Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

No laws broken.

If you contest all your purchases, which a bank won't do past a certain amount of time anyways, your account will be locked for fraud.

[InfernusMatrix]

Invaliding someone's legal purchases does not violate the law? I would maybe agree if Steam had everyone sign a new TOS pending the final update in December.

However this is not something I ever agreed too nor would I ever. I may not get the full amount back but there is always small claims court, which I doubt they would even show up for.

Not sure what bank you use but I've been able to reverse fraud that was over a year old.

I will talk to a lawyer and get some advice on my options.

[ShelLuser]

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point?

Sure you can, as long as you keep using a more modern OS; as dictated by Microsoft.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library.

Good luck with that, also considering that you agreed to several licenses during your sign up as well as your allegid purchasing sprees. Some of us don't need to hide our profile to get our points across.

Thanks for paying the 5 eddies to unlock your profile though. No, no sarcasm: such money also goes into keeping this place afloat and I can appreciate such nice gestures.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Then you're a fool. Because it will only be a matter of time before online criminals take advantage of all this.

And while I do agree that this is a development for the worse it's also someting we have to deal with. Wanna change this? Go complaint to Microsoft, your bank, and most of all: your government.

But I agree, that's way too much effort. Much easier to kill the messenger. Gee whiz, I wonder how that saying of "don't kill the messenger" came to be. Probably not related, must be the beer.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

Do you even read the licenses you agree to? Seems not. I do.

I actually registered on GoG to proof someone wrong (and I got corrected) yet at the same time I also discovered that strange things happen when you don't consent to some of their crap.

Gonna be interesting because I also know what GoG allows themselves to do witht he data they collect.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use

And they're not. Windows 7 going by bye is regulated by Microsoft.

Come on... wise up already.

[InfernusMatrix]

Originally posted by ShelLuser:

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point?

Sure you can, as long as you keep using a more modern OS; as dictated by Microsoft.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library.

Good luck with that, also considering that you agreed to several licenses during your sign up as well as your allegid purchasing sprees. Some of us don't need to hide our profile to get our points across.

Thanks for paying the 5 eddies to unlock your profile though. No, no sarcasm: such money also goes into keeping this place afloat and I can appreciate such nice gestures.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Then you're a fool. Because it will only be a matter of time before online criminals take advantage of all this.

And while I do agree that this is a development for the worse it's also someting we have to deal with. Wanna change this? Go complaint to Microsoft, your bank, and most of all: your government.

But I agree, that's way too much effort. Much easier to kill the messenger. Gee whiz, I wonder how that saying of "don't kill the messenger" came to be. Probably not related, must be the beer.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

Do you even read the licenses you agree to? Seems not. I do.

I actually registered on GoG to proof someone wrong (and I got corrected) yet at the same time I also discovered that strange things happen when you don't consent to some of their crap.

Gonna be interesting because I also know what GoG allows themselves to do witht he data they collect.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use

And they're not. Windows 7 going by bye is regulated by Microsoft.

Come on... how old are you exactly?

1. Microsoft doesn't dictate what I do with my computer. I hand build each of mine.

2. I really don't care, I want to access and play the games I purchased. Simple right?

3. Don't worry about my security. It's not your responsibility.

4. Care to elaborate? That is interesting.

5. What does age have to do with this discussion? Seriously? I am far from the only one being upset and annoyed by these recent developments.

[WhitePhantom]

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

Actually you did. To make use of your licensed content you need to install the Steam client. To install the Steam client you need to meet the system requirements.

"Steam and your Subscription(s) require the download and installation of Content and Services onto your computer. Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a non-exclusive license and right, to use the Content and Services for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms). This license ends upon termination of (a) this Agreement or (b) a Subscription that includes the license. The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time."

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement

[InfernusMatrix]

Windows 7 can run DX 12. But that's besides the point, games that I bought which supported Windows 7 are now not going to work because of the Content Delivery / DRM system choosing to not support Windows 7?

No one is asking for them to support Win98 and XP which are radically different from each other.

Why would I upgrade when the games I bought only require Windows 7? Steam needs to re-think this. I am far from the only one still using Windows 7.

[InfernusMatrix]

Originally posted by WhitePhantom:

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

Actually you did. To make use of your licensed content you need to install the Steam client. To install the Steam client you need to meet the system requirements.

"Steam and your Subscription(s) require the download and installation of Content and Services onto your computer. Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a non-exclusive license and right, to use the Content and Services for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms). This license ends upon termination of (a) this Agreement or (b) a Subscription that includes the license. The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time."

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement

How many times have they updated and changed this too? Hmmm I wonder.

Yeah and the games I bought at this time satisfied the requirement. I bought them under the premise the game supports Windows 7. So now Steam is going to tell developers too to not support Windows 7? What a load of crap.

Not sure of the legal term for this, could it possibly be called a Bait and Switch?

It is unreasonable to force people to use an operating system they do not want, when their purchased games run fine on their current hardware.

[InfernusMatrix]

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

Windows 7 can run DX 12. But that's besides the point, games that I bought which supported Windows 7 are now not going to work because of the Content Delivery / DRM system choosing to not support Windows 7?

No one is asking for them to support Win98 and XP which are radically different from each other.

Why would I upgrade when the games I bought only require Windows 7? Steam needs to re-think this. I am far from the only one still using Windows 7.

None of those statements are relevant. Windows 7 is old, not that many people use it. Lots of companies are ending support. Windows 7 won't run new versions of Chromium. Valve uses Chromium in their Steam client and they're making those updates.

It's not different than Win98 and XP. They were just old OS'es that had a minuscule user base and weren't worth continued support. That's all Windows 7 is.

You're not the only users grasping at straws looking for some gotcha. Ain't gonna work though.

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

How many times have they updated and changed this too? Hmmm I wonder.

It's not a secret. And it's not new.

You are really missing the point... Valve has not changed their license agreement once in the entire time they've been operating? Somehow I doubt that.

[InfernusMatrix]

Maybe not everyone has the money to upgrade to new hardware? Personally I just don't like Windows 10 and my reasons are justified for how I user my computer. But go ahead and keep adding your 2 cents.

[InfernusMatrix]

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

You are really missing the point... Valve has not changed their license agreement once in the entire time they've been operating? Somehow I doubt that.

I'm not missing the point, it's just not relevant. And your salvation probably isn't going to be found in SSA updates.

And even if you want to be suspicious about it, Win98 support was removed in 2007 and Valve likely thought about these issues years before that...

I had no idea they still supported Win98 that long lol. What I was getting at is 98 and XP are two very different operating systems at their core. The jump between 7, 8, and 10 is not so massive.

[xBCxRangers]

I personally think it does, but then again, we don't know if they may do what EA did ending Origin and coming out with a Legacy Client. And, idt they're doing anything in Jan. They'll almost certainly punt that.

[InfernusMatrix]

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

I personally think it does, but then again, we don't know if they may do what EA did ending Origin and coming out with a Legacy Client. And, idt they're doing anything in Jan. They'll almost certainly punt that.

A legacy client would be a nice option, hell I imagine it could even be open sourced if they really didn't want to maintain it themselves.

[xBCxRangers]

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

Maybe not everyone has the money to upgrade to new hardware? Personally I just don't like Windows 10 and my reasons are justified for how I user my computer. But go ahead and keep adding your 2 cents.

If you're too poor to upgrade, you have to know this day is coming. And if not, Valve isn't responsible for your circumstances or your delusion.

Valve also isn't responsible for your decisions to run an 15 year old unsupported OS.

If you're too poor, that means you can't afford to buy new games or upgrade. It doesn't mean they take away what you bought. After all, this is Valve, not the Gambino Crime Family.

[InfernusMatrix]

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by InfernusMatrix:

Maybe not everyone has the money to upgrade to new hardware? Personally I just don't like Windows 10 and my reasons are justified for how I user my computer. But go ahead and keep adding your 2 cents.

If you're too poor to upgrade, you have to know this day is coming. And if not, Valve isn't responsible for your circumstances or your delusion.

Valve also isn't responsible for your decisions to run an 15 year old unsupported OS.

Wow keep shilling for the big companies. As if I am somehow at fault for wanting to play my games that I legally purchased. I see no reason in upgrading hardware or operating system to play games that support Windows 7. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

I guess you don't know that Win98 was DOS based right? XP was based off of NT which every version of Windows since has been built off of, even if heavily rewritten. You are the one that brought them up. Acting like its somehow extremely burdensome to make a legacy client for Windows 7 users is completely moronic.

[InfernusMatrix]

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by nullable:

If you're too poor to upgrade, you have to know this day is coming. And if not, Valve isn't responsible for your circumstances or your delusion.

Valve also isn't responsible for your decisions to run an 15 year old unsupported OS.

If you're too poor, that means you can't afford to buy new games or upgrade. It doesn't mean they take away what you bought. After all, this is Valve, not the Gambino Crime Family.

Exactly, finally some common sense!