Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[Einzelherz]

I personally hate win10 as well. This forced bricking has me rethinking if I will use steam in the future. It's been bad enough when you download an older game in their store and it just doesn't work correctly because it's from older versions of windows and they just don't bother to inform you of the issues. Taking away my ability to play the games I already own and have installed is a bridge too far for me, and likely others.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Einzelherz:

I personally hate win10 as well. This forced bricking has me rethinking if I will use steam in the future. It's been bad enough when you download an older game in their store and it just doesn't work correctly because it's from older versions of windows and they just don't bother to inform you of the issues. Taking away my ability to play the games I already own and have installed is a bridge too far for me, and likely others.

It's not forced bricking, it's the system requirements increasing.

When was the last time you purchased or activated a game on Steam, and did you read the SSA?

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย bidulless:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

who needs sources in 2023?

funny xd

ikr it is

[Mad Max]

All using Win 7: Lets talk about fixes, solutions, alternatives. These days few good games come out and the multiplayer aspect was very good about over two decades and it became much wanted. Now we have trolls and all sort of angry people, as evident by the thread here, who will soon make multiplayer worse than single player. With their Foxhole alt accounts, their gate camping and griefing in Eve, making their team lose in WoT and WoWS and their general need to annoy or grief other people every chance they get. So... with that in mind I think the solution might be in purchasing games from another outlet, cracking the games I bought on steam, and so on. No way I am installing Windows 11 that pile of half done bugged code with official backdoors, telemetry and who knows what else. I don't trust the self appointed authorities anymore. They are mostly corrupt and only want more and more money. And the system works for them so whoever hinted on that, goodluck trying to look at this with a legal resolution in mind. It doesn't work anymore.

The next solution I can think of is Linux. Because even Steam and the corporations have somehow not blocked that mostly free, king of all OS. Perhaps because they simply can't escape the father of networking which is UNIX/XENIX. With a good cpu it should be able to emulate winblows and make the non-Linux games work too. I don't think Steam is going to change its mind.

[TurtleShroom]

I am too stupid to properly operate Linux and most software doesn't work. Valve has the "Steam Proton", so I'd have my games, but I do a lot more than just gaming on my PC. Most of my software, and especially my old software, isn't Linux compatible. Just as I am too stupid to use Linux, so too am I too stupid to figure out its WINE emulator.

[Bee🐝]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Crashed:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bee🐝:

Did it ages ago in WinXP and once in 7 but it should still be repeatable. There’s multiple ways to get this working and they’re scattered around community sites.

In short? Install, patch, then run the setup file, then run it in XP compatibility mode.

After that don’t touch the directory. Don’t move it, uninstall it, stream it or even breath on it. It’s finicky as hell to get to work…but it works. I’m pretty sure if I messed with it now in anyway it will never work again.

Installing Win3.1, through Dosbox, to run Sim Tower was a heck of a lot easier than Sim Golf.

(Edit: Now, I still have my original disk but I don’t think it even cares.)

The issue is that Safedisc depends on SECDRV.SYS which traditionally was only distributed as 32-bit until Microsoft distributed a 64-bit build for some time. Since Windows 10 it is no longer distributed and the signature on the Vista through 8.1 versions isn't recognized by 10 or above, hence the requirement to "test sign" the driver to load it.

Just checked and other people are still able to install and run it new in Windows 10 - those Reddit posts are from last year.

Edit: For how they got it to work, you’ll have to talk to them.

[Mad Max]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย TurtleShroom:

I am too stupid to properly operate Linux and most software doesn't work. Valve has the "Steam Proton", so I'd have my games, but I do a lot more than just gaming on my PC. Most of my software, and especially my old software, isn't Linux compatible. Just as I am too stupid to use Linux, so too am I too stupid to figure out its WINE emulator.

Its very easy to make a multi-boot, parallel Linux installation. That way you can do both. Linux has evolved a lot over the years. Especially some of the free distros, like Linux Mint, have made the process very user friendly as welll as a desktop and UI that makes a Windoze convert feel at home. I have used it a long time ago when it needed it a long command including parameters just to connect to the internet, but that was too long ago. Now its changed.

It is absurd that the random programmers who have kept the free and best OS ever alive they code for free, for you and me, and they can overcome obstacles like building a bridge to the modern gaming scene with emulators, so much so that game devs especially those of multiplayer games cater for full compatibility with Linux. For instance, a Project Zomboid server running on a Linux machine is incomparably better than one running on Winblows machine which will just poop out when a lot of clients will connect to the server whereas Linux server will keep ticking. So let this picture sink in. Individuals can make stuff compatible, come up with emulators, have made a much faster and incomparably more secure OS and maintain it, and other than some distros (small company owned Linux builds) it is absolutely free. In sharp contrast, the big corporation that is MS it has lame excuses and has been unable to deliver an OS that can beat Linux. Their TCP/IPv6 proved useless, all their efforts to monopolize the scene failed horribly. To use their OS you also have to buy other programs like anti virus software, firewalls etc etc. Similarly Steam has the lame excuse of Google Chrome becoming incompatible. I bet if one of the Linux coder guys was motivated enough and has the free time they would easily dispense of that excuse in more than one way. Make a steam emulator, lol. How funny is that.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bee🐝:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Crashed:

The issue is that Safedisc depends on SECDRV.SYS which traditionally was only distributed as 32-bit until Microsoft distributed a 64-bit build for some time. Since Windows 10 it is no longer distributed and the signature on the Vista through 8.1 versions isn't recognized by 10 or above, hence the requirement to "test sign" the driver to load it.

Just checked and other people are still able to install and run it new in Windows 10 - those Reddit posts are from last year.

Edit: For how they got it to work, you’ll have to talk to them.

You might have missed it, but I shared this:
https://github.com/ericwj/PsSecDrv
It explains how to install SECDRV.SYS as well as hosting what is presumably the version from Windows 8.1.

[BuzzKiLL]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย InfernusMatrix:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย nullable:

Well you're the one trying to flex knowing trivia about Windows 98 like it's relevant, and you seem to think it's fine that support ended for OS'es you're not using. Or maybe you're unable to detect your own inconsistencies and hypocrisies?

All I'm saying is previous old, unsupported versions of windows with a low percentage of users have been removed from support in the past. Windows 7 is in that boat now. You seem to have trouble comprehending that methinks.

The games I bought support Windows 7. I should be able to play the games I bought without a Content Management system being my overlord. Is this simple enough to understand? lol!

That's the crux of the entire argument that people are either ignoring or just failing to understand.

The required OS for all my older games is Windows 7. They were MADE for Windows 7. Windows 10 didn't even exist when I bought some of those games. Now Steam is taking it upon themselves to 'rewrite' the system requirements for those older games that will make them unplayable under the 'original' agreed upon requirements from the day I bought them. I would never had bought those games if the system requirements said you needed Windows 10. So how am I NOT entitled to a refund when they were all sold as only needing Windows 7 to play. They're literally shutting down my games!

[Boblin the Goblin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BuzzKiLL:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย InfernusMatrix:

The games I bought support Windows 7. I should be able to play the games I bought without a Content Management system being my overlord. Is this simple enough to understand? lol!

That's the crux of the entire argument that people are either ignoring or just failing to understand.

The required OS for all my older games is Windows 7. They were MADE for Windows 7. Windows 10 didn't even exist when I bought some of those games. Now Steam is taking it upon themselves to 'rewrite' the system requirements for those older games that will make them unplayable under the 'original' agreed upon requirements from the day I bought them. I would never had bought those games if the system requirements said you needed Windows 10. So how am I NOT entitled to a refund when they were all sold as only needing Windows 7 to play. They're literally shutting down my games!

You aren't entitled to a refund because you agreed to upgrade the client as deemed needed by Valve. I have games that were made for Win 7, they run just fine on Win 10.

[Boblin the Goblin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 76561198083019420:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SlowMango:

You aren't entitled to a refund because you agreed to upgrade the client as deemed needed by Valve. I have games that were made for Win 7, they run just fine on Win 10.

wrong

Spamming that on every reply doesn't make it true.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Gpa:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ragefifty50:

i dont see much difference... my setup looks almost like 7 with the exception of the
centred taskbar...

so you have no reason not to like it... you just dont like it.... ok....

have fun..

Interesting, you presume to tell me I don't have a reason to dislike Win 10... then you say." you just don't like it"... isn't "that" a reason...?
I don't like milk... I detest liver... do I need to always state a reason for that before you can just accept that "I" don't like it...? No matter how many times you tell me your opinion of Win 10... it won't change my opinion of it... I've had that opinion since shortly after it came out.
You have a nice day now...

i said ok... i need nothing further from you

have fun...

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 76561198083019420:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SlowMango:

You aren't entitled to a refund because you agreed to upgrade the client as deemed needed by Valve. I have games that were made for Win 7, they run just fine on Win 10.

wrong

no you are wrong

you agreed to EULA when you created ur account, the eula clearly stated (even way back in 2005) that your account and pc is ur responsibility to maintain in working order for the steam client

not the steam client works around YOU but YOU workaround steam client


and yes all win7 games work flawless on win10

theres is not ONE win7 game that doesnt work

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 76561198083019420:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

no you are wrong

you agreed to EULA when you created ur account, the eula clearly stated (even way back in 2005) that your account and pc is ur responsibility to maintain in working order for the steam client

not the steam client works around YOU but YOU workaround steam client


and yes all win7 games work flawless on win10

theres is not ONE win7 game that doesnt work

eula doesn't matter its a worthless document lets not forget that valve says there are viruses on steam that valve put there

VALVE DOES NOT GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE SOFTWARE, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS(S).

...

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH VALVE WITH REGARD TO STEAM OR THE SOFTWARE IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF STEAM AND CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT.

...

Valve may amend this Agreement at any time in its sole discretion.

it means nothing

we will see how you feel when they delete ur account if "eula doesnt matter"

[Dr. Dro ඞ]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 76561198083019420:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

we will see how you feel when they delete ur account if "eula doesnt matter"

easy disputes tribunal win

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