Jexx 1 月 8 日 上午 5:33
Early Access - Needs to be renamed
I recommend changing the naming of games from Early Access to Crowdfunding to better show the fact that games released this way are an attempt to raise funding not as an early access to a game that will be release, as name suggests (as per the terms, EA games may never get released it's a risk you take).

Yes you get the game before completion, but that is a byproduct of crowdfunding and not what you are actually pay out for, as is the free testing the studio gets in the process.

I feel this change would help people view these types of games (and the studios) in a different way, not every studio has investors with deep pockets (or any in some cases it seems).

Additionally, I have no idea if Steam does anything to police studios, but repeated EA/Crowdfunding with no release should cause a ban on this type of release by the studio/publisher.

Not sure anyone from Steam actually reads these...
引用自 pckirk:
引用自 Jexx
I recommend changing the naming of games from Early Access to Crowdfunding to better show the fact that games released this way are an attempt to raise funding not as an early access to a game that will be release, as name suggests (as per the terms, EA games may never get released it's a risk you take).

Yes you get the game before completion, but that is a byproduct of crowdfunding and not what you are actually pay out for, as is the free testing the studio gets in the process.

I feel this change would help people view these types of games (and the studios) in a different way, not every studio has investors with deep pockets (or any in some cases it seems).

Additionally, I have no idea if Steam does anything to police studios, but repeated EA/Crowdfunding with no release should cause a ban on this type of release by the studio/publisher.

Not sure anyone from Steam actually reads these...

No, Steam or Valve employees are in this Steam sub-forum, "Steam Discussions" is a Steam User Community only sub-forum. You need to post in the steam suggestions and Ideas sub-forum, if you want steam or valve to read it.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/
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Nx Machina 1 月 8 日 上午 5:35 
Purchasing is voluntary not mandatory and there is very clear warning sign as to what an Early Access game is:

Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it DEVELOPS.

This Early Access game is NOT COMPLETE and MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE FURTHER. If YOU are not excited to play this game in its CURRENT STATE, then YOU should WAIT to see IF the game progresses further in DEVELOPMENT.

So the question remains - is waiting a problem?

AAA games do not have that warning.
HEXEN 1 月 8 日 上午 5:39 
Why cater to people who can’t grasp the basics of reading and comprehension? Early Access description and the store page provide all the information needed for a decision.

If they skip the big blue info box and just YOLO their purchase, that’s on them ...
Chika Ogiue 1 月 8 日 上午 5:44 
Early Access is not crowdfunding. Crowdfunding allows you to pay at different tiers for different levels of funding support and perks. Early Access only lets you buy the game. And there is plenty of warning of what you are getting.
Crazy Tiger 1 月 8 日 上午 5:47 
It isn't crowdfunding.

People who see an Early Access game as anything other than an unfinished game that might or might not change/finish, are looking at it WRONG.
Jexx 1 月 8 日 上午 5:48 
You seem to have missed the point of my statement/request.

I'm talking about clarity, EA suggests early access to a game, which implies a game that will be finished (as I stated, I'm fully aware of what EA is).
Crowdfunding would be clear to people that it is about funding, not a finished product.

People focus on specific words, marketing is built around it, currently the marketing is geared to misleading people, regardless of if it is explained, that may or may not be the intent.

My point in my post is that the naming is misleading.
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pckirk 1 月 8 日 上午 5:48 
引用自 Jexx
I recommend changing the naming of games from Early Access to Crowdfunding to better show the fact that games released this way are an attempt to raise funding not as an early access to a game that will be release, as name suggests (as per the terms, EA games may never get released it's a risk you take).

Yes you get the game before completion, but that is a byproduct of crowdfunding and not what you are actually pay out for, as is the free testing the studio gets in the process.

I feel this change would help people view these types of games (and the studios) in a different way, not every studio has investors with deep pockets (or any in some cases it seems).

Additionally, I have no idea if Steam does anything to police studios, but repeated EA/Crowdfunding with no release should cause a ban on this type of release by the studio/publisher.

Not sure anyone from Steam actually reads these...

No, Steam or Valve employees are in this Steam sub-forum, "Steam Discussions" is a Steam User Community only sub-forum. You need to post in the steam suggestions and Ideas sub-forum, if you want steam or valve to read it.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/
最後修改者:pckirk; 1 月 8 日 上午 5:49
Crazy Tiger 1 月 8 日 上午 5:49 
引用自 Jexx
Crowdfunding would be clear to people that it is about funding, not a finished product.
Early Access isn't about funding.

引用自 Jexx
My point in my post is that the naming is misleading.
Which is incorrect, the name perfectly fits.

People who make up false expectations and can't read properly, that's the issue.
最後修改者:Crazy Tiger; 1 月 8 日 上午 5:50
Aluvard 1 月 8 日 上午 5:53 
引用自 Jexx
You seem to have missed the point of my statement/request.

I'm talking about clarity, EA suggests early access to a game, which implies a game that will be finished (as I stated, I'm fully aware of what EA is).
Crowdfunding would be clear to people that it is about funding, not a finished product.

People focus on specific words, marketing is built around it, currently the marketing is geared to misleading people, regardless of if it is explained, that may or may not be the intent.

My point in my post is that the naming is misleading.
No it doesn't. Every EA games has same content in blue box placed above "Add to cart".
Early Access Game
Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it develops.
Note: Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

It clearly states that game may not be completed and if you're not sure about your purchase then it's better to wait.
最後修改者:Aluvard; 1 月 8 日 上午 5:54
HEXEN 1 月 8 日 上午 5:59 
引用自 Jexx
You seem to have missed the point of my statement/request.

I'm talking about clarity, EA suggests early access to a game, which implies a game that will be finished (as I stated, I'm fully aware of what EA is).
Crowdfunding would be clear to people that it is about funding, not a finished product.

People focus on specific words, marketing is built around it, currently the marketing is geared to misleading people, regardless of if it is explained, that may or may not be the intent.

My point in my post is that the naming is misleading.
No, it's not.
Nx Machina 1 月 8 日 上午 6:15 
引用自 Jexx
You seem to have missed the point of my statement/request.

I'm talking about clarity, EA suggests early access to a game, which implies a game that will be finished (as I stated, I'm fully aware of what EA is).

Where exactly in the following does it state a game will be finished?

Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it DEVELOPS.

This Early Access game is NOT COMPLETE and MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE FURTHER. If YOU are not excited to play this game in its CURRENT STATE, then YOU should WAIT to see IF the game progresses further in DEVELOPMENT.


If as you claim you are fully aware you chose to ignore the wording.


So the question remains - is waiting a problem?
Chika Ogiue 1 月 8 日 上午 6:18 
引用自 Jexx
I'm talking about clarity, EA suggests early access to a game, which implies a game that will be finished

You complain about people focusing on words, but you're focusing on words that aren't even implied while ignore those that are specifically spelt out for you. That being, that the game MAY NOT FINISH development. There is no implication in the words "Early Access" or the intent behind them that you will 100% get a finished product. All the words Early Access (and the intent behind them) tell you is they you get to play the game early, before it's potential (and not guaranteed) full release.

For that matter, many games released as full products aren't even that.

Feel free to pass on any and all games regardless of development status if you're not excited to play in the current state with the potentiality that no further development will ever occur.
BJWyler 1 月 8 日 上午 6:28 
Crowdfunding is a different concept. Valve even states in the dev contract that Early Access should not be used as the sole means of funding the game. Early Access is exactly what you are getting. You are buying an early, unfinished build of the game.

You are buying the game "As is." It's not different than if I walk into my local sporting goods store or appliance store and buy a floor model treadmill as is, or a floor model refrigerator as is. All sales are final and As is have been hallmarks of the Free Market Economy for decades.

I am buying that product as it sits with no further implied warranties or functionality. It may work perfectly fine for the next 10 years, or it may fall apart a week after I get home. That is the risk I take for buying something "As is." An Early Access game is no different. You are buying a product as it sits and you are entitled to nothing more than that, nor is anything more than that promised. The fact that there are people in this world who are unable to grasp that simple concept does not mean that there is anything borked with or anything that needs to be fixed with Early Access. The only thing that needs fixing are the attitudes when it comes to the entitlement some wrongly believe they are due.

Back in the day, I was fortunate enough to have the right connections in order to be invited to closed Alpha and Beta testing of games. So I was able to play games that my friends could not, in an early state of development. Many of those projects, developed by indie or smaller studios, never made it past the closed testing phase for one reason or another. However, I was able to play quite a few that made it to the finish line and beyond. My friends never saw the projects that were never finished, they only got to see the ones that made it to store shelves.

What things like crowdfunding and Early Access enable now is the ability of my friends to buy their way into those testing phases they were never a part of back in the day. They now get to see what I got to see as an Alpha and Beta tester. They get to see the trials and tribulations of game development as it happens, and yes - they even get to see the failures. That's the only difference here. Game development hasn't changed all that much from those glory days. It's just that more people are now able to participate in a process that was traditionally only reserved for in house personnel, or a select few outsiders, like myself.

There is nothing wrong with Early Access as it is, and there certainly is nothing that needs to be fixed with the concept in and of itself. It is working as intended, and I for one, am glad to now have the opportunity to experience and play games that (even with my old connections) I would never have the opportunity to play and experience today. And I certainly don't think that the process needs to be changed or ruined because a select few people don't have the wherewithal to manage their own expectations about the game development process. This isn't rocket science. These are concepts so simple that even a caveman like myself can understand them.

I am so sick of the lack of simple reading comprehension and understanding that results in posts complaining about Early Access. I've had more issues with games that are supposedly complete and officially released than I have about Early Access which give you exactly what is advertised. Sometimes even more.

The inability to manage one's expectations and control one's own purchasing habits is 100% entirely a "you" problem. If you want a complete game, buy it when it's complete. Simple as.
ShelLuser 1 月 8 日 上午 6:28 
Bit of a dumb suggestion I think, because early access is not crowdfunding.

With crowdfunding you donate money with the promise of maybe someday getting something (depending on the goal). Usually you gift money without any expectation or getting something because... mostly people need funding without strings attached.

With early access you pay to get... (drumroll)... early access to the (unfinished) game. Sure, for the developer it may be important to get some extra funds, but for us gamers it's about getting something new.

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引用自 Jexx
I'm talking about clarity, EA suggests early access to a game, which implies a game that will be finished (as I stated, I'm fully aware of what EA is).
No it doesn't, it doesn't imply anything other than getting early access to an obviously unfinished game. No more, no less.

Heck, this is even spelled out on every. single. EA. product. page.

Not to mention... there's no saving people who only buy based on a name without doing any further research while also managing to ignore all the hard to miss banners... A name change won't change anything here.

... other than confusing thousands of Steamers who may now wonder where EA went :P
最後修改者:ShelLuser; 1 月 8 日 上午 6:35
Knee 1 月 8 日 上午 8:58 
引用自 Jexx
You seem to have missed the point of my statement/request.

I'm talking about clarity, EA suggests early access to a game, which implies a game that will be finished (as I stated, I'm fully aware of what EA is).
Except it is defined what an Early Access title is, and that definition includes: may or may not be finished. So no, the name they chose to use for developers giving access to their games that are early in development do not imply that a game will be ever finished.
Ben Lubar 1 月 8 日 上午 9:06 
Using Early Access as a form of crowdfunding is actually one of the few things that are explicitly against the rules for Early Access games specifically.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/earlyaccess
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