Buy on local store games instead of digital through steam.

[E.Z]

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library so I going to buy the games from a real store. In that way I can keep my games from being deleted. I understand steam but I dont like it. I will not buy digital games through steam any more. If any one else dont want the game that you paid to be removed from steam I suggest you buy from a local store and not buy from steam any more.

[Start_Running]

Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:

Nargo님이 먼저 게시:

That assumes such stores still exist. And even if they do, would be surprised if the physical cases didn't just contain a redeem code for a DRM copy of the game.

Around here some still exist, yeah. But as you say, the PC games usually have a requirement for Steam or Epic or such.

Bingo which makes sense. i mean They'd have to ship with spindles to hold the discs needed for install of some of these larger games. And them ggames only be getting larger.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

E.Z님이 먼저 게시:

Buy on local store games instead of digital through steam.

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library so I going to buy the games from a real store. In that way I can keep my games from being deleted. I understand steam but I dont like it. I will not buy digital games through steam any more. If any one else dont want the game that you paid to be removed from steam I suggest you buy from a local store and not buy from steam any more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-bVEc8oZvk

I hope you actually stop, and think what you said, or at least bother to research what you're going on about, when going out of your way to buy games digitally..... That include buying physical copy for a DIGITAL KEY to redeem the game....

Steam, PSN, Xbox, Epic, etc, etc, etc..... Yeah all the same.

If you WANT to go down this path, STOP buying digital copies, go to console, and ONLY buy physical disk copy that can be played offline without needing download anything, that all you can do, and if the game happen to be sold digitally only then you're SOL for said game. So yeah hope you understand.

Also FYI Steam never removes people games without reasons, and to be clear I MEAN REASONS!!!

[.]

Tiny acorns OP, grow a mighty oak.

Zoomers are learning from the mistakes of boomers. It was all convenience.

Vinyl revival and CD revival because boomers have nothing to show for probably an average of £600 per user (5 years or so) , since circa 2006.

You get everything for £10 but nothing for £10,000.

There will be a revival for physical games too when the market demands it.

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

.님이 먼저 게시:

Tiny acorns OP, grow a mighty oak.

Zoomers are learning from the mistakes of boomers. It was all convenience.

Vinyl revival and CD revival because boomers have nothing to show for probably an average of £600 per user (5 years or so) , since circa 2006.

You get everything for £10 but nothing for £10,000.

There will be a revival for physical games too when the market demands it.

Boomers: "Why don't kids go outside?!?"
Gen Z: "Because it's all just concrete and stores and everytime I do you call the cops!"

[TWiZTED]

Steam made me buy from GoG for the first time in my life. I've got the feeling it will be a long term relationship.

[joemccormack_65]

TWiZTED님이 먼저 게시:

Steam made me buy from GoG for the first time in my life. I've got the feeling it will be a long term relationship.

Yeah Twiz, I'm with you. I just bought a game bundle from GoG about 30 mins ago. And you know what, it felt great knowing that I own the bundle. I really own it man. No regrets at all. I haven't had that feeling for a long, long time man. People can say what they want, but as long as I download the installer with the game bundle the game bundle is mine. And the more people that buy from them, the more game producers will want to post their games there. It's only natural.

[crunchyfrog]

Nargo님이 먼저 게시:

That assumes such stores still exist. And even if they do, would be surprised if the physical cases didn't just contain a redeem code for a DRM copy of the game.

Such stores DO still exist. I buy physical galore, predominantly so.

Although there is a caveat or two. Obviously we're not talking physical PC games - those haven't existed fro quite some time now (except for maybe bespoke limited releases). We're talking other platforms.

I'm disabled. I do all my shopping online these days, even food. I have plenty of different platforms as I don't care about what plastic box plays a game. I'm in the UK and I regularly use stores like Amazon, Ebay or CEX as kind of baseline go-tos. This means they're either new games or used, depending.

But there's also plenty of other stores too - HMV, or any of the other high street stores, to regular online stores. Some are a bit crap and tend to be a bit clueless as what to stock. But there's a couple of really good stores I use as they have decent sales regularly and their service is good - namely shopto.net and simplygames.

There's still far more than this. And not just in the UK of course. Across Europe. And when I occasionally go to Japan, I ALWAYS buy a load of games that I can cram in my suitcases.

[crunchyfrog]

TWiZTED님이 먼저 게시:

Steam made me buy from GoG for the first time in my life. I've got the feeling it will be a long term relationship.

Then again you are maybe misunderstanding the terms.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR YOU. The rules of digital licences are exactly the same as they've always been. The only thing that's changed is what words they use for you at checkout.

Now, if it means you've now realised exactly how digital has flaws versus physical, cool. But if you're assuming something's changed then you're just wrong.

[crunchyfrog]

joemccormack_65님이 먼저 게시:

TWiZTED님이 먼저 게시:

Steam made me buy from GoG for the first time in my life. I've got the feeling it will be a long term relationship.

Yeah Twiz, I'm with you. I just bought a game bundle from GoG about 30 mins ago. And you know what, it felt great knowing that I own the bundle. I really own it man. No regrets at all. I haven't had that feeling for a long, long time man. People can say what they want, but as long as I download the installer with the game bundle the game bundle is mine. And the more people that buy from them, the more game producers will want to post their games there. It's only natural.

But again if you've only just realised what digital distribution entails fair enough, you do you.

But NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

[Dylan]

I haven't ran into the problem that you described in 20 years of use.

[Bloody Moon]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

TWiZTED님이 먼저 게시:

Steam made me buy from GoG for the first time in my life. I've got the feeling it will be a long term relationship.

Then again you are maybe misunderstanding the terms.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR YOU. The rules of digital licences are exactly the same as they've always been. The only thing that's changed is what words they use for you at checkout.

Now, if it means you've now realised exactly how digital has flaws versus physical, cool. But if you're assuming something's changed then you're just wrong.

are exactly the same and bla bla bla.......
Of course it changes, the fact that you continue to uselessly defend Valve in your posts, you are misrepresenting the reality, GOG offers the possibility of making offline backups just like owning physical copies, regardless of what the rules say.
The point is that you really struggle to understand this, I don't understand if you have any understanding limitations.

[Lo Burattino]

E.Z님이 먼저 게시:

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library so I going to buy the games from a real store. In that way I can keep my games from being deleted. I understand steam but I dont like it. I will not buy digital games through steam any more. If any one else dont want the game that you paid to be removed from steam I suggest you buy from a local store and not buy from steam any more.

The problem is that local stores don't have physical copies of Indie and AA games, which are most of my purchases.

[wesnef]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Nargo님이 먼저 게시:

That assumes such stores still exist. And even if they do, would be surprised if the physical cases didn't just contain a redeem code for a DRM copy of the game.

Such stores DO still exist. I buy physical galore, predominantly so.

Although there is a caveat or two. Obviously we're not talking physical PC games - those haven't existed fro quite some time now (except for maybe bespoke limited releases). We're talking other platforms.

But we're here on the Steam store, talking about the current "omg LICENSES!" flap, so the topic is PC games.
Yeah, console still makes physical releases. (which, for anything big, STILL need to download most of the content, the disc only has key files)

But there's also plenty of other stores too - HMV, or any of the other high street stores, to regular online stores. Some are a bit crap and tend to be a bit clueless as what to stock.

This may be a bit different, though - we don't really have software stores any more. We've got Gamestop, but they've mostly switched to stocking stupid toys like Funco Pops, and being a meme stock. Or are you talking about general department & electronics stores, like Target or Best Buy? Not familiar with British chains. (and part of the whole "urban spawl / suburbia" spread-out thing the US has going, not really familiar with the whole "high street" concept. We have shopping malls & highways. And the decades-progression of shopping malls -> WalMart -> Amazon, killed a lot of the little "mom & pop" local stores.)

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

joemccormack_65님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah Twiz, I'm with you. I just bought a game bundle from GoG about 30 mins ago. And you know what, it felt great knowing that I own the bundle. I really own it man. No regrets at all. I haven't had that feeling for a long, long time man. People can say what they want, but as long as I download the installer with the game bundle the game bundle is mine. And the more people that buy from them, the more game producers will want to post their games there. It's only natural.

But again if you've only just realised what digital distribution entails fair enough, you do you.

But NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

Yeah, the big problem here is that the SSA change and "license" is a legal terminology thing, and all these people screaming about it are using an emotional definition of "own", not the legal one.

"I've got an installer downloaded, so I can reinstall it any time I want! I'm not dependent on the server/install system! I 'own' this!" has absolutely nothing to do with the SSA or software licensing. They have exactly as much legal "ownership" of those GoG (and disc) games as they do their Steam games.

[Sam the big Toucan]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

AustrAlien2010님이 먼저 게시:

I also think that. One has accepted this agreement for 19 years.
And now suddenly it's a problem.

Some people just don't listen sadly, and think they know better.

I've said this many times. Go and watch arrest cams on Youtube.

So very many of them you will not just find ignorance of basic laws, but so often it's coupled with entitlement and arrogance.

I guarantee that you will not get through 6 of such videos before you hear the immortal words
"I KNOW MY RIGHTS" and then they immediately demonstrate they absolutely do not.

It's the same here.

You know... not a lot of people actually go through the "Terms of Service"..... Its quite rare.

[rawWwRrr]

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Then again you are maybe misunderstanding the terms.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR YOU. The rules of digital licences are exactly the same as they've always been. The only thing that's changed is what words they use for you at checkout.

Now, if it means you've now realised exactly how digital has flaws versus physical, cool. But if you're assuming something's changed then you're just wrong.

are exactly the same and bla bla bla.......
Of course it changes, the fact that you continue to uselessly defend Valve in your posts, you are misrepresenting the reality, GOG offers the possibility of making offline backups just like owning physical copies, regardless of what the rules say.
The point is that you really struggle to understand this, I don't understand if you have any understanding limitations.

You're conflating two different aspects of video games. One is licensing. The second is distribution.

The licensing is the same whether you get back up copies, physical install CDs, or direct install. You don't own the game regardless of what format you receive it in. You are only licensed to play a copy of that game. And while the way you obtain a copy can change based on the source, your rights to that game don't change.

GOG provides backup files. Steam does not. This doesn change the licensing rules. Between the two, it's DRM or the lack thereof. That's all. DRM provides a copy protection that a lot of publishers enjoy. It's why Steam's catalog is much more massive in comparison to GOG.