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Proton breaks that circle.
The more games Linux plays, the more gamers will use it. The more gamers use it, the more support Linux will get.
As a gamer, I couldn't really care less if my game is running natively under Linux or via Proton, as long as it plays well. Proton is the secret sauce that is finally growing Linux market share among gamers. Just recently, Linux users passed MacOS users on the Steam Hardware Survey. That wouldn't have been possible without Proton and the Steam Deck.
Only utter Linux purists who like to feel smug and superior with their choice of operating system are against what Valve is doing with Proton. The rest of us are happy that we finally have a viable alternative to Windows for PC gaming that's only getting better. Who knows. Maybe if Linux market share among gamers keeps growing, we'll reach a tipping point where it makes more sense to support Linux directly than it does Windows. For now, I'm content with Proton.
I wonder.... how many people who use a steam Deck know that it runs with a Linux framework?
And how many really care about what it runs as long the games work which they want to play...
And how much does it matter whether someone has knowledge of their system or not? Hell, I've seen Windows users who aren't even aware they're using Windows. They'll give you a blank stare when you ask them which operating system they're using.
Someone who is using Linux counts towards that statistic whether or not they are aware they're using Linux.
Second, back with 95, MS didn't have their finger on the update button of every single unmodded windows machine. There was a less knee-bending back then, but now they are so insistent that you use their new web browser, that you link your MS account, that you try 'this and that' out. So insistent that they invited themselves to install the 'this's and thats' onto one's machine, and throw in that missing edge shortcut to one's desktop and task bar.
It is a test of patience that has been only worsening from 8 to 11. I find it is natural to prefer the path of least resistance, or in this case, going for the OS that offers itself less painful to use.
Third:
Riiight...
The latter is what consoles generally do., the first and second is how its been done in PC for a long time. Make it so that the prexisting stuff can run and you instantly improve your library. Of course that does nothing about the other hurdles but it at least removes one, which is what Valve has done.
Yeah. That didn't start till Windows 98.
And fior many people. That's still Windows..
As said Valve gott rind of One major hurdle, but there's plenty others.
So to what Zi said initially. Valve has done more than anyone else to promote and make Linux a viable alternative to gamers than literally any other company. So how does that translate to them helping microsoft maaintain the dominance of WIndows?
Proton is a turd look-alike / interface.
Linux is code bloated, but not nearly as bad as Microsoft.
Huge amount of code runs millions of times slower than it should.
Sometimes slower.
Open source has huge POTENTIAL to evolve into something
VERY fast and efficient. Maybe even with kernel-interfaces
to IP to sync multiplayer, run high quality games on older
hardware (forever) and even potentially push the bleeding
edge of what can be done.
But with Microsoft Turd competing with Linux Turd Compatibility,
that doesn't happen.
Chances are any really potential for some awesome improvement
lies with the community, not the cash developers.
But with no Platform reversing the code bloat,
nothing will improve the way it could.
Linux got ahead of Unix not through efficiency, but rather a
lawsuit that slowed Unix while Linux got initial marketplace.
I recently tried building some modern app's... it was
UNBELIEVABLE. Even package loads three more as
dependancies. And so on. And so on. Eventually,
so many things have need loaded, they only need
1 or 2 new things not linked. But's it's INSANE.
And the potential of these machine, absent code-bloat
could be pretty amazing.
menu, or a setup option that doesn't immediately reconfigure
your video, you should never see ANY delay, nothing
perceptible WHATSOEVER, unless it's an animation
or code that is in fact running one-million times slower
than it should or slower!
Even the desktop stinks.
BTW... I run 12 desktops under Unix, and ran 5 under
Windows 95. Can you even make them on Windows
7+?
But that's circa 1995. And there was an MIT
lecture about essentially a "desktop" interface
the modern one using PHYSICAL FILM from the
1960's.
I'm sure there's a better interface. And better one.
And a better one.
But with zero competition, it goes nowhere.
In order of appearance; some feedback on this because there is intelligence present. Refreshing and welcomed. Thanks in adv.
I. Agree and that's all there is too it. Also, I have done EXTENSIVE research into the current "popular" build of Win10. After this research along with knowledge of the definition, Win10 OS are spyware at least--without the literal label.
II. No comment
III. Yes; only because the "bloat" is required for "modern apps" to function online. An indicator of how the computing "world" is being controlled. And with that control, the perpetuation of stagnant, convoluted thought remains. Will leave this right here for now...
IV. All code should[/] be Open Source because the basis of programming language; like terms in a dictionary, are public knowledge--INTENTIONALLY. Greed has become the motivator for what MANY current developers code for at all. Meanwhile, existence itself suffers as well as the quality of our Species ( Humans ).
V. There is no competition the latter>the former. Only difference is one is easily mainstreamed for the purpose of control, while the other gains a stigma of being inadequately designed. A stigma that, quite frankly, is nonsense. This fact also shows how easy it is to create such a stigma within our current social structures.
VI. AB-SO-LUTE-LY. Which community and which ideology? The purpose of the coding to begin with...? This, to me is one of the more important factors regarding the state of our World.
Remember, everyone that studies, makes, edits "code" are "developers" just at different levels and with separated purpose--at this point in time.
VII. See III & IV...
VIII. How do we decide which code is bloat; what the bloat is doing; where that bloat originates?
Everything should be instantaneous outside of rendering -- or should that be an exception either? A memory of when I first started overclocking surfaced after reading this portion of your posts. My whole reason for getting into OC'g was based on the idea of needing[/] every user command to yield the desired response immediately.
And as we've move into these "super" computers and multi-core chips, high density RAM modules and drives that literally access data GB/s, why are there MORE delays and MORE wait times? See VI and remember Post #1 of this thread--its title: MARKET......
I am more curious to know the number of people just owning a steamdeck rather that a pc + steamdeck but i guess the number should be ridiculous low...
So do not expect more nativ games on linux unless linux begin to be a real contender in os running for main home computer.