Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[TurtleShroom]

TheBasedSociety lähetti viestin:

Rubbish. The i7-4770 can run Windows 11, just disable the TPM check if you don't have a dedicated module. However, 4th gen CPUs are literally 10 years old. You got its entire lifetime out of it and then some. You've no right to complain.

If the Intel Model I7-4770 CPU can run W11, no one told me that before. Do you have more information on this? The recommendation to skip W10 and go straight to W11 might be a better bet, because Valve is probably going to do this song and dance despite most PC's still running W10.

I actually got this PC in 2019 AD, after a decade of using one from 2009 AD. Due to the fact that I don't play the most demanding AAA games, and because of my background and trade school education, I took great steps to future-proof my PC in terms of both its RAM and graphics cards.

While it's not perfect, and it's still obsolete, I don't need to upgrade anything, though I may finally be forced to upgrade the OS.

I assume that the system is still like it was from "Windows XP" to "Windows Vista" or "Windows VII" to "Windows X", where you simply download the OS and upgrade in-house, which keeps your settings and all that good jazz?

[Komarimaru]

I can vouche, that a 4770k will run Windows 11. The main issue with a 4770k isn't Windows 11, it's due to the fact it's so old for any games released in the past 5 years.

https://youtu.be/j9HV9V5nzOc

GN has a good break down on it and the 4790k.

Does it support the security features? No. But it can run the OS just fine. It's other software that it struggles in.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

You also need to post a source for " M$ deliberately made sure that all hardware before 2020 AD or so can't run it."

Do you know the CPU requirement for 11?

1 gigahertz


Certainly made before 2017

[[-=Bo-S=-]antyNWOvaccines]

xBCxRangers lähetti viestin:

TheBasedSociety lähetti viestin:

Do you still listen to cassette tapes and vinyl like, unironically instead of just a nostalgic thing

Windows 7 is 14 years old. You were probably a small child when it released. It's a little under half my entire lifetime on this planet and I'm turning 30 this year. Let it go, mate. Don't be this guy.

Well listen to CDs i bought in the 80's. Phil Collns, Van Halen, hundreds. And i can play them thru an Xbox. In fact, i think the CD's and production from back then, are better than today.

I mean i understand the argument about going to new OS, but i think EA did away with Win 7 when they got away from Origin, but i can still play my games.

I think the argument made here, is that a legacy launcher or something of the sort, may be too "expensive" for Mr Newell, given the small numbers. But my contention is those "small numbers' may end up being millions of people, and these forums just a dress rehearsal, of the calamity that's going to happen, say as compared to the XP days.

EA did not run away from Win7, today I updated the application and the games still work under Win 7, no lock as in the case of Steam

[Crashed]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| lähetti viestin:

TurtleShroom lähetti viestin:

I think I gave some good reasons why I am "that guy", because I do not own my W11 copy (if I get it) and M$ deliberately made sure that all hardware before 2020 AD or so can't run it.

What?

My PC has the Nvidia RTX 2060 - 2018

Motherboard Asus Prime B350M-A - 2017

EDIT

Corrected motherboard date.

Definitely not intended to run 7.

[TurtleShroom]

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

I can vouche, that a 4770k will run Windows 11. The main issue with a 4770k isn't Windows 11, it's due to the fact it's so old for any games released in the past 5 years.

Oh shoot, that's good to hear. That said, I actually have several games that have been updated newer than that, all of which run. "Tropico VI" was released in 2019 AD, and it runs with high fidelity graphics. "Crusader Kings III" was released in 2020 AD, and that runs on my computer. "Victoria III" was released last year, and it runs easily.

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

Does it support the security features? No. But it can run the OS just fine. It's other software that it struggles in.

The fact that it can't support the "security" features is actually a bonus, because those features exist to harm you if you transfer your W11.

Moreover, I will NEVER use an always-online M$ account to log into my own PC. While I don't mind having a M$ account active to use W11 matters, if I can't log into my PC without the Internet, that is a non-starter.

An acquaintance of mine explained to me how to set up "Windows X" with an offline and legacy user account, because she valued my fears against the security and evil of always-online monitoring. You can see what she wrote on my User Profile.

I am not sure if the advice can be reciprocated on W11, but if it can, that's another building block in keeping M$ from telling me what to do with my PC.

[Deadweight]

AmsterdamHeavy lähetti viestin:

The hardware survey has a sample size of 300K. That is a far larger sample size than needed to cover every user of Steam. It is 100x larger than a sufficient sample size based on the active monthly users.

It is "accurate". In fact, based on sample size it is FAR more accurate than the overwhelming majority of survey or polls of ANY type.

0.23% of the active monthly is absolutely not sufficient, especially when there's flaws with the collected data in the first place. The same survey says only 23% of users speak english. It's an abysmal sample, given the size of steam.

300k is about 0.5% of steam's daily active users, if it's still 62mil. Alternatively, you can go with the daily concurrent users of 29mil, so then the survey is 1% of users. I wouldn't call that a reliable sample at all, even if it hinted to a trend. Surveys like that are a joke.

Isn't the survey per-user and not per-computer, too? How is this even factoring in things like someone with multiple systems or boots? What about net cafes, how are they interpreted for the survey? That can be one computer counting for a lot of different people's data on the survey. Wouldn't that muddle things up?

[TurtleShroom]

Crashed lähetti viestin:

Definitely not intended to run 7.

While it was made with "Windows VIII" in mind (according to its sticker), my PC actually came with W10 pre-installed. I added my hard drive that had the PC and OS I used since 2009 AD. There was no issue in it and my PC can now duel boot into either.

Isn't it true that if it can run W10, it can run W11?

[Crashed]

TurtleShroom lähetti viestin:

Crashed lähetti viestin:

Definitely not intended to run 7.

While it was made with "Windows VIII" in mind (according to its sticker), my PC actually came with W10 pre-installed. I added my hard drive that had the PC and OS I used since 2009 AD. There was no issue in it and my PC can now duel boot into either.

Isn't it true that if it can run W10, it can run W11?

Why are you using Roman numerals? They aren't in any Microsoft Windows trademark.

[TurtleShroom]

Crashed lähetti viestin:

Why are you using Roman numerals? They aren't in any Microsoft Windows trademark.

1. Roman numerals are cool.

2. Actually, during the free campaign, it DID say "GWX" and the file extensions for the upgrade system said the same.

[[-=Bo-S=-]antyNWOvaccines]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| lähetti viestin:

xBCxRangers lähetti viestin:

Well since i'm here, and folks are asking maybe i can get some answers (sincere, being i really don't know) about Win 11, forget Win 10, being that'll be phased out relatively soon.

These games.

Brothers in Arms Roads to Hill 30 and various modifications (ie, bots on mp mode).

Brothers in Arms Earned in Blood.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

Mount & Blade Warband and the Whigs and Tories Mod.

Red Orchestra Ostront and the Darkest Hour Mod.

Sniper Elite 1.

COD 1 Classic.

COD 2 and modificatons.

COD United Offensive.

Those are mostly what i'm interested. I can rebuy them on GOG, but don't know i the modifications will work, either from Modhub or The Workshop.

Do you actually own Windows 10 or 11 to verify any of this?

Because:

https://imgur.com/a/70CFWFS

CoD 1 on Window 11

Windowed to prove to you that that is indeed Windows 11

hmmm, and how can we be sure that you really have win11? There are a lot of overlays on the web to change the appearance of icons, the taskbar, the start menu, etc., etc

TheBasedSociety lähetti viestin:

Blackpot lähetti viestin:

Damn id buy a lots of tapes, but im tight with budget. I have 40 years old cassette and it plays fine. Underground metal bands releasing lots of limited tapes. I have some.

I mean, me too. I've been restoring a tape deck from 1974. But to say I use that as my only source of music? LOL. It's a nostalgic thing. I'm not that egotistical to go out on a tirade because record labels no longer release music on cassette instead of just posting it on Spotify. Which, btw, no longer works on Windows 7 either.

where does it say i need spotify for pc? I can listen in my browser

and it's the same now with Steam, you can bypass certain functions and leave a given version for older systems for users, and for others who have already purchased equipment with win10, let them update as much as they want

[Dr. Dro ඞ]

-=Bo-S=-antyNWOvaccines lähetti viestin:

xBCxRangers lähetti viestin:

Well listen to CDs i bought in the 80's. Phil Collns, Van Halen, hundreds. And i can play them thru an Xbox. In fact, i think the CD's and production from back then, are better than today.

I mean i understand the argument about going to new OS, but i think EA did away with Win 7 when they got away from Origin, but i can still play my games.

I think the argument made here, is that a legacy launcher or something of the sort, may be too "expensive" for Mr Newell, given the small numbers. But my contention is those "small numbers' may end up being millions of people, and these forums just a dress rehearsal, of the calamity that's going to happen, say as compared to the XP days.

EA did not run away from Win7, today I updated the application and the games still work under Win 7, no lock as in the case of Steam

Everyone dropped Windows 7 support because Microsoft themselves did, and then Google Chrome dropping it made it impossible for everyone else who uses it or its framework to continue supporting it

it's 14 years old mate!!!! It's not a conspiracy

-=Bo-S=-antyNWOvaccines lähetti viestin:

where does it say i need spotify for pc? I can listen in my browser

and it's the same now with Steam, you can bypass certain functions and leave a given version for older systems for users, and for others who have already purchased equipment with win10, let them update as much as they want

You can't because web browsers no longer work on Windows 7. The ones that currently run on it will become old and eventually rot due to their advanced age. Try opening the internet on a web browser from when Windows 7 was new - here, download Firefox 3.6 and try to use the internet with it. Tell me how it goes.

[Komarimaru]

TurtleShroom lähetti viestin:

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

I can vouche, that a 4770k will run Windows 11. The main issue with a 4770k isn't Windows 11, it's due to the fact it's so old for any games released in the past 5 years.

Oh shoot, that's good to hear. That said, I actually have several games that have been updated newer than that, all of which run. "Tropico VI" was released in 2019 AD, and it runs with high fidelity graphics. "Crusader Kings III" was released in 2020 AD, and that runs on my computer. "Victoria III" was released last year, and it runs easily.

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

Does it support the security features? No. But it can run the OS just fine. It's other software that it struggles in.

The fact that it can't support the "security" features is actually a bonus, because those features exist to harm you if you transfer your W11.

Moreover, I will NEVER use an always-online M$ account to log into my own PC. While I don't mind having a M$ account active to use W11 matters, if I can't log into my PC without the Internet, that is a non-starter.

An acquaintance of mine explained to me how to set up "Windows X" with an offline and legacy user account, because she valued my fears against the security and evil of always-online monitoring. You can see what she wrote on my User Profile.

I am not sure if the advice can be reciprocated on W11, but if it can, that's another building block in keeping M$ from telling me what to do with my PC.

I generally meant, high end games. Things like, Cyberpunk 2077. Hogwarts. Horizon Zero Dawn. Even Control and Death Stranding. Thankfully it at least supports AVX2, but on heavy games it tends to peak to 80%+ usage vs say a modern i3 CPU like a 12100 or 13100 which are modern i3 4 cores.

Crusader Kings III, Tropico 6, etc. Not exactly the most demanding games to be released. Think I had an average 240 FPS at 4k in CK3.

[Komarimaru]

-=Bo-S=-antyNWOvaccines lähetti viestin:

C²C^Guyver |NZB| lähetti viestin:

Do you actually own Windows 10 or 11 to verify any of this?

Because:

https://imgur.com/a/70CFWFS

CoD 1 on Window 11

Windowed to prove to you that that is indeed Windows 11

hmmm, and how can we be sure that you really have win11? There are a lot of overlays on the web to change the appearance of icons, the taskbar, the start menu, etc., etc

It's literally Windows 11. Look at the bottom... Ya not got software to make 7 and 10 look like that yet...

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

if everyone gona throw tantrum cause they ending win7

i may as well throw tantrum cause they ended win98 support