 fps and they recommended that? Lol
ReBoot 8. jan. kl. 7:29 
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Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:
That's not misleading. Just presume recommended means 1080p at 60Hz unless stated differently. If you want specific information on how a game performs, there's loads of YouTube videos where you type the cpu, gpu, name of the game and it'll show the performance on varying settings & resolutions.
Well I have bought games on my old pc, and they ran trash even though they are the recommended specs. Had to put them on low just to reach 60 fps and they recommended that? Lol
They may shoot for 30 FPS & medium graphics because that's what the majority of the market shoots for.
Crazy Tiger 8. jan. kl. 7:29 
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That's not misleading. Just presume recommended means 1080p at 60Hz unless stated differently. If you want specific information on how a game performs, there's loads of YouTube videos where you type the cpu, gpu, name of the game and it'll show the performance on varying settings & resolutions.
Well I have bought games on my old pc, and they ran trash even though they are the recommended specs. Had to put them on low just to reach 60 fps and they recommended that? Lol
Have you considered that his might not actually be caused by the games? Or arbitrary vies on fps and such?

But if we add anecdotes, I've played loads of games on my potato laptop that were way below specs and the games ran perfectly fine on medium settings. Seems they overestimate their specs.
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nullable 8. jan. kl. 7:37 
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Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:
That's not misleading. Just presume recommended means 1080p at 60Hz unless stated differently. If you want specific information on how a game performs, there's loads of YouTube videos where you type the cpu, gpu, name of the game and it'll show the performance on varying settings & resolutions.
Well I have bought games on my old pc, and they ran trash even though they are the recommended specs. Had to put them on low just to reach 60 fps and they recommended that? Lol

Well, I did touch this. The specs are fuzzy, and without specific examples and your hardware specs to gauge how reasonable your assessment is, it's hard to be certain how accurate your claims are. Especially when they go against personal experience.

It's plausible that your old PC wasn't as good as you appraised it, maybe you were rounding up a bit, or there were other issues. Two systems can be similar on paper if you're vague, but once you dig in they can perform quite differently. Slow RAM, insufficient cooling. A few percent performance here and there starts adding up.

In twenty five years I haven't experienced system requirements being off so far as you claim. And one edge case exception hardly makes for a strong argument. In my experience the minimum requirements let will get you 1080p medium/medium-low, 60FPS. But minimum system requirements can be fuzzier still than recommended requirements. But it's rarely anywhere close to "below this and the game won't boot"
recommended can mean - game worked on that hardware for devs
in some games, when i do gpu benchmark, i get ultra ultra ultra, game starts i do gpu benchmark, high very high and medium, this is only a problem with new games being released, or ill start the game in low settings, do gpu benchmark, and it will tell me its ok to go back into ultra for best performance, i go back, and the game has 10 fps, so yeah, never go on recommended for any game, just set your own settings the way you know them
🌠Deusgo 8. jan. kl. 8:15 
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Well I have bought games on my old pc, and they ran trash even though they are the recommended specs. Had to put them on low just to reach 60 fps and they recommended that? Lol

Well, I did touch this. The specs are fuzzy, and without specific examples and your hardware specs to gauge how reasonable your assessment is, it's hard to be certain how accurate your claims are. Especially when they go against personal experience.

It's plausible that your old PC wasn't as good as you appraised it, maybe you were rounding up a bit, or there were other issues. Two systems can be similar on paper if you're vague, but once you dig in they can perform quite differently. Slow RAM, insufficient cooling. A few percent performance here and there starts adding up.

In twenty five years I haven't experienced system requirements being off so far as you claim. And one edge case exception hardly makes for a strong argument. In my experience the minimum requirements let will get you 1080p medium/medium-low, 60FPS. But minimum system requirements can be fuzzier still than recommended requirements. But it's rarely anywhere close to "below this and the game won't boot"
Yeah, pcs are hit and miss. Seems like even if you build them identically they will still have different performances haha
Crazy Tiger 8. jan. kl. 8:23 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Princess Luna:
recommended can mean - game worked on that hardware for devs
It cna mean all kinds of things. There is no standard to minimum or recommended specs, which is the main issue people run into. People do treat it like that and make up things the specs should fulfil or mean so they actually create their own disappointment.
Tito Shivan 8. jan. kl. 9:16 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Gen. Deusgo:
They have begun to do it now, but when a game says “this is the recommended GPU” it often fails to say the resolution, frame rate, and quality presets.
Spoilers: There's no standard of what 'minimum' and 'recommended' requirements amount to.
Ben Lubar 8. jan. kl. 9:19 
I actually removed the recommended section from my game's system requirements.

The game runs on an engine from 2010, so any computer from this century is probably fine as long as it has the hardware and software support for running the game in the first place.

If you want to run the game well, the hardware requirements are going to almost entirely depend on what you're doing in the game. If you're just playing without mods on normal difficulty, you can get by with the bare minimum specs even on very high resolutions and frame rates. If you're playing a custom game mode where there are ten times as many enemies with a gigabyte of downloaded cosmetic addons, you're gonna need some slightly beefier hardware to make the game not struggle to render frames in time.

For almost every game, my best advice for you is to play it if you think it sounds interesting, and if it doesn't perform well enough on your hardware and you don't feel like it's worth upgrading your hardware to play that specific game, you'll know well within the first two hours of gameplay and you can get a refund no questions asked.

There are just too many possible hardware and software combinations for a studio to test even a fraction of the possible setups you could be running the game on if they're developing for PC. The best they can do is tell you the lowest-spec machine they've ever tried to run it on, or the technologies that are required to make the game start up.

Beyond that, just ask for a refund if a game you decided looks interesting doesn't work well enough on your system.
crunchyfrog 8. jan. kl. 10:08 
Then you don't understand what recommended or such means.

I'll admit it's FAR from perfect, but at least it's something.

The problem is that there is NO WAY to make this really any better. Purely because there are so many different variables, there is no way any company or anyone can calculate all possible variables to give such an answer.

The point is these terms are GUIDELINES at best. It does not guarantee a standard of performance or fluidity.
J4MESOX4D 8. jan. kl. 10:27 
I've seen a few developers add additional information to their specs on the store page i.e:-

RECOMMENDED
Graphics: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070ti/ Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070
Storage: 90 GB available space
Additional Notes: Graphics Preset: MEDIUM / Resolution: 1440p / Target FPS: 60.

and these have been so misleading or wrong that it's just caused complete confusion among users. Sometimes you can wait for benchmarks or just have to take a punt. I've also seen plenty of games where the minimum card is high yet low-end users can still comfortably run the game on reasonable settings at a decent 1080p resolution.
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Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:
That's not misleading. Just presume recommended means 1080p at 60Hz unless stated differently. If you want specific information on how a game performs, there's loads of YouTube videos where you type the cpu, gpu, name of the game and it'll show the performance on varying settings & resolutions.
Well I have bought games on my old pc, and they ran trash even though they are the recommended specs. Had to put them on low just to reach 60 fps and they recommended that? Lol
There are factors that can make something run poorly on a system with a specific cpu/gpu and when dealing with the factor it can run well. Generally as I said, you can go to youtube, type cpu, gpu, name of the game; look at the videos showing the various resolutions and settings as to the FPS it hits.
If you fail to achieve anything near that, then things like a full main drive also being the os drive, and very low ram will strongly negatively affect performance.

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Yeah, pcs are hit and miss. Seems like even if you build them identically they will still have different performances haha
Well if one has 16-32BGs of RAM and plays flawlessly with the recommended specs, the game takes 11GBs of RAM to operate and someone with a different system has 8GBs of RAM and half is used for the OS & background apps to which it performs poorly, then operator error is a thing.
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