Video games market should be regulated

[biesoid]

No preorder exclusive content.

No multiple version of the game with different content - you pay for the game and get everything.

No time limited FOMO inducing events - all the content in game should be available at all times, game shouldn't force you to play more than you want.

Matchmaking algorithms should be transparent, rigged matchmaking like in Call of Duty should be illegal.

Game as a service should be illegal, if you pay for the game you have the right to know what you're paying for. In Call of Duty they keep rotating available game modes, if you like Gunfight you might log in and find out it's gone.

There should be no macrotransactions at all.

F2P games should be illegal as they're all designed to manipulate people into wasting too much time, money and exploit sunken cost fallacy, so people can't quit them easily.

Subscriptions to play multiplayer should be illegal - the online services should be part of game's price.

Charging for the game and then for subscription (WoW) should be illegal.

You should be able to sell game after you beat it or don't want to play anymore.

[wesnef]

引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：

I've read this whole point and immediately, halfway thru, I think "this guy must be from Europe".

Just check his profile, he's from Poland.

I actually agree with almost everything he said. It stand as no surprise that the only market which actually try to do the right thing in this regard is the EU.

Most of those are not "the right thing". Most of those are crazy ideas that would either destroy the game industry completely, or price many people out of playing games (amusing, since one of the other crazy complaint threads the OP has made said that he can't afford to game).

And a number of the things he lists are also general normal retail things that have existed since before videogames or computers came to be. ("FOMO" for example)

[Ellie ⁠≧⁠▽⁠≦]

play single player games and support indie creators

[miakisfan]

引用自 biesoid：

引用自 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋：

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Strangle capitalists before they strangle you.

Notice how all these big corporations like to talk about mental health awareness, what they don't tell you is they hire psychologists who help them exploit human behaviour to maximise profits.

Later, according to their protestant mentality, they will share some profits with charity organisations and call it "social responsibility", but they don't care about ruining people's health in first place.

There are people who spent hundreds on some Candy Crush games thinking they enjoy it, but they need help. Regulation is needed to stop that.

What is the opposite of capitalism? Being forced to buy things at a price you are told to without any negotiation possible? Because last time I checked places that don't use capitalistic methods force you to buy at a price whether you like it or not without any negotiations.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people forget if you don't get it one way you will get it another way and that other way may be far worse.

Way to try to turn this into a woke argument halfway through, too. Donating to your church whenever you go is basically the same thing except it is the person donating that is being socially responsible. I could go on but since this is the internet you are only likely to care about what you think even if it isn't based off sensibility.

Once again, all this complaining does is make us realize it is about you and not common sense. I want this, I want that. Didn't Veruca Salt sing a song like that on Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory? Someone along the lines of "I want it now?" That's really what we are deadling with in most every topic here.

[Start_Running]

引用自 miakisfan：

引用自 biesoid：

Strangle capitalists before they strangle you.

Notice how all these big corporations like to talk about mental health awareness, what they don't tell you is they hire psychologists who help them exploit human behaviour to maximise profits.

Later, according to their protestant mentality, they will share some profits with charity organisations and call it "social responsibility", but they don't care about ruining people's health in first place.

There are people who spent hundreds on some Candy Crush games thinking they enjoy it, but they need help. Regulation is needed to stop that.

What is the opposite of capitalism? Being forced to buy things at a price you are told to without any negotiation possible? Because last time I checked places that don't use capitalistic methods force you to buy at a price whether you like it or not without any negotiations.

Actually the opposite iof capitalism is where the state determines what you needs and gives it to you so long as you remain a productive member of the society. WHich doesn't bode well for viddeo games since thems be the worst of luxuries. The kind the cause you spend time doing it instead of bettering the glorious motherland

[cinedine]

引用自 biesoid：

Charging for the game and then for subscription (WoW) should be illegal.

WoW and the Final Fantasies are the absolute best games for this very reason. Little to none predatory monetisation, constant high quality updates (even Shadowlands ... kind of), and the best of all: mostly actual players. No aggressive botting and the chat spam is no comparison to F2P enabled games.
I don't pay monthly to be able to play. I pay a premium to be left alone with all that crap that is going on in other games. And considering that most people will pretty much exclusively or mainly play these games, 15 moneyz per month isn't that wild.

引用自 biesoid：

Game as a service should be illegal, if you pay for the game you have the right to know what you're paying for. In Call of Duty they keep rotating available game modes, if you like Gunfight you might log in and find out it's gone.

Define GaaS.
As you mentioned WoW: that is one that fits the description perfectly. A lot of mobile games fit the description with regular updates and events.

GaaS is not bad and IMO actually the best thing you can do, if done right.
What most people mean is Diablo 4-style: pointless always-online, microtransactions and battle pass/season systems with FOMO rewards.

[biesoid]

World of Warcraft is probably one of the most destructive games ever, it even corrupted Blizzard so much they stopped making good games and all the key people left and now is just brand with dead franchises like Warcraft RTS, Starcraft and also Diablo, because Diablo IV isn't really a Diablo game.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 biesoid：

World of Warcraft is probably one of the most destructive games ever, it even corrupted Blizzard so much they stopped making good games and all the key people left and now is just brand with dead franchises like Warcraft RTS, Starcraft and also Diablo, because Diablo IV isn't really a Diablo game.

So World of Warcraft is bad, but not one of the games that you have featured on your profile? Which is also a Activision/Blizzard game

[Azure Fang]

引用自 biesoid：

World of Warcraft is probably one of the most destructive games ever, it even corrupted Blizzard so much they stopped making good games and all the key people left and now is just brand with dead franchises like Warcraft RTS, Starcraft and also Diablo, because Diablo IV isn't really a Diablo game.

Blizzard was corrupt long before WoW. They have a history of secretly crippling versions of their past games to get people to move on and buy new games or refreshes, they have no artistic intregity and will retcon anything if it means they can shoehorn in a sequel or spinoff, and they are and always have been almost as litigious as Nintendo when they think they can scare someone in a direction that benefits them.

If you really want to grasp at a tenuously appropriate example, you should have used Epic's 180 when Unreal became a hit and they unceremoniously abandoned their indie contractors overnight. But if you're unfamiliar with Blizzard's history I doubt you were around for that.

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

引用自 biesoid：

No preorder exclusive content.

No multiple version of the game with different content - you pay for the game and get everything.

No time limited FOMO inducing events - all the content in game should be available at all times, game shouldn't force you to play more than you want.

Matchmaking algorithms should be transparent, rigged matchmaking like in Call of Duty should be illegal.

Game as a service should be illegal, if you pay for the game you have the right to know what you're paying for. In Call of Duty they keep rotating available game modes, if you like Gunfight you might log in and find out it's gone.

There should be no macrotransactions at all.

F2P games should be illegal as they're all designed to manipulate people into wasting too much time, money and exploit sunken cost fallacy, so people can't quit them easily.

Subscriptions to play multiplayer should be illegal - the online services should be part of game's price.

Charging for the game and then for subscription (WoW) should be illegal.

You should be able to sell game after you beat it or don't want to play anymore.

Bro you are on point.
-No pre-orders
-No microtransactions
-No day 1 dlc (should be criminal)
-No day 1 patches (also criminal)
-If EA doesn't deliver or delivers a product other than advertised refunds should be guaranteed.
-Subscription based gaming shouldn't be allowed.
-If games are unsecured and ruined by hackers, dossers, and cheaters refunds should be issued.

[Start_Running]

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

引用自 biesoid：

No preorder exclusive content.

No multiple version of the game with different content - you pay for the game and get everything.

No time limited FOMO inducing events - all the content in game should be available at all times, game shouldn't force you to play more than you want.

Matchmaking algorithms should be transparent, rigged matchmaking like in Call of Duty should be illegal.

Game as a service should be illegal, if you pay for the game you have the right to know what you're paying for. In Call of Duty they keep rotating available game modes, if you like Gunfight you might log in and find out it's gone.

There should be no macrotransactions at all.

F2P games should be illegal as they're all designed to manipulate people into wasting too much time, money and exploit sunken cost fallacy, so people can't quit them easily.

Subscriptions to play multiplayer should be illegal - the online services should be part of game's price.

Charging for the game and then for subscription (WoW) should be illegal.

You should be able to sell game after you beat it or don't want to play anymore.

Bro you are on point.
-No pre-orders
-No microtransactions
-No day 1 dlc (should be criminal)
-No day 1 patches (also criminal)
-If EA doesn't deliver or delivers a product other than advertised refunds should be guaranteed.
-Subscription based gaming shouldn't be allowed.
-If games are unsecured and ruined by hackers, dossers, and cheaters refunds should be issued.

So

1. Limit consumer choice
2. FOrce games to have good ol macro transactions, again limiting consumer choice
3. Further Limits to consumer choice
4. So Leave the bug fixes until when?
5. The only product advertised is already deliver. ..An Unfinished game.
6. So No MMORPG's then, Limiting consumer choice
7. So basically you want all games to be streamed Which again limits consumer participation to a few very select geographic regions..



You know. You and the OP could just limit your own choices and leave everyone else to make their own.

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

Bro you are on point.
-No pre-orders
-No microtransactions
-No day 1 dlc (should be criminal)
-No day 1 patches (also criminal)
-If EA doesn't deliver or delivers a product other than advertised refunds should be guaranteed.
-Subscription based gaming shouldn't be allowed.
-If games are unsecured and ruined by hackers, dossers, and cheaters refunds should be issued.

So

1. Limit consumer choice
2. FOrce games to have good ol macro transactions, again limiting consumer choice
3. Further Limits to consumer choice
4. So Leave the bug fixes until when?
5. The only product advertised is already deliver. ..An Unfinished game.
6. So No MMORPG's then, Limiting consumer choice
7. So basically you want all games to be streamed Which again limits consumer participation to a few very select geographic regions..



You know. You and the OP could just limit your own choices and leave everyone else to make their own.

1. Pre-Orders are not consumer choice, actually the opposite lol. You want this Dlc mmmmmm. You want this early access mmmmmmm. You want dis demo for another game. Mmmmm. It's a way to lock in sales, for unknown products with unknown quality.
2. Microtransactions have time and time again proven to be bad in practice. Target 'whales' or people with disability. Some cosmetics (SF6, VALORANT?, POE, ETC) Cost game prices. Season passes, battle passes, all anti consumer.
3 and 4; A whole quality game that could be played without an internet update should be delivered to you upon your purchase.
5. They are asking for your investment to make the project happen. If it doesn't you should he protected.
6. MMO's can exist, they just can't have subs.
7. If streaming is the most innovative and secure way to game, it's time to look to the future and INNOVATE.

[Start_Running]

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

引用自 Start_Running：

So

1. Limit consumer choice
2. FOrce games to have good ol macro transactions, again limiting consumer choice
3. Further Limits to consumer choice
4. So Leave the bug fixes until when?
5. The only product advertised is already deliver. ..An Unfinished game.
6. So No MMORPG's then, Limiting consumer choice
7. So basically you want all games to be streamed Which again limits consumer participation to a few very select geographic regions..



You know. You and the OP could just limit your own choices and leave everyone else to make their own.

1. Pre-Orders are not consumer choice, actually the opposite lol. You want this Dlc mmmmmm. You want this early access mmmmmmm. You want dis demo for another game. Mmmmm. It's a way to lock in sales, for unknown products with unknown quality.

And like any purchase. The consumer choose.s. Maybe I don't care about the dlc
Maybe I don't like the developer.

So yeah COnsumer choice.

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

2. Microtransactions have time and time again proven to be bad in practice. Target 'whales' or people with disability. Some cosmetics (SF6, VALORANT?, POE, ETC) Cost game prices. Season passes, battle passes, all anti consumer.

Meh. It did well enough back in the 70's through early 2000's

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

3 and 4; A whole quality game that could be played without an internet update should be delivered to you upon your purchase.

Define 'quality' in an obkective manner.
Aklso. There has been no game that every released without bugs or glitches.
Thirdly. Your system having a hissy fit is not the software's problem. Get an actual computer instead of a repurposed toaster

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

5. They are asking for your investment to make the project happen. If it doesn't you should he protected.

No they are going to you and saying "GHey wanna buy an unfinished game?"
That's it. I know some people invent all kinds of BS narratives to justifyu their poorly thought out purchase decisions but that's the truth. All you're entitled to under the contract of sale is the unfinished game.

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

6. MMO's can exist, they just can't have subs.

You do realize that just means unskippable sponsered advertising right? Or at the very least MORE of it. No Thanks

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

7. If streaming is the most innovative and secure way to game, it's time to look to the future and INNOVATE.

Yup. Because who needs Modding :P

[wesnef]

引用自 biesoid：

World of Warcraft is probably one of the most destructive games ever, it even corrupted Blizzard so much they stopped making good games and all the key people left and now is just brand with dead franchises like Warcraft RTS, Starcraft and also Diablo, because Diablo IV isn't really a Diablo game.

. . . what did I just read? O_o

6. MMO's can exist, they just can't have subs.

Which means that they can't exist - the subs (or the microtransactions for non-sub games) pay for the servers, maintenance, and content updates. Without any additional money (subs or mtx), MMOs don't work.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 cinedine：

I don't pay monthly to be able to play. I pay a premium to be left alone with all that crap that is going on in other games.

I wish I could have that mindset with subscription games, but all I think is I have to play the game because I've paid for it.

引用自 BLOOD ASYLUM：

-If EA doesn't deliver or delivers a product other than advertised refunds should be guaranteed.

The whole point of EA is things are in development and subject to change. If you want a feature in a game, buy it when the feature is in. Manage your own expectations.

[JamesF0790]

Yeah, going to be a hard no to all of these thanks.