New Achievements several years later.

[ajwrighter]

I am not ok with this. I play the game, I get a few hundred hours in and I complete most if not all achievements. I'm happy and content with the story, the achievements and I'm on to the next game.

several years later...

New achievements are available. No... JUST NO!!! There are so many games out there for me to experience that I don't want to come back to your game. The only reason I come back to a game is for the mesmerizing /nostalgic story and very rarely the game play that the original game had. I don't care care about your 200 extra fish I need to now fish out. That's not fun!!! insert Viva clip. And I do not care about your new hard mode. so #### all!!!

In addition to this rant, I'd like to make a notable mention to awful achievement systems. What I mean is, if I play a game for 300 hours and only complete like 12 or 21% achievements. There is something seriously wrong in your achievement system. No game should ever have more than 100 achievements. Let alone 200 or 300 achievements. I'm looking at you Sid Meier! Honestly, I don't work for your company. I'm certainly not getting anything out of it and you sure as rain aren't paying me. so #### all!

To me the golden number of achievements is 45. Anymore and your just randomly making up work. Oh look click on sheep for 52 times and watch it explode 11 times for unlocked achievement SheepleCraft.

[NS Plover]

引用自 ajwrighter：

That is people that are ill or cheated. I mean how many of that 1 or 2% cheated to get that achievement.

I have a few of those and I did not cheat and I'm not ill. Some games are designed to be replayed - and if you only play once you don't get anywhere near all the achievements and a lot of people never play enough to get them all or are interested in doing so. I think replayable games are great value as long as the replay introduces something that isn't repetitive.

If I find a game that is replayable (without being boring) - a good example is https://store.steampowered.com/app/381780/80_Days/ - then I enjoy playing it to get all the achievements - knowing I'm seeing something different each playthrough. Some people stop at one - this does not make either of us ill and does not imply that I cheated.

Some people look at when achievements are awarded and point out the time as "meaning you cheated" - this can be incorrect - 80 days is a prime example - if you manage to complete it in under 50 days on your first play - you WILL get multiple achievements at the same time when you exit - has nothing to do with cheating.

I also don't have problems with developers adding free upgrades to their base game that includes new achievements. I do not like being forced to buy DLCs to 100% a game I own.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

They can already separate them if they wish to.

Read wuddih's replies here for more...

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3185654583878312438/#c3185654583885721179

Most recent suggestion thread...

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/2271447149944937026/

[Black Blade]

引用自 ajwrighter：

In closing I think the achievement system for expansions should be separate from the main game. Adding more achievements after the game is complete should not be allowed to the base game. A new achievement layer should instead be included for add on content. This way you still keep your old 100% completion title and still have the opportunity to gain additional completion titles under the add on content.

Would you run a 5k race, receive your medal and then get a phone call asking you to return your medal because you have to run another 5k to complete the race?

Yea me neither. You signed up for the 5k, not a 10k where you do 5k now and then 5k later.

That example is false in this case, you keep your medal for the 5K run, but you lose the "5K medel in all racing competitions" as new ones where added, that does not make the achievements you made so far worthless or return to the owner

Your % that many users don't seem to do them don't mean all that much, remember the moment someone got a single achievement there in that list, even if they never try for it, so lets say any achievement, so even if someone lets say start the game got the first achievement then quit and refund or just never play it again, will take that % down
So that number really don't mean all that much, and again most users really don't care for achievements and that is what the % should really show you

[TheDarkCrucible]

I understand that rant however coming from PS4 and expanding into steam do you know what I would do for my games to randomly get more trophies added! Doesn't happen often on our end.

I am a completely achivement/trophy ♥♥♥♥♥ however if it is a game you do not want to revisit them don't.

I had to come to this acceptance with Fall Guys (win 5 episodes in a row? Let's be real)

Personal I see added achivements to older games a good thing, although its same old content maybe it will make you face it in a different way.

But honestly, What I would give to be complaining of this on PS4 😂

[JPMcMillen]

OP, you seem to not realize that for some devs adding achievements to DLC and expansions does serve a real purpose. Since they can track global completion rates, they can use this to see who is playing the new content and what they are accomplishing in that content. If a lot of people start it but never finish, it can let them know that there may be something that isn't working as they originally intended and maybe adjustments need to be made.

[MoonC A T]

I would understand if you had like a 80-100% completion rate, but 40%? Damn.

[Gus the Crocodile]

‘Completionist’ isn’t some kind of protected species that’s being hurt here, it’s just a preference. Having complete collections is just a thing you happen to like, in the same way that I like puzzles and someone else likes skateboarding. Our preferences don’t mean that Steam should act to maximise the amount of puzzles or skateboarding. We’re welcome to choose what we play, to criticise developers who do things we don’t like and praise those who do, and to share recommendations with like-minded people about the kinds of games that we might most enjoy.

Also, while enjoying having all of something is fine, being annoyed if you don’t have all of something seems...less healthy. I think gamer culture has a lot to answer for in training the completionist impulse into people in the first place (culture manufactured by commercial interests trains people to want to own everything, what a surprise!) and if anything we should be discouraging it.

[Satoru]

引用自 ajwrighter：

And that's the problems. They shouldn't be allowed to add more achievements. The only exception should be content that you have to pay for like an expansion. But make that a separate system. The Base game should be separate from expansions.

Imagine the concept of "here is a ton of free content and new achievemnts for it" and going "that shouldnt be allowed"

God are gamers annoying

[Zekiran]

He did say 'but no new content' which I find amusing because I'm not aware of all that many big games that have done so and NOT had some form of new content.

Even that said, though: new achievements for wild stuff in games I've played? Heck yes. I might never achieve them.

That doesn't mean I won't try and get that .1% achievement, it only means I don't have it yet.

[mimizukari]

引用自 Satoru：

引用自 ajwrighter：

And that's the problems. They shouldn't be allowed to add more achievements. The only exception should be content that you have to pay for like an expansion. But make that a separate system. The Base game should be separate from expansions.

Imagine the concept of "here is a ton of free content and new achievemnts for it" and going "that shouldnt be allowed"

God are gamers annoying

ajwrighter lives in the time of 1980s when games came out on a cartridge and never got updated. he needs to get with the times where we're fortunate enough to have games that continue to receive updates , and with new updates come new achievements.

[nullable]

It's true, some people really can complain about anything.

I guess if your OCD is such that if new things are added to a game and your happiness is dependent upon having 100% of that game beaten until the heat death of the universe then content being added would seem like a huge burden. But you're in a ridiculous minority and don't need to be entertained.

And it could be achievements aren't always a meticulously planned and balanced thing. So there might not be a lot of care from developers for how convenient the achievements are to get, what the optimal number of achievements is, and how much "heartache" they're introducing by adding content (including achievements) years later.

If new stuff being added to a game you're not even playing anymore years later gets you riled up, you might have some problems understanding your position within the universe.

[Satoru]

引用自 Kurumi Tokisaki：

引用自 Satoru：

Imagine the concept of "here is a ton of free content and new achievemnts for it" and going "that shouldnt be allowed"

God are gamers annoying

ajwrighter lives in the time of 1980s when games came out on a cartridge and never got updated. he needs to get with the times where we're fortunate enough to have games that continue to receive updates , and with new updates come new achievements.

If my old Game and Watch could magically get another 2 games on it, for free, by magically waving it the air, I would not be going "well screw Nintendo for giving me free stuff"

https://steamcommunity.com/games/217200/announcements/detail/4889171591903920897

I mean Worms Armageddon just got a patch nearly 2 decades later that added a metric ton of new features, QOL improvements, etc. And then somehow thinking "this should never be allowed"

[mimizukari]

引用自 Satoru：

引用自 Kurumi Tokisaki：

ajwrighter lives in the time of 1980s when games came out on a cartridge and never got updated. he needs to get with the times where we're fortunate enough to have games that continue to receive updates , and with new updates come new achievements.

If my old Game and Watch could magically get another 2 games on it, for free, by magically waving it the air, I would not be going "well screw Nintendo for giving me free stuff"

https://steamcommunity.com/games/217200/announcements/detail/4889171591903920897

I mean Worms Armageddon just got a patch nearly 2 decades later that added a metric ton of new features, QOL improvements, etc. And then somehow thinking "this should never be allowed"

Duuude, I've been waiting for that patch, it finally happened? I need to check it out.

[Satoru]

2 Perfect Games

For someone whinging about achievements being added, you don't seem to actually care about getting them. You seem to be crying about something your profile actively says you literally don't care about. at all.

You currently literally do not care about achievments. Ergo why do you care if some are added after the fact. Because you're obviously not an achievemnt hunter.

This thread litereally just sounds like you making up something to whine about, for the sake of whining, not to actually 'solve' a particular problem that you are not even encountering at all.

[Start_Running]

引用自 ajwrighter：

I am not ok with this. I play the game, I get a few hundred hours in and I complete most if not all achievements. I'm happy and content with the story, the achievements and I'm on to the next game.

several years later...

New achievements are available. No... JUST NO!!! There are so many games out there for me to experience that I don't want to come back to your game. The only reason I come back to a game is for the mesmerizing /nostalgic story and very rarely the game play that the original game had. I don't care care about your 200 extra fish I need to now fish out. That's not fun!!! insert Viva clip. And I do not care about your new hard mode. so #### all!!!

Translation:
Developers need to stop adding content to their games after YOU are done playing it.

In addition to this rant, I'd like to make a notable mention to awful achievement systems. What I mean is, if I play a game for 300 hours and only complete like 12 or 21% achievements.

So you dislike Achievements that aren't simple participation trophies. CUte.

To me the golden number of achievements is 45. Anymore and your just randomly making up work. Oh look click on sheep for 52 times and watch it explode 11 times for unlocked achievement SheepleCraft.

45? Because lazy.