About matchmaking in team based games

[Archangel]

Why do devs rigged the matchmaking in modern team based games? it totally nulify all your effort and skill, you can train and practice hard but one person can ruin your game completely, you are the complete mercy of your team, that's already bad enough.

Why devs have to rigged it, it's all rigged even in mobile legends lol, is it true that guys like Gaben Newman who implemented this rigged matchking are psychopaths who derive pleasure from seeing other people suffering, is it true they want to cause psychological torture?

[Archangel]

Originalmente postado por Heraclius Caesar:

Originalmente postado por Ice Scream:

Because these types of people always blame teammates and dont look at themselves.

To be fair, there are certainly plenty of times where it happens that teammates can and do let down the team.

While I personally don't lambast anyone for their performance or complain openly about it, it can leave a bitter taste and be rather annoying when one significantly outperforms their team and most or all of the other team yet still loses the match because their team was so lacking.

It's happened to me many times across many games over many years. It happened to me just the other night in Team Deathmatch on Ace Combat, where I had 2 teammates who both scored a grand total of 0 by the end of the match and I had scored 70,000 - 80,000, while the other team were all 40,000 or less in score. The worst part of it was that I had seen both of my teammates do very well in other matches, so it's not even like they were brand new players in their first match, they were both fairly seasoned. Yet they were supremely useless teammates in that match.

I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt, we're all weak fallible humans at the end of the day and even the best pros out there have bad days/bad matches. Maybe they're just letting the game run during that match while they take a dab or blow a line or something? Who knows.

it's rigged, i don't know about ace combat but this is much more annoying in every team reliant games with synergies and role play like dota and mobas, if one person messed up it all went to ♥♥♥♥ while the enemy team did not make any mistake,

i don't know why these people defend it, the system is meant to make you keep playing, forever fall and climb, it's so obvious now and as time went on it became more and more obvious, more people will play it and more people will know

which is why i don't play mobas or team based games anymore, it's better to play fighting games and mmorpg now, no toxicity, no rigged matchmaking, it's all about skill

[Ice Scream]

Originalmente postado por Archangel:

Originalmente postado por Heraclius Caesar:

To be fair, there are certainly plenty of times where it happens that teammates can and do let down the team.

While I personally don't lambast anyone for their performance or complain openly about it, it can leave a bitter taste and be rather annoying when one significantly outperforms their team and most or all of the other team yet still loses the match because their team was so lacking.

It's happened to me many times across many games over many years. It happened to me just the other night in Team Deathmatch on Ace Combat, where I had 2 teammates who both scored a grand total of 0 by the end of the match and I had scored 70,000 - 80,000, while the other team were all 40,000 or less in score. The worst part of it was that I had seen both of my teammates do very well in other matches, so it's not even like they were brand new players in their first match, they were both fairly seasoned. Yet they were supremely useless teammates in that match.

I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt, we're all weak fallible humans at the end of the day and even the best pros out there have bad days/bad matches. Maybe they're just letting the game run during that match while they take a dab or blow a line or something? Who knows.

it's rigged, i don't know about ace combat but this is much more annoying in every team reliant games with synergies and role play like dota and mobas, if one person messed up it all went to ♥♥♥♥ while the enemy team did not make any mistake,

i don't know why these people defend it, the system is meant to make you keep playing, forever fall and climb, it's so obvious now and as time went on it became more and more obvious, more people will play it and more people will know

which is why i don't play mobas or team based games anymore, it's better to play fighting games and mmorpg now, no toxicity, no rigged matchmaking, it's all about skill

Lmao, If you THINK that people in mmo games are not toxic then you are delusional.

Also, hilarious how only YOU complain about matchmaking.

[Archangel]

Originalmente postado por Ice Scream:

Originalmente postado por Archangel:

it's rigged, i don't know about ace combat but this is much more annoying in every team reliant games with synergies and role play like dota and mobas, if one person messed up it all went to ♥♥♥♥ while the enemy team did not make any mistake,

i don't know why these people defend it, the system is meant to make you keep playing, forever fall and climb, it's so obvious now and as time went on it became more and more obvious, more people will play it and more people will know

which is why i don't play mobas or team based games anymore, it's better to play fighting games and mmorpg now, no toxicity, no rigged matchmaking, it's all about skill

Lmao, If you THINK that people in mmo games are not toxic then you are delusional.

Also, hilarious how only YOU complain about matchmaking.

only me? are you drunk?

[Lystent]

My number one takeaway from playing matches with randos: it has to be a miracle whenever the whole team is actually "on the same page" enough to be at full efficiency.

[Archangel]

Originalmente postado por Lystent:

My number one takeaway from playing matches with randos: it has to be a miracle whenever the whole team is actually "on the same page" enough to be at full efficiency.

shhhh careful bro steam might ban you for disrespect lmfao, steam actually ban people for disrespect hahaha what a joke

[Lystent]

IDK what you mean; I'm just saying that high levels of organization is often hard to find when randomly grouped players are involved. I personally would attribute it to a plethora of reasons, from players' experience, to whatever tactics individual players are prepared for, to how short of time you got for everyone to use whatever means of communication is available.

[RPG Gamer Man]

Originalmente postado por BJWyler:

Matchmaking was a thing long before Steam. One thing to note about competitions and competitive matches. Someone is always better than you, and you aren't as good as you think. The players who are genuinely skilled understand concepts like that and never come to a forum to complain that something is rigged.

LOL..people used to say i was soo good, i could snipe people across maps, until some cheaters started to appear in every game i was. That is when i quit some of those team type shooters. I have not played them since. If you ever played soldier of forturne back in the day, i was the death sniper..lol.

[Ben Lubar]

I think the shift from "play with the same group of people every time" to "play with people an algorithm has decided will make the fairest match" has killed my interest in multiplayer shooters. I was always in the bottom 10% of players on the server, but I was having fun because it was familiar to me and the people were friendly and nobody cared who won because it wasn't tracked anywhere permanent.

[Ben Lubar]

Originalmente postado por dejan123:

Originalmente postado por Ben Lubar:

I think the shift from "play with the same group of people every time" to "play with people an algorithm has decided will make the fairest match" has killed my interest in multiplayer shooters. I was always in the bottom 10% of players on the server, but I was having fun because it was familiar to me and the people were friendly and nobody cared who won because it wasn't tracked anywhere permanent.

You DESERVED to be banned from those FPS games, crying about it on the steam forums isn't going to get you unbanned. Maybe you should think about your actions before you cheat in a video-game next time?

What?

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Originalmente postado por dejan123:

Originalmente postado por Ben Lubar:

I think the shift from "play with the same group of people every time" to "play with people an algorithm has decided will make the fairest match" has killed my interest in multiplayer shooters. I was always in the bottom 10% of players on the server, but I was having fun because it was familiar to me and the people were friendly and nobody cared who won because it wasn't tracked anywhere permanent.

You DESERVED to be banned from those FPS games, crying about it on the steam forums isn't going to get you unbanned. Maybe you should think about your actions before you cheat in a video-game next time?

Do you need reminder to watch what you say before you yourself get in trouble?

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Originalmente postado por Archangel:

Originalmente postado por Lystent:

My number one takeaway from playing matches with randos: it has to be a miracle whenever the whole team is actually "on the same page" enough to be at full efficiency.

shhhh careful bro steam might ban you for disrespect lmfao, steam actually ban people for disrespect hahaha what a joke

It is because Valve abuse their power with bad moderation. It has become obvious.

[Lystent]

Originalmente postado por Ben Lubar:

Originalmente postado por dejan123:

You DESERVED to be banned from those FPS games, crying about it on the steam forums isn't going to get you unbanned. Maybe you should think about your actions before you cheat in a video-game next time?

What?

Yeah, I'm scratching my head on this too; where did the mention of bans come from? I just see discussion regarding matchmaking methods on the post in question.

[Ben Lubar]

Originalmente postado por Pierre_The_Scumbag:

Stop playing team based games solo and thinking it means something, the only time solo player MMR systems work correctly is at the highest level, everything below that is manipulated by both the game and players, the biggest offenders being smurfing and boosting.

That's the thing, I miss the era where you'd connect to a server run by a community you were in rather than something decided by an algorithm. That's still true for a lot of smaller games, but big games tend to go with matchmaking nowadays.

Sure, maybe the people who ran the server would mess with it and interrupt gameplay with shenanigans sometimes, but that was part of the appeal.

[Sarkani]

For anyone who wants to know if Dota 2 Matchmaking is rigged.... leave it be for one week and then play some games. You will have very friendly, talkactive teammates, one guy who carries the whole thing and almost no resistance from enemies whatsoever.

After some games, when the algorithm sees he got you back, it will throw you in with the toxic guys, abandoners, flamers, griefers again.

This is reality and very easily observable.

There are scientific researches out there that write about how to maximize player engagement. And this is just one of many tactics, push and pull. Just like narcissism. The moment the game realizes it has abused you enough for you to be ready to quit, it gives you the sweetest games again.

So yes, there is no boubt about rigged matchmaking.