Steam not following DMCA, allows stolen work to be sold

[WolfEisberg]

https://insider-gaming.com/scammers-steal-superman-demo/

A week is far to long to sit on the notice and not act upon it, which is what Valve is doing, mean while allowing the sale of the stolen work, that is available for free on itch, to continue.

Update:
After multiple publications have made people aware of Valve's blunder, Valve has done the right thing and removed the game. Sad that it took public awareness to get Valve to do the right thing.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

Цитата допису KittenGrindr:

Considering there is literally no time frame(unless you want to argue with a legal website) they could've taken over a month and been just fine.

You act like they got the claim and just set it on the desk for a week. You have no idea what their inner workings are or even if the claim was submitted with the proper information(which is another requirement before Valve is even required to act upon it) when it was filled out.

I find this whole thing highly ironic coming from you considering you were arguing up and down that the CEO of Epic Games was lying about their own finances when he was on record saying EGS has never made a profit.

So now you are pretending that 1 month fits with in "expeditiously".

You act like they got the claim and just set it on the desk for a week. You have no idea what their inner workings are or even if the claim was submitted with the proper information(which is another requirement before Valve is even required to act upon it) when it was filled out.

read my comment right above.

Doesn't matter what I think. Doesn't matter what you think.

Valve has done nothing illegal in how they have handled this situation outside of your "Well, I've never seen it take more than 24 hours so they must have ignored it."

Some DMCAs have been reported to take up to 6 months to be responded to. Guess what? The company was still not liable at all.

So, to recap, your worldview =/= how it actually works.

[Mad Scientist]

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

It would go directly to legal, and DMCA is a huge deal, not something to be taken lightly.

It's not as much of a big deal as many make it out to be. It's only bad for a party that violated something intentionally. Loads of DMCAs are bad claims, and good companies don't just want to automate something that could affect their customers and their customers consumers/end users.

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

Have never ever seen, except with Steam, anyone take more than 24 hours to act up on them.

Then you really haven't been a part of a larger company.
The larger you are, the more time it takes. YT uses automation with almost zero oversight, it's basically anyone report = action happens and then anyone hit with it has to counter claim.

Valve doesn't appear to do that, and another ignored example I told you of took about a week / week and a half, of personal experience. So, yes, things can take time especially when in a queue and needing investigation. More companies with more legal stuff = time has to be taken to read it, look over any present material/evidence, ask for response(s), determine the course of action aka judgement.

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

So yes, given Valve's history of not caring about laws as evidence of them breaking multiple laws and being found in court guilty of that

Not seeing what you want really doesn't make such a statement true. Besides, every other country comes up with rather horrible laws, so they're going to react properly for their business as well which isn't always giving those places or entities what they want but rather denying them anything. Again, you really need to let go with the anti-valve stuff, it's really clouding your judgement.

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

or not caring about serious issues like how they didn't care about a security vulnerability until it was known by the public

They literally have a program to reward people for showing security holes. Clearly, they care.

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

it is reasonable to feel that Valve most likely did sit on this doing absolutely nothing, not caring about it at all, it fits with their history of not caring.

No, that is unreasonable to suspect.

Let it go. You can hate valve all you want, but it really is clouding most of the judgement resulting in arguing rather than having a discussion with other users.

[fluxtorrent]

as pointed out repeatedly, what the OP doesn't understand about the DMCA could filll... .the DMCA

After receiving a counter notice, the service provider is obligated to forward that counter notice to the person who sent the original takedown notice. Once the service provider has received a valid DMCA counter notice they must wait 10-14 days

Its not a "you file a request and the site HAS to take it down", there is a back and forth


But when a troll who WANTS the "STEAM IS BAD" narrative so badly they can taste it see's an opportunity, they'll pretend reality doesn't exist

[Samurai]

Saw this thread, scrolled down reading the first page.

Then see there's 8 pages to this.

(insert ain't nobody got time for that meme)

[Mad Scientist]

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

Valve did nothing for a week, and after pressure from the media they finally did the right thing. Now if the scammer wants to counter it they can do that.

Media pressure had zero to do with it. You seem to have a preconceived notion that they have any importance in legal matters, which is strictly legal-to-legal communications. One side initiates a claim, it goes into and remains into a closed loop ie the legal team, that does as they need to do the moment they get to it in queue, often this yet again takes time. Things will not be done instantly or within 24Hrs if you're big enough and have a queue.

You never interfere with a legal team, as any other team. Media has no influence upon an active matter which has one type of filing, one type of response, and one type of back-and-forth communication. They don't care what twitter users or random meaningless media sites have to say about a subject, they're doing their job within a closed loop.

[cinedine]

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

It would go directly to legal, and DMCA is a huge deal, not something to be taken lightly. Have never ever seen, except with Steam, anyone take more than 24 hours to act up on them.

Don't even know why people argue, but given the "who" is arguing, I can't say I am terribly surprised.

The above one is the puzzling one. Most companies have automated processes for this, because right as you said: it's better to take that stuff down than to not act and be hold liable - or even lose your Save Harbour status.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

Цитата допису fluxtorrent:

as pointed out repeatedly, what the OP doesn't understand about the DMCA could filll... .the DMCA



Its not a "you file a request and the site HAS to take it down", there is a back and forth


But when a troll who WANTS the "STEAM IS BAD" narrative so badly they can taste it see's an opportunity, they'll pretend reality doesn't exist

How about showing the entire paragraph?

After receiving a counter notice, the service provider is obligated to forward that counter notice to the person who sent the original takedown notice. Once the service provider has received a valid DMCA counter notice they must wait 10-14 days. If the copyright owner sues the alleged infringer in that time frame the material will remain down, but if no suit is filed then the service provider must re-activate or allow access to the alleged infringing activity.

The last sentence is important, notice how it says "remain down" yeah, the counter notice is to start the process to get the content back up.

This is the process:

1- Copyright holder creates DMCA take down notice
2- Service provider takes down the content and issues the notice to the copyright infrindger
3- Copyright infringer can create a counter
4- Service provider sends counter to copyright holder
5- Service provider waits around 14 days for copyright holder to file lawsuit, if they do not then the content goes back up. If they do, then the content remains removed pending lawsuit completion.

The back and forth happens after the take down.

Valve did nothing for a week, and after pressure from the media they finally did the right thing. Now if the scammer wants to counter it they can do that.

Again, you don't know their internal workings or what the DMCA notice even said. If it didn't have the required information(it's listed what's required on the site I linked) then Valve doesn't even have to respond to it, they can just ignore it.

This whole thread is just a weird rant about how horrible Valve is based purely on assumptions and misinformation on how filing DMCA notices work.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису cinedine:

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

It would go directly to legal, and DMCA is a huge deal, not something to be taken lightly. Have never ever seen, except with Steam, anyone take more than 24 hours to act up on them.

Don't even know why people argue, but given the "who" is arguing, I can't say I am terribly surprised.

The above one is the puzzling one. Most companies have automated processes for this, because right as you said: it's better to take that stuff down than to not act and be hold liable - or even lose your Save Harbour status.

Considering companies have gone upwards of 6 months without taking down content and still kept their Safe Harbor status, there isn't a huge reason to hurry.

Even companies like Microsoft have taken a month to respond. Yet they still have their status.

Oh, and the automated process does more harm than good. Considering it took years for Ubisoft to go after the person issuing fake DMCA takedowns and robbing people of potential income. Which he was able to do because the process is automatic.

[Mad Scientist]

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

yeah, lets pretend that it is just a coincidence that something that can be done very quickly and something that is very serious as a DMCA take down notice, to happen after lots of media put a spot light on it. Don't buy it, especially since Valve has a history of not doing jack until media puts a spot light on it.

Media is unimportant in legal matters and has no weight in such matters. Again, things take time. You're giving too much importance to something that has nothing to do with a legal claim.

Цитата допису cinedine:

Don't even know why people argue, but given the "who" is arguing, I can't say I am terribly surprised.

Irrelevant.

Цитата допису cinedine:

The above one is the puzzling one. Most companies have automated processes for this, because right as you said: it's better to take that stuff down than to not act and be hold liable - or even lose your Save Harbour status.

I wouldn't say most. Submissions are "automated" as they're instant. Anything else after, people are too used to YouTube being automated and seem to believe because of that most things are automated. Most legal teams want to get it right the first time, hence why the content wasn't automatically removed upon submission.

They were in zero danger of losing any status as they clearly queue and clear with the needed action(s).

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Цитата допису Mad Scientist:

Цитата допису Ice Mountain:

yeah, lets pretend that it is just a coincidence that something that can be done very quickly and something that is very serious as a DMCA take down notice, to happen after lots of media put a spot light on it. Don't buy it, especially since Valve has a history of not doing jack until media puts a spot light on it.

Media is unimportant in legal matters and has no weight in such matters. Again, things take time. You're giving too much importance to something that has nothing to do with a legal claim.

Цитата допису cinedine:

Don't even know why people argue, but given the "who" is arguing, I can't say I am terribly surprised.

Irrelevant.

Цитата допису cinedine:

The above one is the puzzling one. Most companies have automated processes for this, because right as you said: it's better to take that stuff down than to not act and be hold liable - or even lose your Save Harbour status.

I wouldn't say most. Submissions are "automated" as they're instant. Anything else after, people are too used to YouTube being automated and seem to believe because of that most things are automated. Most legal teams want to get it right the first time, hence why the content wasn't automatically removed upon submission.

They were in zero danger of losing any status as they clearly queue and clear with the needed action(s).

Shhh you're going to wound OPs feelings of self importance

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

I mean...game's been removed. And OP learned what copyright actually is. Why is this still going?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Leonardo Da Pinchi:

I mean...game's been removed. And OP learned what copyright actually is. Why is this still going?

Because a basic understanding of what a company is required to do with a DMCA notice is still not understood.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Цитата допису KittenGrindr:

Цитата допису Leonardo Da Pinchi:

I mean...game's been removed. And OP learned what copyright actually is. Why is this still going?

Because a basic understanding of what a company is required to do with a DMCA notice is still not understood.

Given the mod creator didn't register the product as trademark, all he can really do LEGALLY is, well, ask steam to remove it.

This is why you don't put out anything you don't watermark art-wise, or register as trademark, if you intend to have it taken down.

However, Steam did do the right thing and remove it, the "dev" team who uploaded it to Steam is some trashy little mobile game company that was HEAVILY censoring their forums too. Lol

[davidb11]

A few things...
Homelander is based on Superman mixed with Captain America.
THis is literally the entire point of the character.
Someone based on both of them, corrupted and turned bat-crazy. :P

Also, he lands exactly like Superman does.

WB doesn't care, nor does Disney or Marvel back before Disney bought them, because Garth Ennis literally spelled it out that he made it based on those two.
JUst like how Starlight was based on Supergirl and another person.

WB also isn't in the habit of shutting down free things based on Superman. You can easily tell this by googling Superman with the words Rule 34. :P

I Don't recommend doing that though...and especially don't combine with the word Yaoi. :P

Valve works in Valve time.
Which means that they can take forever to do anything.
Even when it comes to DMCA requests.

They're notoriously slow. The only way to make them do anything fast is to have your lawyers yell at their lawyers. :P

That being said, I am glad this was removed from Steam. It's not cool to steal someone's hard work and then sell it for money.

Even WB would be on the side of the Superman Demo guy.
If only because they aren't as mean as people claim.

[WhatZit]

OFF TOPIC (sorta):

You know, the free UE5 demo on itch was quite fun.

Makes me wish there was an actual Flying Superman game that uses all the Flight Simulator data, so you can literally zoom around the world! Maybe even make time go backwards...

Why didn't those thieving worthless scumbags try making THAT game? Oh right, they're thieving worthless scumbags, that why.