Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[InfernusMatrix]

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Smiles:

Another one of these?

Look, valve is ending support, and this isn't a fight you are going to win, in court or otherwise. Do you really want to die on this hill over an antiquated os that you knew would be obsolete eventually anyway?

You are capable of continuing to play your games, the only thing stopping you is your principles.

I'd save the effort for a fight that actually matters and can be won tbh, but that's just me.

Are we going to have these same discussions when the same happens to Windows 10 and 11?

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Smiles:

Another one of these?

Look, valve is ending support, and this isn't a fight you are going to win, in court or otherwise. Do you really want to die on this hill over an antiquated os that you knew would be obsolete eventually anyway?

You are capable of continuing to play your games, the only thing stopping you is your principles.

I'd save the effort for a fight that actually matters and can be won tbh, but that's just me.

Are we going to have these same discussions when the same happens to Windows 10 and 11?

And so every time MS wants to make more money with some redundant new OS, our games go away. Not a very good way to do business.

[Satoru]

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

Windows 7 can run DX 12

No it doesnt. MS only gave support for an extremely narrow range of games, literally less than 5.

[qutoe]. But that's besides the point, [/quote]

No the that is one of just many points but hye just ignore them!

[qutoe]games that I bought which supported Windows 7 are now not going to work because of the Content Delivery / DRM system choosing to not support Windows 7?[/quote]

Your willful ignorance of not wanting to run Windows 10 is the reason. No

No one is asking for them to support Win98 and XP which are radically different from each other.

You are asking literally the same thing. Many of the underlying technologies that underpin literally every appilcation you touch in modern times, relies on middleware that is all dropping windows 7 support.

Why would I upgrade when the games I bought only require Windows 7?

Why should steam cotninue to support an unsupported and insecure OS because you have an irrational fear of Windows 10/11

Steam needs to re-think this. I am far from the only one still using Windows 7.

DOZENS OF US! THERE ARE DOZENS OF US.

Yeah I mean sure you are 'not the only one' but you are a tiny subset of irrational users behaving irrationally. Steam doesn't really cater their service to irrational users.

[Vox]

Windows 7 support ended in 2020
The ESU support ended at the start of 2023.

The only version of Windows 7 that's still supported is the embedded version, which is already on year 2 of ESU.

There's little reason for developers to support an operating system that's not supported by Microsoft.

If you don't want to use Windows 10 or 11 then the alternative is Linux.

[Satoru]

Publicado originalmente por Beltneck:

Winodws problems are so cute.

Get on linux like everyone else who is sick of proprietary garbage getting in the way of perfectly functioning machines.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/1640915206447625383/

Ubuntu would LOVE to have a word with you. Or did we forget about that whole "oh sorry we were totally going to drop all 32 bit binaries and make literally 99% of your Linux steam library unusable to the point Valve itself had to come screaming to you about it". Its funny when MS is doing better than Ubuntu for backwards compatibility. But you know *sips tea* that's none of my business right?

[InfernusMatrix]

Publicado originalmente por Satoru:

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

Windows 7 can run DX 12

No it doesnt. MS only gave support for an extremely narrow range of games, literally less than 5.

[qutoe]. But that's besides the point,

No the that is one of just many points but hye just ignore them!

[qutoe]games that I bought which supported Windows 7 are now not going to work because of the Content Delivery / DRM system choosing to not support Windows 7?[/quote]

Your willful ignorance of not wanting to run Windows 10 is the reason. No

No one is asking for them to support Win98 and XP which are radically different from each other.

You are asking literally the same thing. Many of the underlying technologies that underpin literally every appilcation you touch in modern times, relies on middleware that is all dropping windows 7 support.

Why would I upgrade when the games I bought only require Windows 7?

Why should steam cotninue to support an unsupported and insecure OS because you have an irrational fear of Windows 10/11

Steam needs to re-think this. I am far from the only one still using Windows 7.

DOZENS OF US! THERE ARE DOZENS OF US.


Yeah I mean sure you are 'not the only one' but you are a tiny subset of irrational users behaving irrationally. Steam doesn't really cater their service to irrational users. [/quote]

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I am not asking steam to provide security to my Operating system. I just want to play the games I bought that support Windows 7 its simple really.

[InfernusMatrix]

Publicado originalmente por nullable:

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

The games I bought support Windows 7. I should be able to play the games I bought without a Content Management system being my overlord. Is this simple enough to understand? lol!

I understand your feelings. But you know how you said you'd never agree to this or that earlier, but then it turns out you did?

Same deal. You agreed to this. Wanting to renegotiate it after the fact is quaint.

None of these things were a secret. If you had such strong opinions, you probably should of done your research first.

You act like a TOS is a Blood oath or something... Weird... Steam will have some tough questions to face in the future for sure.

[Satoru]

Publicado originalmente por Beltneck:

Publicado originalmente por Satoru:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/1640915206447625383/

Ubuntu would LOVE to have a word with you. Or did we forget about that whole "oh sorry we were totally going to drop all 32 bit binaries and make literally 99% of your steam library unusable". Its funny when MS is doing better than Ubuntu for backwards compatibility

and yet here I am running programs form the early 2000s and 90s without issue.

Yes and only because literally EVERYONE screamed about it. If they didn't ALL that stuff would no longer work in Ubuntu

But you know lets ignore that right? I mean lets LITERALLY IGNORE Ubuntu was going to kill EVERYTHING 32-bit, all your games, programs, everything. Dead. But no MS is the villain? MS is always the evil one. Not the distro that literally was going to kill 32-bit entirely and be like Apple/Android. Right?

[InfernusMatrix]

So many useful applications are 32bit that will never be recompiled for 64bit. I cannot imagine using a computer without some of the old programs I have collected over the years.

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

guys... if you want to find where you stand....
call consumer affairs or the equivalent in your country
steam/valve know what they are doing... and
98% of users are ready for 2024

maybe the groups you are affiliated with will run
programs to get you into windows 10..

it cant be fun for those who are in financial situations
and those that need help to move to a new system...
but no laws are being broken... we agreed to the steam
terms when we installed steam and started playing games...

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

I'm sorry OP. Our Corporatist Comrade Commissars have arrived to protect their Oligarch. You have no reason to complain, and if you continue, they will fight with all their will and money.

Take down your post now, and you will be treated with charity, and kindness.

LOL!!!!!

It is indeed strange how people defend the corporate shenanigans, instead blaming the consumer as if I am somehow at fault for wanting to use software I purchased.

"YOU" purchased? No, whatever you have belongs to THEM, not you. Don't say that again here. They're not taking anything away from you. You just cant use what you bought anymore. Conform, or be cast out. This is a warning.

[Mr. Smiles]

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

Are we going to have these same discussions when the same happens to Windows 10 and 11?

Yes, we are, because it's going to happen. It will always happen. Software becomes obsolete and support is dropped. And there is always someone who doesn't want to update their os for whatever reason.

But they never win the fight. If they did, everyone would still be running windows 4.1 with no issues.

I'll see you in 2025.

[Chika Ogiue]

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

I will talk to a lawyer and get some advice on my options.

Be sure to show them the SSA. In particular, this:

C. NO GUARANTEES

TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, NEITHER VALVE NOR ITS AFFILIATES GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE CONTENT AND SERVICES, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION(S) OR ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.

And then have fun arguing why that should be invalidated by a court of law simply because you refuse to change your OS.

[InfernusMatrix]

Publicado originalmente por Chika Ogiue:

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

I will talk to a lawyer and get some advice on my options.

Be sure to show them the SSA. In particular, this:

C. NO GUARANTEES

TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, NEITHER VALVE NOR ITS AFFILIATES GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE CONTENT AND SERVICES, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION(S) OR ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.

And then have fun arguing why that should be invalidated by a court of law simply because you refuse to change your OS.

The software I bought supports Windows 7, this was the game developers choice. Why should I not be allowed to use my software that supports Windows 7 on Windows 7?

I have other software and games that I cannot migrate to Windows 10.

I think a Jury would agree.

[ShelLuser]

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

Publicado originalmente por ShelLuser:

Sure you can, as long as you keep using a more modern OS; as dictated by Microsoft.
...
Come on... how old are you exactly?

1. Microsoft doesn't dictate what I do with my computer. I hand build each of mine.

And yet you use Windows 7 despite "obviously" knowing that Windows XP fared the same faith. I guess we can now establish that you agree this was all your doing.

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

2. I really don't care, I want to access and play the games I purchased. Simple right?

So upgrade to an OS that keeps you and the rest of the Internet safe. Simple.

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

3. Don't worry about my security. It's not your responsibility.

No, but it will become my concern when your computer gets taken over by scammers and then gets abused to try and lure me and many others into doing things we shouldn't be doing. This happens A LOT. Anyone with a clear bit of understanding and insight into Steam knows as much.

(edit): No personal offense intended but honestly: THIS line of thinking is the main reason why we get so much spam in our inboxes. Who cares what I do with my HIRED VPS and that it might send out e-mail, it's not YOUR concern...

I see you're not one of them.

Online security isn't just about you, it's also about making sure your computer doesn't get abused to swindle others; optionally in your name too.

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

4. Care to elaborate? That is interesting.

You never gave ANY of this any more thought but your own (kinda selfish IMO) ideas, right?

Who CARES there are half the world of other people on the Net who could be affected by my own actions.....

Nah... kudo's to you for responding (no sarcasm, seriously.. ) but also.. shame on you for not bothering to think any of this through.

Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:

5. What does age have to do with this discussion?

When I get questioned I usually wonder where that may have come from and I look into the whole thing. Assuming it's a somewhat credible comment of course and I like to think that my previous comment was.