Remove Derek Smart`s Line of Defense from Steam EA

[Karpatenhund]

This game is a fraud. The technical state of this game is not even an alpha. All users who say negative things about this game are banned. Today the german mag Gamestar uploads a video from that what DS calls a game. Its a shame for the EA programm at steam. I cant believe that Valve supports this swindle. Even there is a chance for refund, this game doenst belong to steam. I write this here cause i was banned from their forum, as i linked the video from Gamestar.

http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/line-of-defense/artikel/line_of_defense,48160,3234021.html

[Viper3dc]

next thing...

Derek says that the game will not be F2P after release....
http://steamcommunity.com/app/266620/discussions/0/535151589904350568/#c535151589907757550

If you want to play the game, you can come back when it's completed. And if it remains a F2P title - which it probably won't - you can get a free Starter Kit key.

Another dev didnt know that this is the case and tells the players that the game will be f2p after release.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/266620/discussions/0/535152276591039184/

thats so absurd... the devs dont know where the game is heading to...

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 Viper3dc：

next thing...

Derek says that the game will not be F2P after release....
http://steamcommunity.com/app/266620/discussions/0/535151589904350568/#c535151589907757550

If you want to play the game, you can come back when it's completed. And if it remains a F2P title - which it probably won't - you can get a free Starter Kit key.

Another dev didnt know that this is the case and tells the players that the game will be f2p after release.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/266620/discussions/0/535152276591039184/

thats so absurd... the devs dont know where the game is heading to...

Satoru is a moderator, not a developer. Moderators are regular users that volunteer to help maintain a forum. They are not kept up to date on a games progress or buisness decisions.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Viper3dc：

next thing...

Derek says that the game will not be F2P after release....
http://steamcommunity.com/app/266620/discussions/0/535151589904350568/#c535151589907757550

If you want to play the game, you can come back when it's completed. And if it remains a F2P title - which it probably won't - you can get a free Starter Kit key.

Another dev didnt know that this is the case and tells the players that the game will be f2p after release.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/266620/discussions/0/535152276591039184/

thats so absurd... the devs dont know where the game is heading to...

Never worked on a project team I take it. Derek is the lead. So basically he calls the decissions. and even he uses 'if' and 'probably' meaning the matter is still under review likely.. The other dev simply may not be up to speed on things.

Sign of poor communication internally to be sure but again.. kinda par for the course in these situations.. It's why dev teams and studios have an elected 'front-man' that does all teh talking while the rest stay quiet.

[DanTheKraut]

引用自 Satoru：

引用自 eram：

You should give a disclaimer. If you a moderator of any of this forums you should say so in your 1st post.

Fine but my point was


I"m a moderator ->therefore-> my points are invalid

Is not a valid argument.

What I didn't say. I said you are a moderator of that forum so you are "defending" this product which is of course understandable and not that your arguments are invalid because of that.

The point with the america only servers as example is valid because if people from Europe moan about bad pings than their argument is invalid if it is clearly visible that the servers are only in the US atm.

[Tux]

引用自 DanTheKraut：

引用自 Satoru：

Fine but my point was


I"m a moderator ->therefore-> my points are invalid

Is not a valid argument.

What I didn't say. I said you are a moderator of that forum so you are "defending" this product which is of course understandable and not that your arguments are invalid because of that.

The point with the america only servers as example is valid because if people from Europe moan about bad pings than their argument is invalid if it is clearly visible that the servers are only in the US atm.

wait...we want to remove a game from steam because of bad ping for EU?

[DanTheKraut]

引用自 Tux：

引用自 DanTheKraut：

What I didn't say. I said you are a moderator of that forum so you are "defending" this product which is of course understandable and not that your arguments are invalid because of that.

The point with the america only servers as example is valid because if people from Europe moan about bad pings than their argument is invalid if it is clearly visible that the servers are only in the US atm.

wait...we want to remove a game from steam because of bad ping for EU?

No it was only my answer to Satoru. As I could read there are many things why people want to get this game removed.

[Karpatenhund]

True, cause its not a game, not even alpha.Perhaos u can call it a broken prototype.

[Extinction]

So after about 2 weeks of studying this game(a friend of mine owns it), i am sad to say that this game looks totaly like scam. Reading the blog of DS makes me feel like he is a total egomaniac that is pissed about roberts career. Dereks says that his game is better than star citizen. Well i played it on my friends pc, its a high end machine and all i saw was graphic glitches, falling through the roof, not beeing able to get out of a vehicle and so on. The very first modules of star citizen work alot better than this game. I realy cannot say HOW in the world someone can say this game works better than alot of other Early acces games. The release should be this month and the last 3 months my friend has watched over the progress nothing has changed. I played this game myself and i wasted my time learning about derek smart just to find out that its complete BS and will NEVER i can clearly say never be a mmo. Maybe a walking simulator. If you want to compete with a game like planet side 2 you have to do better.

[LegendaryKira]

reading through this all... is making me really curious as to how bad it really is. from my understanding.. its the biggest pile of poop ever. we'll see:)

[HLCinSC]

Has it been put on hiatus? I looked at the game last week, after reading he was planning on suing Star Citizen's developer ( http://www.pcgamer.com/derek-smart-threatens-legal-action-against-cloud-imperium-games-over-star-citizen/ ). When I go to the game's main store page, there is no option to buy or play the game, though strangely the dlc is still for sale though it says it requires the aforementioned base game.

[LegendaryKira]

this is worse then towns turned out to be.
played it on my friends account and oh boy... there literally no game here. game mechanics and controls barely work them selfs. graphics i dont really care about (it looks ♥♥♥♥ for those who care about that). but damn. how can a dev harras and bash peoplle and doing insane bad things to get attention. sueing star citizen? thats never gonna happen. words mean nothing. just like the words of promise to get this game great.

[76561198001062896]

Derek Smart is just a manchild dramaking who thinks his word means anything as far as gaming goes

Hes a much bigger fool than Peter Molyneux

[Start_Running]

引用自 Zetikla：

Derek Smart is just a manchild dramaking who thinks his word means anything as far as gaming goes

Hes a much bigger fool than Peter Molyneux

Technically Pete's not a bad guy.. I mean he's never made an actually baqad game. Just he over hypes the so there's always disappointment.


This guy. Meh. I'll reserve judgement until I see his finished work. Many highly creative folks tend to have some off-kilter personality traits.. I mean Steve Jobs was not a big Fan of regular baths... or deoderant.)

[profile name]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Zetikla：

Derek Smart is just a manchild dramaking who thinks his word means anything as far as gaming goes

Hes a much bigger fool than Peter Molyneux

Technically Pete's not a bad guy.. I mean he's never made an actually baqad game. Just he over hypes the so there's always disappointment.


This guy. Meh. I'll reserve judgement until I see his finished work. Many highly creative folks tend to have some off-kilter personality traits.. I mean Steve Jobs was not a big Fan of regular baths... or deoderant.)

Derek Smart isnt a Steve Jobs. He certainly isnt a highly creative folk with a dislikeable personality. He's just a disleakable fool.

[On Vacation]

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised with how he runs his forums with the bans etc. He has always been a staunch defender of his own games and overtly aggressive to any perceived criticism. The irony in his 'quest' against Star Citizen is striking though, considering he fought Take Two tooth and nail because after 7 years of development they basically told him they would release it finished or not, which is why he signed the rights over to them.

Unfortunately for him, during that 7 years, he hyped the hell out of the game. How it used 'neural networks' to perform AI tasks and was going to be the greatest game released....but in the end it was released unfinished and buggy. The thing is, his scope for the game, just wasn't realistic. So then he started on Battlecruiser Millennium, which again, tried to do so many things, that in the end it ended up doing nothing well, and was and still is riddled with bugs and stability issue's.

Honestly, I think it's one of those things where one needs to realize, more isn't necessarily better. Focus on doing one aspect well and then consider going from there. Will this game do that? I really don't know, but his track record doesn't give me hope, nor does what I've seen of the game so far. That being said, there is no denying he does have talent (personality aside), if he would just narrow his scope some and have realistic expectations.