Why does Valve want to steal my games (licenses)?

[-=)V(=-]

I have an old laptop, it has W7 on it, on this W7 WORKS Steam and games!!! I play on it e.g. when traveling, match3 or hog games.
Question: why would Steam stop working on it if it currently works?
What a problem to leave the current version of Steam for owners of W7 and older systems and second newer and developed one for W10 and up?
I believe that the Consumer Ombudsman should be interested in the case, and owners of W7 computers should consider a class action against Valve.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

"So those are your options. Update to something that's not so old that there's no support from any software made. Or terminate your contract with Steam".

And of course, Steam will refund me for the games i already bought that will no longer play.

You've more then played the game for their cost. You aren't losing your games.

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

"So those are your options. Update to something that's not so old that there's no support from any software made. Or terminate your contract with Steam".

And of course, Steam will refund me for the games i already bought that will no longer play.

You've more then played the game for their cost. You aren't losing your games.

That's a ridiculous statement. Wouldn't know where to start with that.

[Lixire]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por RiO:

No, actually what you're posing is a bad comparison.

It's more like back in 1990 you paid a one-time lump sum for a lifetime lease on a car somewhere in LA, on the condition that you bring it back in to the same dealership once a month every month of the year for a tune-up; checking that everything is still OK with it; and that you haven't done anything against the terms of the lease with it.

But then come 2023 you get a letter that due to circumstances you will now be required to bring the car in to the dealership's new location, in NYC. Once every two weeks please.

Except no such thing as a lifetime lease.
And in a real lease, you're charged for damages, mileage, wear etc at the end of the lease. So, who is doing a bad comparison now?

Also, your Windows 7 OS expired in Warranty a literal decade ago. Thus, no support is required by any company for it. Your hardware is out of warranty as well, a decade ago. No software is required to support it, even if you bought it right this very moment.

Steam is updating, like it or not. No law will prevent it, if anything law mandates it.

People have tried this bologna each and every time Steam decommissions support for depreciated operating systems. Guess what happened? It updated, and they either updated as well, or canceled their contract with Steam.

So those are your options. Update to something that's not so old that there's no support from any software made. Or terminate your contract with Steam.

It happened multiple times like Valve ditching 98/Me in 2007 and then 2000 in 2010 or so. and then XP in 2019.
And people just moved on to a newer Windows release or switched to Linux.
its always going to end in the same way tbh.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Yes, you keep the games on the account. Just as with Steam. But once Playstation turns off those services, you can't download, install or play those games on the PS3 and Vita anymore.

I'm not talking about disc based games with online functionality, I'm talking about games bought on PSN for those consoles.

It's not just PC where you can potentially lose access to playing your games if you are using an old or unsupported device. With nowadays consoles it can happen just as easily.

Right, but you KEEP the games. I don't give a wit if Steam shut its storefront today. Eff them, but the games i bought i keep. Even digital games i bought on PS3 and 360, still play.

You also KEEP the games on Steam. So why isn't it an issue if Playstation would turn off all services for PS3 and Vita (as they wanted in 2021, but decided not to), but is it an issue if Steam doesn't support Win7? In both cases you can't directly download and install the games anymore.

[Elucidator]

Publicado originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

It happened multiple times like Valve ditching 98/Me in 2007 and then 2000 in 2010 or so. and then XP in 2019.
And people just moved on to a newer Windows release or switched to Linux.
its always going to end in the same way tbh.

I recommend switching to linux when you want to update, because oligopolies in capitalism just lead to depressive outcomes.
With any linux distro, you're garanteed that copy of linux is under your control and that your system works for you, not for a company.

Publicado originalmente por nullable:

If Valve doesn't spoonfeed you it's hopeless. Make your comparisons and ignore where they fall over. Pretend like this is the greatest injustice that's occurred in this decade. Whatever.

Maybe to them it is the greatest injustice of the decade, idk.
Pretend makes it sound like their emotions and thoughts aren't real and, aside from invalidating them, makes it sound like what they're doing is planned and has different, uncaring, inhumane intentions.

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por nullable:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Well, who else does it? If a car don't meet new EPA regulations, you keep the car and the next one will have to meet regulations. But you keep the car.

If your car isn't road worthy you can keep the car. You just can't use it until you make the repairs and it passes inspection. If it can't be made road worthy you can keep the car, do whatever you want with it. But don't drive it on public roads. You're in the market for a new car.

You can keep your PC do whatever you want with it. Valve doesn't owe you Windows 7 support. Buy Mount & Blade on GoG, it's $2.49 on sale right now. You've already wasted $2.49 of your life having a fit over normal end of support practices.

Or complain every day until January comes and then complain some more that January came and went. Sit on your hands and refuse to do anything. Just sit their and cry forgetting that you're using a PC and that gives you a lot of flexibility, even if you're just a contrarian.

You can keep the car, and if the matter is due to the manufacturer (like it is here), they recall the car, free of charge. But, you keep the car. You're not keeping the car here. They're blocking you from your driveway or garage.

Folks, i'd say this, there is a case. However, this really is a matter you "can" write to your local or government representatives about.

And don't be shy about it. You'd be surprised in the ridiculous matters they hear, and take up.

But if you're talking sizeable purchases and money, and access to products you purchased, being gouged for more money to access them, that's actionable.

There is no other industry that can get away with such a matter, and at a time Tech Companies are under fire for practices unbecoming consumers, and hearings thereof in whether they should be removed from certain umbrellas,, this is another one that should be on the docket.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

There is no other industry that can get away with such a matter, and at a time Tech Companies are under fire for practices unbecoming consumers, and hearings thereof in whether they should be removed from certain umbrellas,, this is another one that should be on the docket.

Hence why I said that digital laws regarding licensing need to be changed in order to change situations like this one.

Licensing as it is enables a lot of things most of us aren't a fan of.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

You've more then played the game for their cost. You aren't losing your games.

That's a ridiculous statement. Wouldn't know where to start with that.

Ok, let me break it down for you.
You've had plenty of time to upgrade.

Your hardware is from 2006. Your operating system is from 2009.

You updated once, obviously. So don't act like you don't know how to. So why can't you update again but this time hardware?

You paid for games somehow, yet are unable to find a cheap $200 used PC that's 200 times more powerful than you have now?

You could even get another optiplex for like, $150.
Heck, here's a video showing one updated for gaming even newer games than you play now probably, for $300 total cost.
https://youtu.be/LdNU8VWtCw0

You've so many options to keep playing your games. You've had options for many years, and many more months ahead of you.

PC is never, buy once and done. And never will be. You always have to upgrade at some point in your life, no matter what.

Besides, aren't you playing your games through Geforce Now? So don't even need Steam Installed, just owning the game?

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

That's a ridiculous statement. Wouldn't know where to start with that.

Ok, let me break it down for you.
You've had plenty of time to upgrade.

Your hardware is from 2006. Your operating system is from 2009.

You updated once, obviously. So don't act like you don't know how to. So why can't you update again but this time hardware?

You paid for games somehow, yet are unable to find a cheap $200 used PC that's 200 times more powerful than you have now?

You could even get another optiplex for like, $150.
Heck, here's a video showing one updated for gaming even newer games than you play now probably, for $300 total cost.
https://youtu.be/LdNU8VWtCw0

You've so many options to keep playing your games. You've had options for many years, and many more months ahead of you.

PC is never, buy once and done. And never will be. You always have to upgrade at some point in your life, no matter what.

Nobody can say who got their monies worth for what. That's up to individuals to make that determination, not you or Valve. It was a ridiculous statement. The only entity i know that could determine how to gouge customers for products they rightfully own, was the mob.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Ok, let me break it down for you.
You've had plenty of time to upgrade.

Your hardware is from 2006. Your operating system is from 2009.

You updated once, obviously. So don't act like you don't know how to. So why can't you update again but this time hardware?

You paid for games somehow, yet are unable to find a cheap $200 used PC that's 200 times more powerful than you have now?

You could even get another optiplex for like, $150.
Heck, here's a video showing one updated for gaming even newer games than you play now probably, for $300 total cost.
https://youtu.be/LdNU8VWtCw0

You've so many options to keep playing your games. You've had options for many years, and many more months ahead of you.

PC is never, buy once and done. And never will be. You always have to upgrade at some point in your life, no matter what.

Nobody can say who got their monies worth for what. That's up to individuals to make that determination, not you or Valve. It was a ridiculous statement.

Subjective. Especially considering you're forking out money for a subscription service to play your games due to the age of your hardware. A service that still works even if you can't log into the client anymore.

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Nobody can say who got their monies worth for what. That's up to individuals to make that determination, not you or Valve. It was a ridiculous statement.

Subjective. Especially considering you're forking out money for a subscription service to play your games due to the age of your hardware. A service that still works even if you can't log into the client anymore.

Well mention that in courts. "Your Honor, we feel if they purchased a product in 2006, they got their monies worth". Well, was this a rental? ' No, it was purchased". Well, if it was a purchase, they own a product, correct? "Well, not necessarily your honor" There's the issue.

If in fact Valve clearly stated these were rentals, and not purchases, that may have alleviated some, or even all of their responsibilities.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Subjective. Especially considering you're forking out money for a subscription service to play your games due to the age of your hardware. A service that still works even if you can't log into the client anymore.

Well mention that in courts. "Your Honor, we feel if they purchased a product in 2006, they got their monies worth". Well, was this a rental? ' No, it was purchased". Well, if it was a purchase, they own a product, correct? "Well, not necessarily your honor" There's the issue.

Bad news. You don't own your product. You own a license to it. You've not owned any software ever, since even the 80's. You've owned a license.

You paid for a license, and the physical media back then. You owned the media delivery, but you've never owned the software on it.

So, good luck with that mind set.

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Well mention that in courts. "Your Honor, we feel if they purchased a product in 2006, they got their monies worth". Well, was this a rental? ' No, it was purchased". Well, if it was a purchase, they own a product, correct? "Well, not necessarily your honor" There's the issue.

Bad news. You don't own your product. You own a license to it. You've not owned any software ever, since even the 80's. You've owned a license.

You paid for a license, and the physical media back then. You owned the media delivery, but you've never owned the software on it.

So, good luck with that mind set.

As i said above, if Steam made it clear these were rentals, and not purchases, that would alleviate most if not all their culpability. But when you "purchase" a game, it clearly states "purchased". Not purchased a license. Not a rental. That's a liability, if in fact what you're saying is true.

[Nx Machina]

Publicado originalmente por -=)V(=-:

And it is Valve who breaks the law by preventing me from selling my license in accordance with the judgment of the EU Court of Justice.

Wrong: It is not law it was a "ruling" in a French court which was overturned by another court who "ruled" games are art hence not applicable to being re-sold.

Secondly the EU Court of Justice has zero to with licences etc in fact.

The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) interprets EU law to make sure it is applied in the same way in all EU countries, and settles legal disputes between national governments and EU institutions.

It can also, in certain circumstances, be used by individuals, companies or organisations to take action against an EU institution, if they feel it has somehow infringed their rights.

Valve is a US company.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Bad news. You don't own your product. You own a license to it. You've not owned any software ever, since even the 80's. You've owned a license.

You paid for a license, and the physical media back then. You owned the media delivery, but you've never owned the software on it.

So, good luck with that mind set.

As i said above, if Steam made it clear these were rentals, and not purchases, that would alleviate most if not all their culpability. But when you "purchase" a game, it clearly states "purchased". Not purchased a license. Not a rental. That's a liability, if in fact what you're saying is true.

So, you never looked at every single store page, where it says EULA?

That means, End User License Agreement. The agreement to use the license for the software? You somehow missed that, in over 40 years? In every software to exist?