Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[Komarimaru]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Crashed:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Komarimaru:

Oh, I'm sure Windows 7 will still work for Steam for the most part after Dec. But it will be like Windows XP, things just won't work, and eventually you won't even be able to connect. There were a few tricks to make XP work, but that's mostly dead now, cannot connect to download servers.

What happened with XP was sudden death when an update made steamui.dll incompatible.

Oh, there were work arounds for that. I was in the forums during that chaos lol. But now, no matter what steam version ya try, can't connect to any download servers for XP is what am saying.

[TehCookie]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xautos:

Windows 7 is dead and buried, accept it and move on. you don't have a choice and you are forced to accept it.

Like it or not at the start of next year windows 7 support is being withdrawn from Steam, it won't work any more on windows 7. Either upgrade to windows 10 or mac or linux -- or throw your computer away, whatever your choice, you have to move on. There is no argument it's done.

Now any stubborn windows 7 years left: either make the move to change or have it made for you.

Why can't I have both? I like keeping my old PC's for nostalgia reasons and having them work the same way they did? My Win98 works the exact same decades later. The games I bought back then work the exact same. Fun fact, XP can still play youtube and videos, as for "muh security" oh no they'll find my inuyasha fan fiction or be able to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ under my name. Saying people are not allowed to use a computer because it's old is pure retardation. You don't need a cutting edge PC for doing old things, myself included just want the old things to work the same that they did. If I had to send this PC in for repairs, I'd be using win7 right now to play games to pass the time.

[bidulless]

Hello

We have time, no hurry to upgrade to something else if we do not want or can't

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Komarimaru:

Oh, I'm sure Windows 7 will still work for Steam for the most part after Dec. But it will be like Windows XP, things just won't work, and eventually you won't even be able to connect. There were a few tricks to make XP work, but that's mostly dead now, cannot connect to download servers.

Hello

Funny, now you are more reasonable than before ... good point .May be we can talk about something else like what do you think about w11 for exemple ? or what can be better between w11 or any linux distro ? for running game during 2024. I've seen people wanted to have some advices but can't remember it name ....

[RiO]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

The difference was that when you bought a physical copy of a game, you literally owned THAT COPY of the game. The license said, in the simplest of terms, you own just this one copy, and you are not allowed to make and sell copies of it.

The point I was trying to make is this: Ever since software was originally sold for computers we have never "Actually owned it" even if we buy a physical copy of it. We had to agree to licenses forever since computers were sold to the public way back in the 1970's. Us not owning our digital copies of games today isn't any different. Some folks act like this is a new thing, it's not. It has always been this way for all game or software for computers.

True. But limitations on the right to pass or sell software on to second-hand owners didn't become a broadly adopted thing in end-user license agreements until somewhere in the '90s.

And enforcing acceptance of updates or modifications to the content that goes with a purchased license, didn't become a broadly adopted thing until the 2010s.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

No, what's makes it a product is being a software.

no it doesn't...

Ursprünglich geschrieben von https://thelawdictionary.org/product/:

1. A product that is its finished stage, usually at the end of a production cycle.

well isn't that convenient for all of these "in development" things?

2.Law: A good distributed commercially that is (1) tangible personal property, (2) the result of a fabrication or production process, and (3) passed through the distribution channel before the consumption of the good.

so that's the law... it's a good distributed commercially that is 1. tangable personal property(for example a physical copy) 2. the result of a fabrication or production process(for example a physical copy) 3. passed through a distribution channel before the consumption of the good(for example a box retailer).

3. Marketing: A good or service that provides exactly what the buyer wants or need and the profit margin must be justifiable for it to be in production.

so ya, anyone is free to claim their service as a product.

That does not only apply to physical items. Software can indeed be a product regardless of having a physical medium.

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RiO:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

The point I was trying to make is this: Ever since software was originally sold for computers we have never "Actually owned it" even if we buy a physical copy of it. We had to agree to licenses forever since computers were sold to the public way back in the 1970's. Us not owning our digital copies of games today isn't any different. Some folks act like this is a new thing, it's not. It has always been this way for all game or software for computers.

True. But limitations on the right to pass or sell software on to second-hand owners didn't become a broadly adopted thing in end-user license agreements until somewhere in the '90s.

And enforcing acceptance of updates or modifications to the content that goes with a purchased license, didn't become a broadly adopted thing until the 2010s.

Hello

And do not forget than despite you have a cd or dvd , some game requier some sort of validation for the key you find on the box... ( drm check ) and sometimes if the server is not here anymore or if the key as allready been used, it won't work...
Or sometimes, despite you still have the cd or dvd , the install can refuse to work on your system( xp era ,....)

i tryed to setup some old quake stuff i've bought long time ago and i wasn't able to install them .. glad, theses addons has been released for free nowaday but it wasn't the case some years ago .

[PdGgM]

Windows 7 is eol for 3 years btw.

just use linux and upgrade the lifetime of your pc to infinity lol.

[MonkehMaster]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PdGgM:

Windows 7 is eol for 3 years btw.

and?

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MonkehMaster:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

Coolm, then your claim is dismissed as rubbish and you're being dishonest.

That's how burden of proof works.

nah, you can go check microsoft for win 7 ESU.

That's not how burden of proof works.

YOU made the claim that it was bad and your reasoning was one word - Microsoft.

Ergo, anyone that presents a claim must back it up with evidence. You failed utterly and knew you were being disingenious.

And so, this means your claim must be dismissed as bollocks. Now you can always turn it around by presenting adequate empirical evidence. But until then I'm sorry, reality doesn't work like that.

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MonkehMaster:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PdGgM:

Windows 7 is eol for 3 years btw.

and?

And the point is when you have notice that something's being phased out, the problem is YOU for not paying attention.

[Crashed]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MonkehMaster:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PdGgM:

Windows 7 is eol for 3 years btw.

and?

You're asking a lot from a SaaS provider to continue support.

[Wolfstorm]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MonkehMaster:

and?

And the point is when you have notice that something's being phased out, the problem is YOU for not paying attention.

Everybody is paying attention. We just don't want a system that hijack our control over our own computer. And we don't want a system that spam popups about celebrities every five minutes, that updates every week and re-enables these popups after every update. We just don't like spam and malware, we were educated to not like it.

I use uBlock constantly on websites, I block popups with login screens and "sign now" invites, that's how I can read articles in modern websites. Tradingview, for instance, have the picture of a guy always popping up in the screen. It appear after you stay one minute looking at the charts. I just block it.

Now imagine this on a system level, outside of the browser. The computer becomes unusable, and also causes PTSD in some people, as you will be expecting a new popup to appear at any minute.

We don't like spam. How is this hard to understand? We don't like it. We will not use Windows 10 because of it. Now, I wanted to use Windows 11, because it was less invasive, but it won't let me install the video driver through a VM. Linux does, Windows does not.

[MonkehMaster]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MonkehMaster:

nah, you can go check microsoft for win 7 ESU.

That's not how burden of proof works.

YOU made the claim that it was bad and your reasoning was one word - Microsoft.

Ergo, anyone that presents a claim must back it up with evidence. You failed utterly and knew you were being disingenious.

And so, this means your claim must be dismissed as bollocks. Now you can always turn it around by presenting adequate empirical evidence. But until then I'm sorry, reality doesn't work like that.

i dont care one bit about your "burden of proof" BS, win 7 esu and microsoft prove me right, end of story.

yes, it works like that and you will have to deal with it.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MonkehMaster:

and?

And the point is when you have notice that something's being phased out, the problem is YOU for not paying attention.

"not paying attention", wrong as you have been told, no one cares if microsoft is supporting anything, microsoft is trash.

btw, pay better attention, then people wont have to repeat themselves.

[MonkehMaster]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Crashed:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MonkehMaster:

and?

You're asking a lot from a SaaS provider to continue support.

what are you on about?