Tic-toc26 18 set. 2024 às 0:36
The 'Anti-Linux' Anti-Cheat is getting out of hand, Valve plz help
Grand Theft Auto V previously a top 10 played game on Steam Deck before a (decade overdue) anti-cheat update now no longer works on Linux, because the the anti-cheat deems Linux as Cheat software.

To me this is extremely frustrating and I know I'm not the only one. The Steam Deck is built TO PLAY GAMES! Why are anti-cheat preventing game from being played on a device that is made TO PLAY GAMES? This doesn't make any sense!

So what can we do about it? Well other than making a fit about it and others go farther by proving the anti-cheat is ineffective. I think the only thing we can effective do is reach out to Valve to make a incentive to these people to make there software work on Linux.


Edit:
THIS IS NOT ABOUT GTA V, GTA V IS ONLY A RECENT EXAMPLE AS EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT GTA V IS!

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE GAME IT SELF WORKING ON LINUX!
(if you don't know about steam-play/proton learn about that before posting here)

THIS IS ABOUT ANTI-CHEAT AND LINUX, Linux is not Cheat software yet a handful of anti-cheat's prevent people from playing because there not playing on windows.

Edit, edit:
Originalmente postado por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Things are in motion...

https://steamdeckhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/RedditGrandTheftAutoOnlineResponseSteamSupport.webp

:nkCool:
While this is not about GTA V thing are happening, for this one game. We need a solution for the rest!
Thank you Nate! and thank you the people over at Valve!
Última alteração por Tic-toc26; 19 set. 2024 às 8:30
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JacquesPatat 18 set. 2024 às 0:45 
read an article yesterday regarding the anti cheat what was implemented for GTA V, to my understanding there are people who is reaching out to Rockstar to find out regarding the anti cheat if they going to enable it on linux

Gamingonlinux article - https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/09/grand-theft-auto-v-gets-battleye-anti-cheat-breaks-online-play-on-steam-deck-linux/
Última alteração por JacquesPatat; 18 set. 2024 às 0:46
BJWyler 18 set. 2024 às 1:09 
Blame the people who cheat in games for games needing anti-cheat.

Is GTAV a Valve game? No? Well then. Valve has nothing to do with how the game is made, or what the actual devs decide to include in it, nor should Valve have anything to do with someone else's games. If you have a problem with a game, take it up with the people who made the game, Sonny Jim.
Waryth 18 set. 2024 às 1:49 
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System Requirements of a game: WINDOWS OS

Requirements as in REQUIRED. Its either WINDOWS or WINDOWS. NO OTHER OPTIONS.

Linux community: GAME IS ANTI LINUX!

Excuse you, It was NEVER meant for LINUX. Linux OS are meant for LINUX GAMES ONLY. How hard is that for you to understand?
Última alteração por Waryth; 18 set. 2024 às 2:07
Realigo Actual 18 set. 2024 às 2:12 
It would be better if anticheat vendors had something to make their task easier on making their anticheats compatible with Linux like a developer-targeted subscription with tools and assistance from a professional organization ala Microsoft, or, a man can dream, some kind of source-code access (hah! when hell freezes over).
Última alteração por Realigo Actual; 18 set. 2024 às 2:13
Tic-toc26 18 set. 2024 às 4:20 
Originalmente postado por JacquesPatat:
read an article yesterday regarding the anti cheat what was implemented for GTA V, to my understanding there are people who is reaching out to Rockstar to find out regarding the anti cheat if they going to enable it on linux

Gamingonlinux article - https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/09/grand-theft-auto-v-gets-battleye-anti-cheat-breaks-online-play-on-steam-deck-linux/
This is interesting, but I was kinda just using GTA V as a example, there are many other game out there that still have a similar issue with the anti-cheat.

Originalmente postado por BJWyler:
Blame the people who cheat in games for games needing anti-cheat.

Is GTAV a Valve game? No? Well then. Valve has nothing to do with how the game is made, or what the actual devs decide to include in it, nor should Valve have anything to do with someone else's games. If you have a problem with a game, take it up with the people who made the game, Sonny Jim.
I didn't say this was Valves fault? I was only using GTA V as a recent example, if you read the post I'm suggesting we get Valve to encourage them to make the anti-cheat work on Linux. It is not a end all solution but it could still have a large impact one what works on Linux.



Originalmente postado por Waryth:
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120 GB available space
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100% DirectX 10 compatible

System Requirements of a game: WINDOWS OS

Requirements as in REQUIRED. Its either WINDOWS or WINDOWS. NO OTHER OPTIONS.

Linux community: GAME IS ANTI LINUX!

Excuse you, It was NEVER meant for LINUX. Linux OS are meant for LINUX GAMES ONLY. How hard is that for you to understand?
Ok smart one, let me ask you. If that is the case, would you say it would be smart to have this on there store page?
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2499024154439364529/60568369BF701D006EE4523FF8D540C90305CE30/

Just a remember this isn't about GTA V this is about Anti-Cheat and Linux.

Originalmente postado por Realigo Actual:
It would be better if anticheat vendors had something to make their task easier on making their anticheats compatible with Linux like a developer-targeted subscription with tools and assistance from a professional organization ala Microsoft, or, a man can dream, some kind of source-code access (hah! when hell freezes over).
I'm having a hard time what your saying, but I think I understand? It is vary frustrating to be a Linux or more simply a Steam deck owner.
Última alteração por Tic-toc26; 18 set. 2024 às 4:49
Boblin the Goblin 18 set. 2024 às 4:22 
Originalmente postado por Waryth:
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4 GB RAM
Graphics
NVIDIA 9800 GT 1GB / AMD HD 4870 1GB (DX 10, 10.1, 11)
Storage
120 GB available space
Sound Card
100% DirectX 10 compatible
Additional Notes
Over time downloadable content and programming changes will change the system requirements for this game. Please refer to your hardware manufacturer and www.rockstargames.com/support for current compatibility information. Some system components such as mobile chipsets, integrated, and AGP graphics cards may be incompatible. Unlisted specifications may not be supported by the publisher.
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Windows 10 64 Bit
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8 GB RAM
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NVIDIA GTX 660 2GB / AMD HD 7870 2GB
Storage
120 GB available space
Sound Card
100% DirectX 10 compatible

System Requirements of a game: WINDOWS OS

Requirements as in REQUIRED. Its either WINDOWS or WINDOWS. NO OTHER OPTIONS.

Linux community: GAME IS ANTI LINUX!

Excuse you, It was NEVER meant for LINUX. Linux OS are meant for LINUX GAMES ONLY. How hard is that for you to understand?
Weird how I have all these Windows games that work on my Deck.
Wolfpig 18 set. 2024 às 4:24 
Originalmente postado por Tic-toc26:
Ok smart one, let me ask you. If that is the case, would you say it would be smart to have this on there store page?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256765760055808050/1285922465108852768/image.png?ex=66ec081e&is=66eab69e&hm=38cf03f114c901f1069f6600d9360ffa725d85cc9f8e73b440804b0a5635bba3&

if you are referring to the steam deck compatibilty symbol (as your link is dead)...that is something valve is adding themself after some automated "tests" i believe.
Tic-toc26 18 set. 2024 às 4:25 
Originalmente postado por Boblin the Goblin:
Weird how I have all these Windows games that work on my Deck.
That is it is clearly on the store page as one of the Top on Deck Games.

Originalmente postado por Wolfpig:
if you are referring to the steam deck compatibilty symbol (as your link is dead)...that is something valve is adding themself after some automated "tests" i believe.
Thanks, I think I fixed it, can't tell for certain until someone else is able to tell me.

Just in case it still dosn't work, I was referring the the big banner below the DLC for "Steam Deck Top Played".

Also just using GTA V as a example.
Última alteração por Tic-toc26; 18 set. 2024 às 4:45
Elucidator 18 set. 2024 às 4:38 
Originalmente postado por Waryth:
System Requirements of a game: WINDOWS OS

Requirements as in REQUIRED. Its either WINDOWS or WINDOWS. NO OTHER OPTIONS.

Linux community: GAME IS ANTI LINUX!

Excuse you, It was NEVER meant for LINUX. Linux OS are meant for LINUX GAMES ONLY. How hard is that for you to understand?

The problem isn't this specific game.
The OP is talking about Anti Cheat Software in general, and that the Linux Kernel and Linux run software, as well as Windows Compatibility Layers such as Proton are not registered as a legitimate. The Anti Cheat software sees something odd, and simply because it is odd, assumes it is a cheat and innitiates either a ban or prevents the game from working or both, rather than actually detecting a cheat happening within a game.

Anti Cheat Software directly promotes microsoft's monopoly as such, even though there is no reason to.

I don't think Valve can fix it. All you can do is refuse to play these games; games that break running on linux.
I actually recommend doing that, because otherwise companies will not adjust. Feel free to leave reviews, tweets and youtube videos about the issue.

Its similar to the Denuvo DRM lag inducement / experience degrading issue. It's a service problem.
Tic-toc26 18 set. 2024 às 4:45 
Originalmente postado por Elucidator:
The problem isn't this specific game.
The OP is talking about Anti Cheat Software in general, and that the Linux Kernel and Linux run software, as well as Windows Compatibility Layers such as Proton are not registered as a legitimate. The Anti Cheat software sees something odd, and simply because it is odd, assumes it is a cheat and innitiates either a ban or prevents the game from working or both, rather than actually detecting a cheat happening within a game.

Anti Cheat Software directly promotes microsoft's monopoly as such, even though there is no reason to.

I don't think Valve can fix it. All you can do is refuse to play these games; games that break running on linux.
I actually recommend doing that, because otherwise companies will not adjust. Feel free to leave reviews, tweets and youtube videos about the issue.

Its similar to the Denuvo DRM lag inducement / experience degrading issue. It's a service problem.
First off Thank you so much for understanding this isn't about GTA V. As far as Valve ability to change this, yeah I'm aware Valve can't force people to make there games work on Linux (well if they want it on Steam I suppose they could but that would be a bad idea). But I believe they have the power to encourage anti cheat devs to be more compatible with Linux. I just want this to stop, or at best happen less...
Última alteração por Tic-toc26; 18 set. 2024 às 10:55
ReBoot 18 set. 2024 às 4:55 
Originalmente postado por Tic-toc26:
Originalmente postado por Elucidator:
The problem isn't this specific game.
The OP is talking about Anti Cheat Software in general, and that the Linux Kernel and Linux run software, as well as Windows Compatibility Layers such as Proton are not registered as a legitimate. The Anti Cheat software sees something odd, and simply because it is odd, assumes it is a cheat and innitiates either a ban or prevents the game from working or both, rather than actually detecting a cheat happening within a game.

Anti Cheat Software directly promotes microsoft's monopoly as such, even though there is no reason to.

I don't think Valve can fix it. All you can do is refuse to play these games; games that break running on linux.
I actually recommend doing that, because otherwise companies will not adjust. Feel free to leave reviews, tweets and youtube videos about the issue.

Its similar to the Denuvo DRM lag inducement / experience degrading issue. It's a service problem.
First off Thank you so much for understanding this isn't about GTA V. As far as Valve ability to change this, yeah I'm aware Valve can't force people to make there games work on Linux (well if they want it on Steve I suppose they could but that would be a bad idea). But I believe they have the power to encourage anti cheat devs to be more compatible with Linux. I just want this to stop, or at best happen less...
... which they already do. It's jsut that some devs don't want to be encouraged to care about Linux/Proton.
veracsthane 18 set. 2024 às 6:01 
Originalmente postado por BJWyler:
Blame the people who cheat in games for games needing anti-cheat.

Is GTAV a Valve game? No? Well then. Valve has nothing to do with how the game is made, or what the actual devs decide to include in it, nor should Valve have anything to do with someone else's games. If you have a problem with a game, take it up with the people who made the game, Sonny Jim.

blame the political left actually... it started in califronia and just spread like wild fire due to how easy it was to exploit gamers who where far to welcoming. its where they got their business contacts. its how they met politicians.

back in the day the great before times before even prisoner island. when phones where attached to walls and not cell phones.

people would shamelessly kick you if you cheated and you ran out of people to play with. fast forward a bit and youd be banned because most people just didnt cheat. it was the hieght of shame. fast forward agian. the politcal left took virtually every multiplayer game hostage and quite a few of them have devs moonlighting cheats as a side hustle. thats where we as at.

the only reason this is so common is because people who can fix the problem are kicked out of the companies and the players who care and try and dont cheat are banned for saying anything ever.

you normalize enough bad behaviours and depopulate the servers enough and here we are. thats how we got here. dei among other programs from corperate pushed developers out and chat bans where shamelessly abused to kick the better people and players who finally got sick of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out.

and i quoute blizzard. "if you draft dodge you are toxic" yes im toxic for not wanting to lose a 4th game with the same person who cost me 3 other games who can be mathematically proven as an afk/greifer and it was unprovoked. its almost always unprovoked and in blizzards case its because of blizzard and what blizzard did that banned their top streamer falsely with heroes of the storm that caused the issues in that game. they disabled appeals for 4 months. i got a perma a month after that incident and because im not a streamer they told me and quite alot of people to pound sand. there are youtuber videos. you can scan them for 5 mins that show you what normal not afk not greifing players do. its 10 times 30-60k this isnt even opinion and blizzard isnt the only company who did it. ive also linked videos on youtube from around 2 years ago that shows blizzard uses the same failed and flawed ban bot in all of their games nearly 10 years later and its unchanged. its abused even more so in wow.

groups like the fair play alliance and there where 2 other lesser known ones that only came into existence after riot games soild leauge of legends to tencent. after that exact point it was a slipper slope and we just kept sliding. the fair play allince btw self censored their member list because of flak they rightly started getting and you can guess the names of the members if you watch any gaming news.

also because i just had another new issues with windows 10 ♥♥♥♥ windows. gonna have to make a proper gaming os one of these days to just dump windows. with how windows is going no one is going to use the trashy os. it would be dead already if it ever saw a real competitor. god speed linux but i wont hold my breath.

edit in im gonna have a stroke talking about this crap because of how angry some of it makes me and how much gaslighting the bad actors do. none of the known bad actors failed over night.
Última alteração por veracsthane; 18 set. 2024 às 6:06
veracsthane 18 set. 2024 às 6:12 
tldr my last one its literally the same group of people no matter the issues.
i just tried to take memes off my phone and windows and samsung took away a perfectly fine system that worked wonderfully for a laggy buggy app no one asked for that will take me hours to transfer the files because its new and bad and doesnt work like most of microsofts unasked for unwanted "improvements".

the only reason gta v or any game with any anti cheat doesnt work on linux is because they are trying damn hard to make a walled garden and the developers dont want it to for whatever reason.
Última alteração por veracsthane; 18 set. 2024 às 6:13
Realigo Actual 18 set. 2024 às 6:47 
^ lolwtf

Cheating in videogames is not a contemporary political issue. Also, huge swaths of the world do not operate under a democratic-but-private-sector-undermined ossified two-party system. Some are true multi-party democracies, some are democratic-styled oligarchies, some are running pleasant democratic veneers covering corrupt benign authoritarian structures. The whole RIGHT VS. LEFT thing is a Murica thing.

I agree that multiplayer used to better, though. Cheats used to happen back then, too, but you could be on a server with two dudes duping items or godding a boss, but most times, they wouldn't bother anyone else. PVP cheating was more rare. Multiplayer was better across the board back when.
Thermal Lance 18 set. 2024 às 6:50 
Get used to it. Anti-Cheats are getting more and more invasive by the day. Most of the time, Linux users gets shafted in the crossfire. It is what it is.
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