Is anyone going to get a Steam Machine?

[Isaac]

I know I won't.

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

Crix eredeti hozzászólása:

nope, Towns is a great example of a early access game that was released as finished but still broken. The developer simply gave up for "personal" reasons. My point is EA games are a gamble and most of the time you will lose. They have no legal obligation to finish their game other than collect on a good idea or even a bad idea. The only thing I like about EA games is that if it gets the attention it will continue to always be "unfinished" if you know what I mean. Meaning the developer will always expand upon the game. Terraria, and Minecraft for example.

One example!

You made the claim that it was more than this, and I simply pointed out that as you're making such a grand claim it is false because of the time constraints involved - games AREN'T generally finished for a couple of years.

So, it IS too early to make such a claim.

And is it a gamble? Yes and no. Sure, you're essentially buying a promise (something that never appeals to me), but you DO have the weight of the law behind you. At least I can only specifically state the case for us in England (and Europe) - we have the Consumer Rights Act to fall back on as goods must be "satisfactory, as described, fit for purpose, and last a reasonable length of time" (known as the SADFART rule).

Steam has lacked quality control for a long time now, service outages and basic things just don't work and haven't worked reliably for years now, things like the trading system, trade offers and marketplace, all buggy slow, inaccessible a good % of the time. So when people sell steambox as "easy" and "convenient", valve isn't proven themselves as being able to deliver that kind of thing. The "consumer rights act" is toothless if steam can have the downtime it does right now and has for years.

[crunchyfrog]

MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ eredeti hozzászólása:

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

One example!

You made the claim that it was more than this, and I simply pointed out that as you're making such a grand claim it is false because of the time constraints involved - games AREN'T generally finished for a couple of years.

So, it IS too early to make such a claim.

And is it a gamble? Yes and no. Sure, you're essentially buying a promise (something that never appeals to me), but you DO have the weight of the law behind you. At least I can only specifically state the case for us in England (and Europe) - we have the Consumer Rights Act to fall back on as goods must be "satisfactory, as described, fit for purpose, and last a reasonable length of time" (known as the SADFART rule).

Steam has lacked quality control for a long time now, service outages and basic things just don't work and haven't worked reliably for years now, things like the trading system, trade offers and marketplace, all buggy slow, inaccessible a good % of the time. So when people sell steambox as "easy" and "convenient", valve isn't proven themselves as being able to deliver that kind of thing. The "consumer rights act" is toothless if steam can have the downtime it does right now and has for years.

No the Consumer Rights Act ISN'T toothless. Don't forget goods must be "satisfactory, as described, fit for purpose, and last a reasonable time". If the service is repeatedly down, you will have valid claim.

However, a lot of what you claim (such as trading cards etc) aren't covered as they're not purchases in most cases. If they are, then you'd have to show you have no access to it, and that doesn't include sporadic.

Plus, in regards your games, offline works fine. Of course with any online issues you'd have to prove the issue is not your end, and furthermore not Valve's. As the outages you're claiming are those of servers they rent, that could never be covered in any case for the simple reason Valve does not own them.

Basically what you're accusing the Consumer Rights Act of being toothless about could never be covered under any reasonable consumer laws in any case - I know of no exmaples in any country where this is the case. So, it's fairly unreasonable to suggest this.

[brabbit]

nope

[Cat]

nope
pc players will still make their custom more powerful pc for less price
also steam store is full of early access, alpha forever, crap 2d indies

[crunchyfrog]

Troll eredeti hozzászólása:

nope
pc players will still make their custom more powerful pc for less price
also steam store is full of early access, alpha forever, crap 2d indies

Steam Machines ARE PCs, and can be customizable, if you choose to build one that is.

You really do like making utterly inaccurate posts.

Early Access CANNOT be demonstrated as being in "alpha forever" as the system has only been going a few months and games normally take a couple of years to get to release.

"Crap 2D indies"? 2D aside, and the fact that they are demonstrably popular, if you object to indies being on here, then I take it you don't like Valve games?

[Jhoony]

:cwat:

[Sperber]

nope. The power of PCs are that they can run any kind of software. Why would I install an OS that would only allow me to play games? It does not make sense from a practical point of view. Maybe from an emotional one - granted.

[Ba[R]aD`]

no.

[Wilma DicFit]

no

[TentGodx]

nah.. :/

[exTen]

lol

[Grimminski]

Sperber eredeti hozzászólása:

nope. The power of PCs are that they can run any kind of software. Why would I install an OS that would only allow me to play games? It does not make sense from a practical point of view. Maybe from an emotional one - granted.

SteamOS is just Linux and as such, can do anything that Ubuntu or Mint or any other distro can.

[Jackson Lamb]

I can only see Steam Machines being enticing to existing Steam users in cases where a Steam box is better value than say, a budget or moderately specced rig.

In that situation I can see some existing Steam users buying in.

But, I don't think thats where these things are aimed. I feel Steam boxes are aimed at cutting in on the console market and are for console players who don't use and/or don't know what Steam is yet.

[Grimminski]

Oderus Urungus eredeti hozzászólása:

I can only see Steam Machines being enticing to existing Steam users in cases where a Steam box is better value than say, a budget or moderately specced rig.

The only reason I'd get one is for streaming games to my TV. I could probably get a netbook with an HDMI out and install SteamOS on it, instead of buying some overpriced 'steambox'.

[SCAMDEMIC]

Not at all, considering vaulve is doing nothing with people who cheat I am at the point of giving my account away.