Moderation without accountability (to prevent confusion)

[The Gut]

My problem with these forums and moderation is that it cuts in favor of people who like the games vs people who are critical of the games.

This post is a perfect example. There is no reason to take down a timeless post within the same year timeframe.

There is no confusion on this either. When you go into a game forum and point out flaws about the game, there was fanboys waiting to jump on your post.

This is the culture due to developers making popularity more important than making a good product. It's obvious.

Now the last time I said this, was fine, but because this post not only cuts against kowtowing to developers and their games, it's also critical of this forum as a whole.

So if you disagree with this post, and the culture has changed, both on how games are defended and how mods react in favor of the developers and fanboys, please show me some evidence.

Thanks!

-The Gut

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Proof or it never happened.

[HikariLight]

If the criticism is nothing more than spewing hateful words, then yeah it will be removed.
Saying you hate a game is not criticism, that is your opinion.
Constructive criticism is always acceptable, but criticism that is nothing more than hateful words is just seen as spam and will be treated as such.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

You continue to be banned because you continue to be someone no one wants around. Thats not bias. No one is obligated to put up with an unwanted presence in a private space.

Stop being unlikable and your problem will be solved. No one cares about your personal gripes and no one has to.

[rawWwRrr]

引用自 The Gut：

My problem with these forums and moderation is that it cuts in favor of people who like the games vs people who are critical of the games.

Typically the users that are on the receiving end of moderation aren't *just* being critical of a game, or Steam/Valve for that matter.

Watch these community forums for an extended period of time and you'll see a flood of anti-Steam/Valve posts .... ON STEAMS FORUMS... whenever they make even the slightest change, and the posters generally don't get banned. The ones that do are because they started lashing out at others who didn't share their same viewpoints.

The latest wave came over the changes to the SSA. We still see posts critical of the new family sharing process because removed cross-border sharing. When Turkey and Argentina currencies were dropped in favor of a regional USD pricing brought a lot of angry users. Russians who found themselves being cutoff due to imposed sanctions blamed Valve for losing their ability to purchase games and not the world governments who enforced the sanctions.

And very few of those users end up getting banned.

It's never because the post is inherently critical. It's always about how that poster addresses those who respond to the post. Or... if they start the post out in a very toxic and troubling way.

There's nothing preventing critical discussion as long as that discussion is presented in a fair and honest fashion.

[Nx Machina]

引用自 The Gut：

My problem with these forums and moderation is that it cuts in favor of people who like the games vs people who are critical of the games.

This post is a perfect example. There is no reason to take down a timeless post within the same year timeframe.

There is no confusion on this either. When you go into a game forum and point out flaws about the game, there was fanboys waiting to jump on your post.

This is the culture due to developers making popularity more important than making a good product. It's obvious.

Now the last time I said this, was fine, but because this post not only cuts against kowtowing to developers and their games, it's also critical of this forum as a whole.

So if you disagree with this post, and the culture has changed, both on how games are defended and how mods react in favor of the developers and fanboys, please show me some evidence.

Thanks!

-The Gut

Posts should be constructive criticism of a game, not a rant about the developers etc.

What does not help your argument is the use of the word "fanboys" because it always comes across as ,"They are not affirming my opinion of the game and only my opinion counts."

The irony of course is we are all fans of something, even multiple things, whether that be food, music, specific game genres, movies etc.

[Crazy Tiger]

Game devs are in charge of the game hubs. If they want to remove criticism, that's fine. It's their place, as far as Valve is concerned.

Nobody owes people a space for their soap box.

That said, what OP describes is something that's always been around. "Official" forums for games also often enough were ran in such ways, and this is before Steam csm to be.
Not sure why people want to pass of such things as "something new"..

[Iron Knights]

To re-iterate, ran into White Dove (I call them Grey Pigeon now), with buying Train Simulator 2020. For 2 years I kept complaining of real bugs & issues that made game play hard to impossible. They perma banned me for getting too aggressive & cursing. Which can happen to any normal individual, especially when their lackies defend the game in the forums.
A year later they fixed many of the bugs & issues in-game, that I raised & complained about, but they kept the perma-ban on me. Corporations are the problem, not the solution.

[Ragman006]

引用自 Malfunctioning Robot：

You continue to be banned because you continue to be someone no one wants around. Thats not bias. No one is obligated to put up with an unwanted presence in a private space.

Stop being unlikable and your problem will be solved. No one cares about your personal gripes and no one has to.

Its better to be unliked than a bootlicker. The mods are bias and incompetent. Your post is proof in itself as others get banned for far less.

[Doctor Zalgo]

引用自 Iron Knights：

To re-iterate, ran into White Dove (I call them Grey Pigeon now), with buying Train Simulator 2020. For 2 years I kept complaining of real bugs & issues that made game play hard to impossible. They perma banned me for getting too aggressive & cursing. Which can happen to any normal individual, especially when their lackies defend the game in the forums.
A year later they fixed many of the bugs & issues in-game, that I raised & complained about, but they kept the perma-ban on me. Corporations are the problem, not the solution.

I wouldn't want someone who is unable to prevent themselves 'getting too agressive and cursing' interacting with my customers either.

[crunchyfrog]

Sorry but this is not how it works at all.

For a start individual game forums on here are run by the reps of the publishers or devs involved, not Valve. And what they say GOES, and you AGREED to.

You cannot make your own terms up as to how you THINK things should be run - that's not what you agreed to.

So you either adapt to what they tell you or you accept the consequences. That's how the real world works.

[veracsthane]

引用自 Ragman006：

引用自 Malfunctioning Robot：

You continue to be banned because you continue to be someone no one wants around. Thats not bias. No one is obligated to put up with an unwanted presence in a private space.

Stop being unlikable and your problem will be solved. No one cares about your personal gripes and no one has to.

Its better to be unliked than a bootlicker. The mods are bias and incompetent. Your post is proof in itself as others get banned for far less.

what this guy said. in too many cases the mods arent moderating they are censoring and its why you see the same topics over and over and over.

if you dont want ""right wing extremism"" then define what left wing extremeism is or piss off with the plantent lie espically if you arent banning the left wing extremism.

same with like games vs critcal of games.

if you worked for ubisoft and you went to the ceo and told him to his face that concord was ♥♥♥♥ and you should cancel it before wasting 400million on it and listed all of the reason it was obviously going to fail he would have fired you.

asmongold had that video where people are going to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hr because they dont use ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ emojies. its peak this is the stupidest ♥♥♥♥ imaginable and yet they did it. the worst part is the the people trying to take coworkers to hr over not using emojis should have been terminated and hr should have be like wise terminated for trying to shield them and you probably would have had a game not an 8 day dead on arrival that concord would be.

you saw it with Disney star wars as well and the force is female ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when they bought starwars for a male auidence. idk if yall knew this or not but they have moutians of princess content for little girls. it was literally bought for the male audience because there are only so many ways you can grow a business once you hit disneys size and its one of the markets with room for growth that disney can do something about without acting like amazon where they screw the ip/product to steal it for cheap.

引用自 Malfunctioning Robot：

You continue to be banned because you continue to be someone no one wants around. Thats not bias. No one is obligated to put up with an unwanted presence in a private space.

Stop being unlikable and your problem will be solved. No one cares about your personal gripes and no one has to.

this is case and point of pot meets kettle both are black but pot needs a mirror. its also why companies like steam will have to amend their ban bs to account for these trashy people. in a year ive seen maybe 2 of you get rightly banned for the fights you keep picking and the one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a while ago had the balls to claim i reported him and he got a warning or some nonsense. not only did i not report him that time but he kept screwing with others which is why he got a ban. they where ignoring most of my reports at the time. i was watching if any of you got anyhing from one of my reports it was warning and never a ban. the insane people who love the report function always have this quoted mentality and there are like a dozen of you doing it. im also pretty sure the forums are mostly dead without the bickering now over this as well.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Iron Knights：

To re-iterate, ran into White Dove (I call them Grey Pigeon now), with buying Train Simulator 2020. For 2 years I kept complaining of real bugs & issues that made game play hard to impossible. They perma banned me for getting too aggressive & cursing.

And from actual experience, this is what happens most of the time.

For the most part It's usually not the WHAT, but the HOW what ends up getting people banned.

It's easy to heat yourself up in your criticism, not feeling yourself heard, and crank up the volume notch after notch until you end up stepping outside of the line.

And that's when one gets themselves banned 'for speaking the truth' or 'criticising the game'

引用自 Doctor Zalgo：

I wouldn't want someone who is unable to prevent themselves 'getting too agressive and cursing' interacting with my customers either.

A good skill to learn is the ability to 'read the room' you're in. You sometimes have to perceive you're not in the right mood or in the right place, pack your things, take a breath ans call it a day.

Making a scene to have things your way is a tactic with very limited success options.

[wesnef]

re: necros

Every forum I've participated in has had a standard "lock necroposts" rule. It's not something special to Steam, it's not another targeted persecution by Evil Moderators, it's damn near universal.

The "to prevent confusion" is just stock boilerplate language that they told to stick on locked necroposts, even though it really only makes sense on posts for/about games that are still undergoing change - EA games, live service games, games still being patched, etc. Situations where a post referring to a bug/feature/problem/etc is talking about something that hasn't been true for years.

Well, and posts about "current events" (that once you bring the necro back up, aren't about current events, but might look like they're referring to something new.). Posts titled things like "OMG _______ is Happening!!!" when it *isn't* happening, because it happened (or didn't happen) in 2020.


But yeah, if they'd just gone with "we lock all necroposts because that's the rule," that would have cut off all these "confusion? that makes no sense" posts at the knees.

[yankees992007]

引用自 HikariLight：

If the criticism is nothing more than spewing hateful words, then yeah it will be removed.
Saying you hate a game is not criticism, that is your opinion.
Constructive criticism is always acceptable, but criticism that is nothing more than hateful words is just seen as spam and will be treated as such.

Not on steam. Maybe other websites yes. Liberal left controls Valve and steam. If you say anything against the narrative then that's would be the fastest way to get banned.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 yankees992007：

引用自 HikariLight：

If the criticism is nothing more than spewing hateful words, then yeah it will be removed.
Saying you hate a game is not criticism, that is your opinion.
Constructive criticism is always acceptable, but criticism that is nothing more than hateful words is just seen as spam and will be treated as such.

Not on steam. Maybe other websites yes. Liberal left controls Valve and steam. If you say anything against the narrative then that's would be the fastest way to get banned.

Which "against the narrative" in this case means insulting and demonizing LGBT groups.