Dozer 2021 年 2 月 11 日 下午 6:58
FAMILY SHARING IS A SCAM
The entire point of a FAMILY sharing any game would be to play them together at the same time. The name needs to be changed as its misleading. This is not for family sharing. And since only one person can even access a library at a time there is no actual sharing involved. People wonder why its a big deal and the big deal is that we paid for a game. We now own the game. We deserve to use that game as we see fit, just the same as any car, house, or parcel of land. Xbox and Playstation provide an actual Family share concept where multiple profiles can play the same game at the same time on numerous consoles with only one game purchase. I've been a fan of Valve for 25 years and this is ruining that experience now that I have a family. Maybe if we can gather enough up-votes/support/re-posts Valve will actually fix their greed driven ways. Thanks for reading my rant and complaint.
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Tito Shivan 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 2:04 
引用自 Dozer
The entire point of a FAMILY sharing any game would be to play them together at the same time.
The point of Steam Family Sharing is to let someone play the games in your library without having to share your account (and all the sensitive information within) with that person.

That way your relative can play your games with his own friendlist, not having access to your stored payment methods, Steam Inventories, Achievements and so on.

And you share your library, not individual games. That's one difference to keep in mind.

I have to conced the point that by naming it 'Family Sharing' they kind of set up people for having the wrong expectations on how the service works.

引用自 Dozer
Xbox and Playstation provide an actual Family share concept where multiple profiles can play the same game at the same time on numerous consoles with only one game purchase.
Xbox and Playstation are closed enviroments where you don't control what runs on your console. Microsoft and Sony do. That makes tampering with the software way harder and way easier to impose blocks about what happens and what can be done with that console.
In the PC enviroment the user is the ultimate owner of the software and OS that runs the games and the service. That makes way, way harder to try curb abuse.

It's the same reason why you usually see less cheating in console games than you do in PC ones.

引用自 Dozer
Maybe if we can gather enough up-votes/support/re-posts Valve will actually fix their greed driven ways.
Ultimately it's the developers the ones who make the call. Even if Valve would loosen the restrictions the developers could simply opt-out of the feature (There's games already which can't be family shared with the actual restrictions)

The actual restrictions allow for a wide array of games to be shared, the looser the restrictions, the lesser the available games. It's developers at the end of the day the ones who dislike having two people playing with the same copy of the game (hence losing a sale)
J4MESOX4D 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 2:09 
引用自 Dozer
The entire point of a FAMILY sharing any game would be to play them together at the same time
That's not what the intent behind the feature is. You can share some licences through libraries that are not in use. You cannot share and distribute licences between accounts to be used at the same time - developers would not allow this at the cost of sales and abuse.

Just because you see some words, doesn't mean you can make your own assumptions or judgement on what they mean or should entail especially when the feature is fully described and justified. Branding it a scam is just an immature entitled stance to take and a further devaluation of the word.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 2:26 
引用自 Dozer
The entire point of a FAMILY sharing any game would be to play them together at the same time.
The family share idea was made in mind of sharing a library using your games between accounts on a system, or if have more than one system, while you're busy, or not playing can share your games to your family to play them so they don't need to bug you for your account login to let them play the game from your account, instead they can just login to their account, and play because it was shared.

I assume you're confusing yourself what done on console. It's no shock that Steam doesn't want to run into same problems Sony had with their family share problem, if you actually know of it, Sony made large legal change to their policy, and limit family sharing on the PS3.

There is a work around called, you go offline mode, and your family member play it online all they want, or family member start up the game, cut off the internet access and play the game.

引用自 Dozer
The name needs to be changed as its misleading. This is not for family sharing. And since only one person can even access a library at a time there is no actual sharing involved.
No the name applied correctly, as you're sharing between family, hence family... What when did word family stop existing in the dictionary? Exactly don't be silly.

You don't like it because you don't get your way, oh well.

引用自 Dozer
People wonder why its a big deal and the big deal is that we paid for a game. We now own the game. We deserve to use that game as we see fit, just the same as any car, house, or parcel of land.
Want to sit down for thks, let go back to 2003 bud for Steam, yes that far back, in the terms and agreement, even if you claim you you hate reading, were blind, or just can't understand language, does not excuse your own actions when you agree to them, to agree you make the account, hence sign up, guess how you posted on the forum, you sign up...

In the terms, you don't own the games, you are given license, to which gives you access content rights, not ownership.

Now I got more bad news for you, on console they been doing it far back since the digital downloads store, yup you read that right, they been doing it too, you don't own your copy, you only own a license.

Even more bad news, you know those pieces plastics that contain your games, like Xbox disk, game cube, or whatever, if you realize it now, they also have a license which is tied to the piece of plastic which only allow you to have permission right to access said media on the storage media, meaning you don't actually own the game. Go fig right. Now you learn the nasty truth in this world that been around for decades.

引用自 Dozer
Xbox and Playstation provide an actual Family share concept where multiple profiles can play the same game at the same time on numerous consoles with only one game purchase.
Then get a console. They're not obligated to do what consoles do.

引用自 Dozer
I've been a fan of Valve for 25 years and this is ruining that experience now that I have a family. Maybe if we can gather enough up-votes/support/re-posts Valve will actually fix their greed driven ways. Thanks for reading my rant and complaint.
Where you been sleeping since 2013? You would've known what family share on Steam was about if you actually looked it up when it was being featured, and news was push out about it.
https://store.steampowered.com/oldnews/11436
crunchyfrog 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 2:42 
This is a new approach I've not seen before - strawmanning an agreement.

Just because you didn't understand or read what family sharing meant DOES NOT make it wrong. The fault is entirely yours, OP. You THOUGHT it meant something it wasn't.

And it isn't going to change because publilshers ain't going to loosen this up because of one simple thing - LOST SALES. If there's so much as a hint of that, the door will always remain closed very firmly.

I strongly suggest you go and Google WHY and how publishing works and the pros and cons of sharing digital files.

You also seems to be misguided in that you think it's all Valve's control. IP does NOT work like that. Valve can ONLY state terms for IPs THEY own. The publishers state them for games they own, and they are the majority here.
最後修改者:crunchyfrog; 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 3:10
Crazy Tiger 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 2:59 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 Dozer
Xbox and Playstation provide an actual Family share concept where multiple profiles can play the same game at the same time on numerous consoles with only one game purchase.
Xbox and Playstation are closed enviroments where you don't control what runs on your console. Microsoft and Sony do. That makes tampering with the software way harder and way easier to impose blocks about what happens and what can be done with that console.
In the PC enviroment the user is the ultimate owner of the software and OS that runs the games and the service. That makes way, way harder to try curb abuse.
I've seen people advertise xbox family/game sharing groups on social media and forums. The abuse is there, but obviously people will call that "consumer friendly".
Mythical Ostrich 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 Fiddle
Or they can stick with what works instead of caving to a bunch of entitled people that want nothing more than ways to play things without purchasing them when they library share with their friend from 7 countries over.

Or they can be more consumer friendly.
Tito Shivan 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 9:43 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
I've seen people advertise xbox family/game sharing groups on social media and forums. The abuse is there, but obviously people will call that "consumer friendly".
There's always going to be abuse in every platform. However either the technical complexity (installing cheats on console vs installing them in PC) or the ratio risk/reward (If you're banned in PC you lose an account. Being banned in console can get your and your associated hardware banned too) make the ammount of abuse limited.
Mad Scientist 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 9:43 
引用自 Mythical Ostrich
引用自 Fiddle
Or they can stick with what works instead of caving to a bunch of entitled people that want nothing more than ways to play things without purchasing them when they library share with their friend from 7 countries over.

Or they can be more consumer friendly.
What you want under the guise of "more consumer friendly" doesn't magically make it so.

There's reasons why it's not different from what it is now.
Drab 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 9:44 
Family sharing is a free service. /thread
Mythical Ostrich 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 9:49 
引用自 Mr. Gentlebot
What you want under the guise of "more consumer friendly" doesn't magically make it so.

There's reasons why it's not different from what it is now.

Doesn't matter. Xbox does it really well, it's one of the few thing they have that's awesome. Just wish we weren't so far behind.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 9:51 
This is another reason why it is so restricted on Steam...

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/4956744526885838950/

Many more in the FS forum.

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Mad Scientist 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 10:04 
引用自 Mythical Ostrich
引用自 Mr. Gentlebot
What you want under the guise of "more consumer friendly" doesn't magically make it so.

There's reasons why it's not different from what it is now.

Doesn't matter. Xbox does it really well, it's one of the few thing they have that's awesome. Just wish we weren't so far behind.
It entirely matters.

And what other sites and services do, doesn't mean all others should. That and those users are likely under a subscription, thus easier to control if abused.
Brian9824 2021 年 2 月 12 日 上午 10:26 
I'm sure Valve would be willing to change it if anyone could provide an option where it couldn't be abused to let friends share their entire steam libraries. I mean get 10 people togethor and instead of buying 10 copies of a game they buy 1 single copy and just all share it.

I mean the current family sharing is already being widely abused with people selling access on ebay like this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cyberpunk-2077-PC-Steam-Offline-Account-Instant-Delivery/383903587188?hash=item59626fdb74:g:2okAAOSwRFlf-127
Dozer 2021 年 3 月 31 日 下午 12:22 
Thx for the replies everyone. Love being able to post a comment and get as many different opinions as possible. I understand how it works and was pointing out flaws from my perspective. In my use case, the wife and I are trying to play the same game together on pc and since you cant play coop in most pc games on the same system you are limited to buying two copies or thinking family sharing will do the trick until you do more research into the subject. As one commentor mentioned it does come down to the developer choosing how their licenses are used and what valve provides is above and beyond. When i originally posted my rant i was quite upset. Now not so much as i figured out what I needed to. Thanks again everyone!
最後修改者:Dozer; 2021 年 3 月 31 日 下午 12:23
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2021 年 3 月 31 日 下午 12:56 
You can use Remote Play Together for coop games.

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