I was avatar banned

[Luxsie]

For having this as a profile picture: https://i.imgur.com/DNL2a3S.jpeg

I contacted Support about it, they responded by saying that it indeed wasn't a "good fit", and that I should just read the guidelines. I told them there were official avatars (like this one) that were just as explicit. Still waiting for an answer from them that isn't some generic copied and pasted paragraph.
What do you guys think?

[Rin]

Slave is an ethnic slur and according to Valve just fine. Any other ethnic slur however...

[MonkehMaster]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Bwoah님이 먼저 게시:

IMAO you serious before you talk at least inform yourself so you wont have to delete it later cause outsourcing support is a cost-effective strategy for businesses as it eliminates the need to hire additional staff, develop infrastructure, or invest in training so by outsourcing, companies can access a global pool of talent without the overhead costs associated with managing an in-house team.

And yet, that's not how the STeam Support functions.
Because their names are too well documented to be from America to be outsourced to random places.
Good grief.

If they are somehow from another country, I'll be very confused.
Since they don't act at all like the moderation team.
And Steam has been 100% using normal people from their state in their support for decades.
IT makes more sense to staff a small group in WAshington for Steam Support.

they aren't outsourced from America and the person you quoted didnt even mention America.., they are supposedly from europe according to regulars and ex mods.

also supposedly someone posted links/or info to the outsourced company, of which I seen a regular mention.

and as mentioned, support and moderation are the same teams from the same outsourced company, would make zero sense, money, data wise to be outsourced from 2 different companies.

also as mentioned, ex moderation (vmods) have said as such, that moderation and support are the same people.

also mentioning, do you think they are going to use the same names on moderation accounts and support names? while also noting the moderation accounts are brand new, no games and barely setup, with a sporadic post history showing they are used only when needed.

also noting the "good bye thread" from ex moderation (vmods), stating that support/moderation is outsourced.

and noting... majority of companies (as mentioned by another), ARE outsourced, my ISP has outsourced support, my cellphone service has outsourced support and I could continue writing a book who has outsourced support, but I won't.

please stop trying to spread misinformation.

have a nice day

[davidb11]

Rin님이 먼저 게시:

Slave is an ethnic slur and according to Valve just fine. Any other ethnic slur however...

No it's not. LOL wut.
Slavery predates ALL WRITTEN AND SPOKEN LANGUAGES.
WTF?!!
Saying it's a slur is like saying 2+2=87!

Lo Burattino님이 먼저 게시:

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, no, try again.
Mussolini holding a pizza would not be banned.
Maybe one could argue it's a plug for Fascism, but that would be pushing it.

And Stalin is allowed for many reasons.
Does not mean they're somehow not properly enforcing their own rules.

LOL wut.

You need to look up the rules better.
Avatars have specific things.

I'm speaking from experience here, about a year ago I decided to put a picture of mussolini holding a pizza as pfp and later a steam mod removed it.

Also "stalin is allowed for many reasons" doesn't sound right to me mate.

Sorry, but I don't believe you.

And Stalin is used in several games on Steam, so banning all avatars make no sense.

Also, you should have requested a review of your avatar being removed.

And okay, if the Volunteer mods said that, then it's correct.
I was mistaken.

[crunchyfrog]

Rin님이 먼저 게시:

Slave is an ethnic slur and according to Valve just fine. Any other ethnic slur however...

Nope it is not - you'd need to show evidence to support this weird claim.

So have at it.

[davidb11]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Rin님이 먼저 게시:

Slave is an ethnic slur and according to Valve just fine. Any other ethnic slur however...

Nope it is not - you'd need to show evidence to support this weird claim.

So have at it.

Seriously, that is the most absurd claim ever.
Slavery predates written and spoken languages, so it can't be a slur, ethnic or otherwise by default.

[Lo Burattino]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Sorry, but I don't believe you.

And Stalin is used in several games on Steam, so banning all avatars make no sense.

Also, you should have requested a review of your avatar being removed.

And okay, if the Volunteer mods said that, then it's correct.
I was mistaken.

The swastika is also used in several games, way more than any that use stalin, yet if I put it as my pfp they'll remove it, hitler is used in about every sniper elite games, if I use it they'll remove him. This isn't a good argument.

I really don't get your obsession with fighting tooth and nail to defend the flawed steam moderation like you're being paid for it.

[davidb11]

Lo Burattino님이 먼저 게시:

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Sorry, but I don't believe you.

And Stalin is used in several games on Steam, so banning all avatars make no sense.

Also, you should have requested a review of your avatar being removed.

And okay, if the Volunteer mods said that, then it's correct.
I was mistaken.

The swastika is also used in several games, way more than any that use stalin, yet if I put it as my pfp they'll remove it, hitler is used in about every sniper elite games, if I use it they'll remove him. This isn't a good argument.

I really don't get your obsession with fighting tooth and nail to defend the flawed steam moderation like you're being paid for it.

Why are you making up nonsense?
I'm not defending anything,.
I speak the truth.

You cannot attack me and claim I Somehow work for Steam.
THat is literally invalid and makes everything you say completely invalid.

Good grief.
Paranoia is not allowed here.

No one can use the Swastika or the picture of Hitler, so, you can't complain about that being removed ever.

You can't argue from a point of absurdity and then expect people to take you seriously.

[Top Cat]

Where 'certain parties' can bore the guano out of everyone by spouting the terms upon this and as presided over by steam that ZZzzzzz The facts are thus.

This avatar is no more or less suitable considering the official saucy ones or even should be in the realm of the banned bracket.

Sorry but you have just been 'Steamed' or 'Steamrollered':-/

[davidb11]

Top Cat님이 먼저 게시:

Where 'certain parties' can bore the guano out of everyone by spouting the terms upon this and as presided over by steam that ZZzzzzz The facts are thus.

This avatar is no more or less suitable considering the official saucy once or even should have been banned.

Sorry but you have just been 'Steamed' :-/

Huh?
What do you mean?

[Top Cat]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Top Cat님이 먼저 게시:

Where 'certain parties' can bore the guano out of everyone by spouting the terms upon this and as presided over by steam that ZZzzzzz The facts are thus.

This avatar is no more or less suitable considering the official saucy once or even should have been banned.

Sorry but you have just been 'Steamed' :-/

Huh?
What do you mean?

1. Many bore us with Steam's T&C's

2. The banned Avatar is not at all over-'saucy' or inappropriate

3. I think the Saucy official steam avatars are not any better or worse that the one the OP said he had banned.

4. Being Steamed or Steamrollered are my terms for saying You have just been 'frecked over' by Steam :-/ It happens.

[mldb88]

The main thing that matters is point shop avatars have been vetted and pre-approved. Regardless of how you want to interpret it, the approved avatars have gotten the thumbs up from Valve to be used, custom user uploaded ones have not.

For those going on about other profile details, most of the saucier stuff is hidden by default if the settings to not show adult content is on for your store preference iirc, or theres some kind of setting that does it. Those also are only shown to those visiting a profile and again are hidden with certain settings so they're not really relevant to the conversation. Avatars on the other hand are displayed whether people want to see them or not.

As for the manual review, yea I kind of agree it's inconsistent as ♥♥♥♥ and outsourced moderation apparently doesn't know how to look at ticket log histories or prior action histories when it comes to accounts considering how many times I've seen people complaint about the back and forth "This avatar is breaking our guidelines" becoming "We made a mistake" only to get taken down again, rinse and repeat.

dizzy ladybug님이 먼저 게시:

lol at that official avatar, i might change mine to that

Quoting you just for quick reference to jump to the post so people can see the avatar in question, but there is another user with that avatar that people keep reporting, going through the exact above cycle, even though it's a Valve approved avatar.

As for OP's avatar, honestly might just be the way that it's censored, using a sword or object for censorship rather than an... and im using heavy airquotes on this one.... "article of clothing" like in the official avatar that got it hit. A better standard ruleset would be nice but at the end of the day, the point shop ones are approved by Valve, any other provocative avatars just kind of come with an inherent risk of getting removed if someone reports.

[davidb11]

Top Cat님이 먼저 게시:

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Huh?
What do you mean?

1. Many bore us with Steam's T&C's

2. The banned Avatar is not at all over-'saucy' or inappropriate

3. I think the Saucy official steam avatars are not any better or worse that the one the OP said he had banned.

4. Being Steamed or Steamrollered are my terms for saying You have just been 'frecked over' by Steam :-/ It happens.

The banned Avatar is inappropriate and no one can claim otherwise. LOL wut.
IT's far worse than everything on Steam's point shops.
By a dozen times.

[Top Cat]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Top Cat님이 먼저 게시:

1. Many bore us with Steam's T&C's

2. The banned Avatar is not at all over-'saucy' or inappropriate

3. I think the Saucy official steam avatars are not any better or worse that the one the OP said he had banned.

4. Being Steamed or Steamrollered are my terms for saying You have just been 'frecked over' by Steam :-/ It happens.

The banned Avatar is inappropriate and no one can claim otherwise. LOL wut.
IT's far worse than everything on Steam's point shops.
By a dozen times.

Thanks for reading my opinion and thanks for sharing yours :-)

[Who]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

Top Cat님이 먼저 게시:

1. Many bore us with Steam's T&C's

2. The banned Avatar is not at all over-'saucy' or inappropriate

3. I think the Saucy official steam avatars are not any better or worse that the one the OP said he had banned.

4. Being Steamed or Steamrollered are my terms for saying You have just been 'frecked over' by Steam :-/ It happens.

The banned Avatar is inappropriate and no one can claim otherwise. LOL wut.
IT's far worse than everything on Steam's point shops.
By a dozen times.

LOL the OP avatar is disney stuff compared to what they sell on steam.