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I have been trying to help people think of and find solutions lately.
I have also been asking questions and answering them where asked, if I saw them at least.
There are a number of reasons why I haven't upgraded yet or ... have this ...
well... comfortzone with my current system I suppose (laziness?)
The things that say "taking games away"
in the past, CDs would degrade and stop working.
Floppies too, would just degrade basically.
buying a new copy was normal.
like... idk. Time takes games away basically. People try their best to preserve them, but still...
Perhaps there is a way to play oldies on newer systems.
Don't assume that there is not, because a ton of people are interested in programming nowadays and ... they managed to make Doom run in Task Manager, so.. you can expect them to be able to make it work in a browser if needed.
Anyway Valve didn't take your games away and at some point you're going to need to upgrade the system anyway. Yes, it sucks companies push people to it instead of letting them do it voluntarily, but I mean, the entire internet is TLS encrypted. If you wait a few years, your system cannot connect to any website. You have to maintain at the very least TLS compatibility and 1.3 got released not too long ago for example.
(otherwise you can't bank, etc.)
Its fine to keep your system around as is though, but yeah--
Edit:
So currently, you'd need to find a non-google browser (no chromium) that has TLS 1.3 support (and its own Trust Store), that works on Windows 7. (or xp, or win95, which ever system you wish to use I suppose).
in order to uhm, be able to use it basically for things other than printing your own documents.
... that alone will be extremely difficult. Firefox will drop support of windows 7, but perhaps one of its forks, Icecat or whatever, keeps supporting it.
In the future if you wish to revive a windows 7 machine, you will need something like this.
(never mind, k-meleon is too old.)
The problem is they essentially are because they want to block Windows 7/8 users from accessing Steam.
If they were for example just saying "We will not support Windows 7 anymore so if any graphical or major issues arise for Steam on this system then we will not be able to help you or release hotfixes to combat them." then everything would be fine because that is on the user to fix those problems or to upgrade to a different OS, but that is not what they are doing.
They are literally blocking people on Windows 7/8 from accessing Steam at all for what reason even? They want to display tabs or advertisement pop-ups in DX12?! I'm sure Google Chrome will even continue to work on Windows 7/8 with no alterations for years so what the heck is Valve thinking? What is Gabe thinking?!!
This is not Windows XP which had practically no userbase, we are talking about MILLIONS of people here being restricted from accessing things they purchased for no reason at ALL!!!
LIKE DANG Windows 7/8 userbase is more than the entirety of LINUX!!!!!!
98% of users are on win 10 and 11... today...
what percentage of the millions in the 2% are
going to upgrade... while you lock yourself out of your games...
til you do something that grants you access to them again...
your not losing anything...
I am just wondering out of curiosity.
What do you think of projects like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDz1yNVPTQs
(Customized WIndows installations basically)
Of course it doesn't stop valve from disabling the client for windows 7, 8, 8.1, but I am wondering if it would be an option in the mean time (if it comes to beyond that date.)
Imagine some other tweaks:
example 1: https://startallback.com/ (paid project apparently)
example 2: https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
(the point being you can basically make it look like and function similar to windows 7)
To me this is now how does Valve and most importantly Gabe see me as and the millions of other Windows 7 and 8 users! Are we just expendable worthless wallets to them? Or are we customers?
Because if they are going to throw us away like worthless garbage when we have been sticking around for years buying games from them and using their platform making them popular and then they just toss us away like we are hot garbage and not needed anymore then I don't want to give ANY money to support a company like that.
And the most important thing is what is Gabe's stance on this, we need to KNOW!
Anyone who is windows 7 or 8 user I highly recommend contact Steam Support and ask what is Gabe's stance on this announcement, we don't care about some announcement typed by a lawyer or whatever.
We need to know what GABE is stance is because if he is treating us like we are worthless even though we supported him so long then he and his company don't deserve US.
They see us as nothing more than wallets to milk as much as possible then throw away when it's not luxurious enough anymore!
I don't want to support a company that doesn't even treat me as a customer, but instead treats me like I am worthless!
even worried what win7/8 usesrs are going to do..
i am just here for the people that have the phobia stuff and upgrade and think
wow.. i wasted all the time worrying when win 10/11 is no drama at all.....
thoughts and prayers...
this is fine, and while its "not about steam not giving support 7 and 8.1" it give us an alternative to keep running steam.
i myself still use 8.1 because this BS of bloatware and telemetry, on my job my desktop uses windows10, after constant updates the machine started to go slow and taking it a lot just to start up windows, of course since its a typical office desktop computer you know they buy cheap ones just enough to run office right? so in a sense its less potent than my home desktop.
BUT after watching tutorial about removing bloatware telemetry and stopping some process, my desktop start to run pretty fine and now take less time to start up (usually took 2 minutes now take less than 30 secs) so i know what im going to do once i install windows 10.
in december holydays will spent some of my time about installing windows10 for free in my windows 8.1 with my code key ready, its not what i wanted but its the only alternative i have if i want to keep using steam because honestly if you expect valve will do something about this you will be dissapointed (didnt worked for #savetf2 will not work for this).
so by anychance if steam do something about this, then i will appreciated the effort you guys did to achieve such accomplishment, but then i really doubt it will happen.
Pale Moon.
When G/M get a wild hair, everyone seems to jump and do what they say.
The prob. is if you can use the browser now, you may not be able to in 2024.
Except there would be plenty of warning before hand if Windows 10/11 was going to have support ended and then I'd just upgrade to X OS. It is literally NO ONE else's fault but users that vehemently refuse to even make bare minimum upgrades on their obsolete hardware and software.
Up until that point, even microsoft didn't consider it an obsolete operating system.
Obsoleteness is a whole topic on its own, because depending on who you ask, for example if you ask Apple, they're very quick to obsolete the hardware (and stop selling it themselves).
Intel also has a reputation to do this, despite hardware being fast enough (enough cores for modern requirements)
One reason they do this is to ensure people pay the maximum money for their products (and prevent them from buying second hand, etc.)
Companies are trying to create artificially obscelete conditions simply because of profit alone. In essense, to them, the moment you buy your all new iphone, its already obselete to them. The shop you just bought it from, won't buy it back for the same or a similar price for example.
The point I am trying to make with this is that, most of the time its a bunch of tricks. Cars are a good example of this. You know for sure they are in use, supported literally everywhere (you can tank, etc.), and yet companies say they are obsolete.
It is a bit different in this case with the software, because Google and Microsoft pushing it and most companies following along with it. In a way it could be compared to crowd bullying. None of these companies though intent to limit the freedom, choices, hardware and software of each user and likely wish they could respect it, however it is a big networked issue.
Fact is, likely, several organizations are against these things, for one, as an example, it produces a severe amount of unnessecary E-Waste, since each system takes up space in one's home and homes are getting smaller and smaller (due to greed), so--, people will dispose of their older hardware (in all likelihood at least).
It is very hard to process processed things to retreive the minerals used in constructing them. There is plenty of valuable gold and such inside motherboards and phones and whatsnot which, if you could extract it would probably get you more money than the hardware alone.
Other organizations are simply against the museum effect that follows. A number of groups are against the industrial expansion / growth, unnessecary production, emptying of the planet (essentially) and overuse of resources we need (water for example), simply to produce hardware that, wouldn't even be truly needed, only because, corporate greed really. There are enough cars, there are enough phones, there are enough pcs, yet.. the factories don't stop.
EU wishes to create a more Upgrade and Repair oriented society, instead of seeing people constantly throw stuff away for new stuff.
Personally I like innitiatives that follow this, such as being able to buy refurbished hard drives. (which have essentially been fixed, renewed and tested)
It also gives me the feel of being passed down something with a bit of history, and a social connection to others.
There is nothing wrong with harddrives, despite the first world wealthiest considering them obsolete.
but personally I also like diskettes and other old, mechanical and noisy stuff. xD (Big Cables. Big hardware, Big slots, nice old resistors and capacitors visible everywhere xd.)
I think the way things used to be made and howyou could just see every soldered pieces on everything is interesting to look at. (Also, because it is big, its much easier to maintain)
And no, I am not a boomer.
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Anyway there are a number of reasons, beyond laziness why replacing stuff.. just feels naturally wrong. (There is also a number of psychological reasons, such as us being Routine animals for example. We don't like change usually.)
Also, it costs, it is stressful, it can even be somewhat painful (if you need to relearn and things got more complicated for example, or companies are doing stuff behind your back and you only find out later...)
Aside this, there are financial reasons... Computers are getting more expensive (next to more complicated.)
Its really hard to grasp for people, unless they grew up with it basically, but even then, even those people who grew up with it keep getting surprised by the software of now.
The GUI interface windows offers was more easy to grasp than DOS and shell-terminal-emulator input. (never mind that typing is.. not something naturally understood by people)
however, phones... those are probably harder to understand than the terminal on linux for them.
You press something with a name that usually doesn't make sense compared to what it does exactly, all kinds of nonsense happens, and boom.
Oh and rather than wi-fi, for whatever reason it used your cellphone connection for example; something weird like that might just happen.
"Oh you didn't read x, or y" usually its not even obvious where they can find info about this.
on the terminal, you just type "man (program name)", boom, everything you need to know.
on phones and modern pcs, you're going through a labyrith of ... places, settings options.
"just use search" (again, need to know the keywords in your own locale language, and everything is in english on the internet and program names aren't directly translated.)
People easily get lost on a modern system basically.
Too much, so they stay.
(aside from fear of losing compatibility or game experience I mean)
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But yes there is plenty of time to think, consider things, learn, talk,
till next year Steam will keep working on windows 8.1, 8 and 7. So.. yeah--
But I suspect that they may do what most people did in the early 2000 so that they can keep staying on their system even beyond that date. meh-
#Save7&8Users
It is a choice to use obsolete/no support software and hardware. That choice has consequences.
19 Day has passed already, and i saw a lot of people try to save 7&8.
Thanks all of the persons which support us!
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