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I believe there will always need to be one forum left available for posting into. As long as that's the case...
https://steamcommunity.com/app/578080/discussions/
There hasn't been anything in 8 hours, and so i assume you mean that. I never played the game. But see no issue, in developers not having wanting to do with the Steam Forums. In some cases, idk why they're there.
Some are so neglected they become trash hubs. Other, they leave a couple of kids to run the whole show, and are irresponsible at that. And on others, they let Valve run the whole moderation show, and can be days before anything is done, if it's done.
Some hubs with games i thought the dev long out of business, though the game still being sold.
Personally, i see no issue in fact, of ending the forums altogether. Idt they solve much.
We just enjoy sparring with eachother. But the legal and political situations in some of our states, may indeed have developers, if not Steam itself pack up shop from the forums.
Every other sub-forum is open to everyone.
I think there's only one, 'Events and Announcements", and by the look of that, they may shut that as well.
Yes...there's Feedback with one thread on it - where users are already getting banned.
Bug Report - I suspect any discussions here other than bug reports will get deleted or banned.
Event's & Announcements - can only comment on offical news, can't post your own discussion.
Yes.
It's a feature of Steam. It's the developers choice if they want to engage on it or not. Didn't think that Developers could selectively opt out or disable this.
PUBG is frequently a top 5 game on Steam. I get your point, but don't see that it's relevant on this case.
Yes I agree but that's what moderation's for and this is also a core feature/function of the Steam platform and has been part of Steam's DNA and a key differentiator over EGS. I checked the other top 10 games played on Steam and all have general discussions open and users are able to create new discussions there. This seems to be out of alignment on the Steam platform for other games with high playerbase.
Right, but as i said, they may not want to deal with moderation, may feel moderating on a site not up to par is not for them, or otherwise just not not wanting to deal, with what can be at times a huge headache.
I know a game hub, they just don't want to be there. They want to push, and even chide people into going to their official site off of Steam. And it shows, because they're arrogant and don't know how to run a forum.
And so i def understand the Steam Forums have been a centerpiece, but as i've explained, may become a liability as compared to the past.
They've chosen not to be there moderating it for 4-5 years. They used to have a sticky about it advising that the official forum is on Reddit/Discord. So they haven't been dealing with moderating it, Steam has been doing it.
This is all fine and normal. The Dev's aren't forced to moderate their own Steam hub. This has been the status quo for quite a long time.
There seems to be a change recently though. The sticky has been removed, the dev has returned, and suppressed all general discussions on the Hub. This seems unusual.
Yes, this happens from time to time...but do they ever switch off the ability for Steam users to post onto the games general discussion hub? This is not a feature of the game or the developer, it's a feature of the Steam platform. Does the developer really have this right to silence the community like this on Steam?
Personally, to be candid, i never heard of this happening. You did say they have Valve running their hubs. I've seen that as explained.
Who knows, given the new User Agreements that made it very tough to sue, maybe they may feel it's too easy to get sued with the new agreement. And don't want to be part of any liabilities as to what may happen on the forums. I sincerely don't know.
As a console main, we don't really have forums. But do to the extent, they need to have customer services for these games. And so they have a MS employees fielding the customer service questions.
But aside from that we have to go to other sites to have discussions about games.
It's an interesting topic no doubt, and certainly up for discussion. I just can't offer what they can get away with or what they can't on this topic. Only to say, if it can't be run effectively, don't have it at all.
But that's also all there is to it for me. Free game? Well, I know of much better free games to engage with.
They are under no obligation to take, or provide, a space for discussion. They have met Valves requirement of one forum open for anyone to use.
Aren't the people buying games on Steam the ones paying for it?
They aren't providing the space for discussion. Steam is. It's part of the platform.
What are these requirements you are mentioning? Can you link to them? I'd like to read it and see exactly what it says.
No.
The community hub comes with the "purchase" of the store page, and the devs can choose not to utilize it at all. They can moderate it as they see fit, and they can restrict access as they see fit.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/community#1
In fact devs can simply choose not to set up forums at ALL
Thanks for the link, reading the info indicates that the community hub goes live as soon as the release date is set to "coming soon" , there does not seem to be an option to opt out of forums or disable them by not setting them up at all. If the Dev does nothing, they simply get a default community hub setup and activated automatically.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/community#discussions
Highlights that Developers can setup "Post rights - Who is able to post in existing threads and create new ones." which seems to be what was done in this case. The Developer has blocked posting rights on the general tab for anybody other than the "Only group moderators and officers", effectively blocking anybody else from posting.
All the information is written in such a way as to be helpful for a Dev using the Hub features and for the Steam community to be using those features..
I don't see anything at all that talks about disabling discussions about their games. I also don't see anything referencing what the Dev's obligation is with regards to having a minimum of one forum to be open like you are suggesting.
I take your point that the Dev's pay to activate the hub, but it is the Steam users (those that buy the games) that fuel Steam as a company and these features are part of the core DNA of what make Steam more than just a shop front. If what you are saying is true, then there must be other examples on Steam that have done this. Do you know of any?