Buy on local store games instead of digital through steam.

[E.Z]

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library so I going to buy the games from a real store. In that way I can keep my games from being deleted. I understand steam but I dont like it. I will not buy digital games through steam any more. If any one else dont want the game that you paid to be removed from steam I suggest you buy from a local store and not buy from steam any more.

[Start_Running]

Haruspex の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

I mean it has happened. Mighty Quest for Epic Loot,m and Loadout, are both gone from my library.

Both of those were free-to-play online games. Has a game you ever paid for on Steam ever been removed? (Excepting extremely rare instances, as you mentioned, were it was justified and you were automatically given a refund.)

With in game purchases you can make with real money. You ciould easily spend as much on one of those games as you would on a paid game. And trust me when I say the F2P experience became something that was not rewarding..which is kinda why those games wound up failing honestly. The people with the in app purchases had such an advantage that it really didn't make sense to play if you weren't.

But you are right in that in many of the other instances refunds were given. With the exception of where the game is the subject of payment fraud. Ie. the dev/pubs looked at their receipts and noticed they did not have one for a particular active license and so *boop* bye bye.
No refund.

Granted this is an issue between the player and where ever they the key from.
I've never heard of such a thing happening with a direct from steam purchase.

Also you misquoted me in that last one.

[Tito Shivan]

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

I would be prepared to bet either it's as you say - they've bought it somewhere dodgy and it got pulled. Or they've done the usual trick of hiding it (deliberately or by accident) and it's not appearing.

If it's hidden there's a good way to know. It'll show either on his purchases or his license activations.

[Start_Running]

Chika Ogiue の投稿を引用：

Bloody Moon の投稿を引用：

Scam early access games are punishable by law regardless of the disclaimer of responsibility described in the store.

Please name one Early Access game that was sold on Steam that has been subject to a law that required it be legally removed from sale because the developers were unable to further development.

There have been more than a few. I mean when the dev/pub goes flat up insolvent. Heck there was that game that made waves the other day. This Multiplayer zombie survivalk game that released and then went dead in the space of a week.

There was also one case where a split in the dev team made further development of the game impossible so the game had to be cut,/cancelled and removed from the store and libraries.. refunds were given that time if I recall.

Basically once the dev/pub ceases to exist the game can no longer be sold.
FIOr tghe practical reason that the license agreement requires both the buyer and the seller to exist. ANd also the more practical reason that there's no one to send the money to.

[crunchyfrog]

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

I would be prepared to bet either it's as you say - they've bought it somewhere dodgy and it got pulled. Or they've done the usual trick of hiding it (deliberately or by accident) and it's not appearing.

If it's hidden there's a good way to know. It'll show either on his purchases or his license activations.

Yup, I forgot to suggest that.

[crunchyfrog]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Chika Ogiue の投稿を引用：

Please name one Early Access game that was sold on Steam that has been subject to a law that required it be legally removed from sale because the developers were unable to further development.

There have been more than a few. I mean when the dev/pub goes flat up insolvent. Heck there was that game that made waves the other day. This Multiplayer zombie survivalk game that released and then went dead in the space of a week.

There was also one case where a split in the dev team made further development of the game impossible so the game had to be cut,/cancelled and removed from the store and libraries.. refunds were given that time if I recall.

Basically once the dev/pub ceases to exist the game can no longer be sold.
FIOr tghe practical reason that the license agreement requires both the buyer and the seller to exist. ANd also the more practical reason that there's no one to send the money to.

Yup I immiedately though t of The Day Before myself.

Is it fair to call out the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of that couple of broithers, Digital Homicide too?

[Start_Running]

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

There have been more than a few. I mean when the dev/pub goes flat up insolvent. Heck there was that game that made waves the other day. This Multiplayer zombie survivalk game that released and then went dead in the space of a week.

There was also one case where a split in the dev team made further development of the game impossible so the game had to be cut,/cancelled and removed from the store and libraries.. refunds were given that time if I recall.

Basically once the dev/pub ceases to exist the game can no longer be sold.
FIOr tghe practical reason that the license agreement requires both the buyer and the seller to exist. ANd also the more practical reason that there's no one to send the money to.

Yup I immiedately though t of The Day Before myself.

Is it fair to call out the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of that couple of broithers, Digital Homicide too?

I've been trying to remember the name of that developer for months now.. Thanks.

[Kargor]

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

Did you buy the game through a key site? Wouldn't be the first time redeemed keys get revoked by the dev for some payment issue with the key site.

That doesn't happen silently, though.

It happened to me once, with a game I got from a giveaway. You can't really miss the notification from Steam (Disclaimer: you couldn't miss the notification from Steam back when it happened to me. It's theoretically possible that they changed it, so you can miss it now); IIRC the way to get rid of it was me having to actually type out "OK" or something like that, instead of just clicking some "Yeah yeah, I've seen it" button.

Still, shouldn't happen with actual stores. If anything, it's the usual scam stores. No idea where that giveaway sourced their keys.

[Chika Ogiue]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

There have been more than a few. I mean when the dev/pub goes flat up insolvent. Heck there was that game that made waves the other day. This Multiplayer zombie survivalk game that released and then went dead in the space of a week.

There was also one case where a split in the dev team made further development of the game impossible so the game had to be cut,/cancelled and removed from the store and libraries.. refunds were given that time if I recall.

Basically once the dev/pub ceases to exist the game can no longer be sold.
FIOr tghe practical reason that the license agreement requires both the buyer and the seller to exist. ANd also the more practical reason that there's no one to send the money to.

Not what I meant. The person I quoted stated games legally considered to be a scam. A developer going out of business isn't necessarily a scam. But it's my mistake for not wording the post as detailed as I should have. Sorry for the confusion.

So to try again:

Can you (or anyone) list a title where an Early Access game was deemed a scam and then, as a result of a court order, forcefully removed from sale regardless of how Valve would have acted otherwise?

The point being, that the game removed was removed as a result of being a scam, and the removal from sale being ordered by a legal entity. I'm well aware that Valve have acted on their own cognition and removed titles they've deemed to be illegal. But I want to know of one where the removal was forced by another entity, that was neither Valve nor the (rightful) IP holder.

[crunchyfrog]

Chika Ogiue の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

There have been more than a few. I mean when the dev/pub goes flat up insolvent. Heck there was that game that made waves the other day. This Multiplayer zombie survivalk game that released and then went dead in the space of a week.

There was also one case where a split in the dev team made further development of the game impossible so the game had to be cut,/cancelled and removed from the store and libraries.. refunds were given that time if I recall.

Basically once the dev/pub ceases to exist the game can no longer be sold.
FIOr tghe practical reason that the license agreement requires both the buyer and the seller to exist. ANd also the more practical reason that there's no one to send the money to.

Not what I meant. The person I quoted stated games legally considered to be a scam. A developer going out of business isn't necessarily a scam. But it's my mistake for not wording the post as detailed as I should have. Sorry for the confusion.

So to try again:

Can you (or anyone) list a title where an Early Access game was deemed a scam and then, as a result of a court order, forcefully removed from sale regardless of how Valve would have acted otherwise?

The point being, that the game removed was removed as a result of being a scam, and the removal from sale being ordered by a legal entity. I'm well aware that Valve have acted on their own cognition and removed titles they've deemed to be illegal. But I want to know of one where the removal was forced by another entity, that was neither Valve nor the (rightful) IP holder.

Fair enough.

And I think you're correct - I'm not aware of such a thing.

[Paratech2008]

Channel_701 の投稿を引用：

Crazy Tiger の投稿を引用：

Way too many people check clickbait stuff. As said, nothing had changed.

It's becoming rather impossible to purchase a "physical" PC game that isn't tied to a launcher. So, not a solution.

ty for adding nothing to the conversation

Paratech2008 の投稿を引用：

Then why ignore the warning text in the store that they are as-is and may not be completed.

Every Early Access game has that warning.

Just don't buy them if you aren't willing to take the risk or wait until or if they are released.

Never buy early access, you're paying for a beta test and a game that maybe might release

I've only had one do that and it was from a cheap bundle. I didn't buy the bundle for that game.

[Haruspex]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

With in game purchases you can make with real money. You ciould easily spend as much on one of those games as you would on a paid game. And trust me when I say the F2P experience became something that was not rewarding..which is kinda why those games wound up failing honestly. The people with the in app purchases had such an advantage that it really didn't make sense to play if you weren't.

But you are right in that in many of the other instances refunds were given. With the exception of where the game is the subject of payment fraud. Ie. the dev/pubs looked at their receipts and noticed they did not have one for a particular active license and so *boop* bye bye.
No refund.

Granted this is an issue between the player and where ever they the key from.
I've never heard of such a thing happening with a direct from steam purchase.

Yep, I think removing/shutting down online games is another discussion entirely, though a very valid one. See the "Stop Killing Games" initiative in the EU.

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Also you misquoted me in that last one.

Did I? Sorry, I'll fix it.

[Start_Running]

Chika Ogiue の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

There have been more than a few. I mean when the dev/pub goes flat up insolvent. Heck there was that game that made waves the other day. This Multiplayer zombie survivalk game that released and then went dead in the space of a week.

There was also one case where a split in the dev team made further development of the game impossible so the game had to be cut,/cancelled and removed from the store and libraries.. refunds were given that time if I recall.

Basically once the dev/pub ceases to exist the game can no longer be sold.
FIOr tghe practical reason that the license agreement requires both the buyer and the seller to exist. ANd also the more practical reason that there's no one to send the money to.

Not what I meant. The person I quoted stated games legally considered to be a scam. A developer going out of business isn't necessarily a scam. But it's my mistake for not wording the post as detailed as I should have. Sorry for the confusion.

So to try again:

Can you (or anyone) list a title where an Early Access game was deemed a scam and then, as a result of a court order, forcefully removed from sale regardless of how Valve would have acted otherwise?

That's a very specific list. But no I can't but as a note I do have a limited awareness of the games in early access,

Chika Ogiue の投稿を引用：

The point being, that the game removed was removed as a result of being a scam, and the removal from sale being ordered by a legal entity.

I honestly don't think you'll find a case of that since Valve generally goes ahead of the curve in that. They usually disable the store page at the first hint of legal issues.

Haruspex の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

With in game purchases you can make with real money. You ciould easily spend as much on one of those games as you would on a paid game. And trust me when I say the F2P experience became something that was not rewarding..which is kinda why those games wound up failing honestly. The people with the in app purchases had such an advantage that it really didn't make sense to play if you weren't.

But you are right in that in many of the other instances refunds were given. With the exception of where the game is the subject of payment fraud. Ie. the dev/pubs looked at their receipts and noticed they did not have one for a particular active license and so *boop* bye bye.
No refund.

Granted this is an issue between the player and where ever they the key from.
I've never heard of such a thing happening with a direct from steam purchase.

Yep, I think removing/shutting down online games is another discussion entirely, though a very valid one. See the "Stop Killing Games" initiative in the EU.

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Also you misquoted me in that last one.

Did I? Sorry, I'll fix it.

UIn fairness. the crux there is who pays for the servers... I mean those things aren't free. By the time load out closed it was pretty much a ghost town. Because again.they biased things towards the whales so much that there were no actual new players sticking around long enough to become whales themselves. Same thing ofor Mighty Quest.

[vatrovia]

E.Z の投稿を引用：

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library so I going to buy the games from a real store. In that way I can keep my games from being deleted. I understand steam but I dont like it. I will not buy digital games through steam any more. If any one else dont want the game that you paid to be removed from steam I suggest you buy from a local store and not buy from steam any more.

First, it's not "if anyone else [don't] want to", you actually said, "if anyone else [do not] want to". Proper English is "If anyone else [doesn't] want to. Secondly, why are you here bothering everyone...leave and go get your games elsewhere...we don't need to know what you're doing!

[ナルゴ]

That assumes such stores still exist. And even if they do, would be surprised if the physical cases didn't just contain a redeem code for a DRM copy of the game.

[Crazy Tiger]

Nargo の投稿を引用：

That assumes such stores still exist. And even if they do, would be surprised if the physical cases didn't just contain a redeem code for a DRM copy of the game.

Around here some still exist, yeah. But as you say, the PC games usually have a requirement for Steam or Epic or such.