Buy on local store games instead of digital through steam.

[E.Z]

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library so I going to buy the games from a real store. In that way I can keep my games from being deleted. I understand steam but I dont like it. I will not buy digital games through steam any more. If any one else dont want the game that you paid to be removed from steam I suggest you buy from a local store and not buy from steam any more.

[Paratech2008]

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Weird. Still in my library.
Was that a direct purchase from steam or from a key site?

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?
Valve's fine is just the beginning

Then why ignore the warning text in the store that they are as-is and may not be completed.

Every Early Access game has that warning.

Just don't buy them if you aren't willing to take the risk or wait until or if they are released.

[The nameless Gamer]

wesnef님이 먼저 게시:

The nameless Commander님이 먼저 게시:

Next time I see a game like "Under Night in-Birth" or "Bloodstained - Ritual of the night", I will. Stores however only sell mainstream trash so...

Good luck even finding that. Physical copies of PC games are a dying breed.


(I recall some statistic from a few years ago when I was looking up other things. It was something like. . . 2% of PC game sales for that year, were physical sales. And that was a few years ago, I'm sure it's even smaller. What store would you even go to that still has a PC game shelf?)

Unsurprising. Last time I bought a physical copy of a game, it was 2011, Dawn of War II and expansions. While they are discs, vanilla and Chaos Rising were GFWL editions (now Steam editions) and "Retribution" would install Steam first before installing the game.

[Crazy Tiger]

Way too many people check clickbait stuff. As said, nothing had changed.

It's becoming rather impossible to purchase a "physical" PC game that isn't tied to a launcher. So, not a solution.

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:

Way too many people check clickbait stuff. As said, nothing had changed.

It's becoming rather impossible to purchase a "physical" PC game that isn't tied to a launcher. So, not a solution.

ty for adding nothing to the conversation

Paratech2008님이 먼저 게시:

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?
Valve's fine is just the beginning

Then why ignore the warning text in the store that they are as-is and may not be completed.

Every Early Access game has that warning.

Just don't buy them if you aren't willing to take the risk or wait until or if they are released.

Never buy early access, you're paying for a beta test and a game that maybe might release

[Piston Smashed™]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Cray님이 먼저 게시:

Just the other day I noticed Poker Night at the Inventory was deleted from my library. Used to be there, now it's gone. Support said sorry we can't explain why, but it's been removed and you can't have it back.

Weird. Still in my library.
Was that a direct purchase from steam or from a key site?

It is still in my inventory as well but what I do find weird is the fact that they haven't posted in the Poker Night discussions hub asking if anyone else has had the game removed. I know if it was me, the first thing I would do is go to the hub and ask if anyone else has had the game removed before asking support but that's just me.

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Weird. Still in my library.
Was that a direct purchase from steam or from a key site?

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?
Valve's fine is just the beginning

Big Blue Warning...

[Doctor Zalgo]

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Weird. Still in my library.
Was that a direct purchase from steam or from a key site?

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?
Valve's fine is just the beginning

Early access isn't the same as a preorder. You're not buying a finished game, you're buying the game as is. The store page is very clear on that.

[Lithurge]

Paratech2008님이 먼저 게시:

And aren't , movies, etc removed from libraries?

If you're talking Apple then yes, when their license to sell a movie expires they remove it from customers libraries so they can't stream it anymore.

[76561198407601200]

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Weird. Still in my library.
Was that a direct purchase from steam or from a key site?

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?
Valve's fine is just the beginning

I believe if someone has ignored the large warning on early access games that the game may or may not continue in development and purchase the game anyway just to be disappointed then they have received exactly everything they have deserved.

Channel_701님이 먼저 게시:

Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:

Way too many people check clickbait stuff. As said, nothing had changed.

It's becoming rather impossible to purchase a "physical" PC game that isn't tied to a launcher. So, not a solution.

ty for adding nothing to the conversation

Likewise. Best of luck, blocked, etc.

[Bloody Moon]

Paratech2008님이 먼저 게시:

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?
Valve's fine is just the beginning

Then why ignore the warning text in the store that they are as-is and may not be completed.

Every Early Access game has that warning.

Just don't buy them if you aren't willing to take the risk or wait until or if they are released.

Scam early access games are punishable by law regardless of the disclaimer of responsibility described in the store. It’s probably not the same in your country because people accept everything. Laws are not created by developers or Valve; an example is the fact that class actions are possible because the law allows it, and it’s certainly not Valve’s rules that dictate the law. This means that, up until now, there have been several violations in the SSA.
So blaming and shifting responsibility onto users who trust and pay in advance, because this platform allows it and earning 30% on every sale for Valve, has nothing to do with legality; something you seem to be apparently unfamiliar with.

[Kargor]

E.Z님이 먼저 게시:

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library

Didn't cause you much of a headache before. What changed your mind?

so I going to buy the games from a real store.

Good luck with that.

Most games on "physical media" (which are few enough, considering it's a very expensive way of distributing games) come with a key for Steam/Origin/UPlay, and have no game at all on their disk, a very outdated version, or not even a disk at all -- just a DVD-box with a key.

The few games that are actually "on disk" and don't need anything else tend to be the cheap shovelware games.

[Haruspex]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Haruspex님이 먼저 게시:

is there any indication in their 20+ year history in operation that they have ever removed anyone's games, and is there anything at all to suggest that they ever would? Your account is almost 20 years old, has Valve ever taken your games away? Why do you suddenly think they would start now?

I mean it has happened. Mighty Quest for Epic Loot,m and Loadout, are both gone from my library.

Both of those were free-to-play online games. Has a game you ever paid for on Steam ever been removed? (Excepting extremely rare instances, as you mentioned, were it was justified and you were automatically given a refund.)

Cray님이 먼저 게시:

Just the other day I noticed Poker Night at the Inventory was deleted from my library. Used to be there, now it's gone.

I'm sure you bought that from a "reputable" third party keyseller. Everyone else who got that back when they could still have it, and it's still playable.

Haruspex님이 먼저 게시:

and is there anything at all to suggest that they ever would?

Cray님이 먼저 게시:

well.. they put it in their ToS that they can. Counts as a suggestion.

The same TOS that's always been there that's always suggested your games are licensed. The same kind of wording that's even present on physical disks and cartridges going back to the 1980s.

Absolutely nothing has changed.

This is the equivalent of a burger shop you've all been patronizing for years putting up a tiny sign by the counter that says, "Our burgers are made from beef." Most everyone already knew this, and nobody is surprised, but one clickbait article titled, "Is Burger Den selling you chopped up dead animals!?" and some people begin to lose their minds.

[Chika Ogiue]

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

Scam early access games are punishable by law regardless of the disclaimer of responsibility described in the store.

Please name one Early Access game that was sold on Steam that has been subject to a law that required it be legally removed from sale because the developers were unable to further development.

[Tito Shivan]

Yasahi님이 먼저 게시:

Those "physical" games you're buying are nothing more than cases with a key inside in most cases. You'll still be downloading the game on Steam, Epic or one of the other launchers. They all have the same licensing model too.

So good luck with that plan of yours.

The right time for that plan was 20 years ago.

Cray님이 먼저 게시:

Just the other day I noticed Poker Night at the Inventory was deleted from my library. Used to be there, now it's gone. Support said sorry we can't explain why, but it's been removed and you can't have it back.

Both are still on mine. Steam gives you a big freaking warning when content has been removed from your library. It's hard to miss.

Did you buy the game through a key site? Wouldn't be the first time redeemed keys get revoked by the dev for some payment issue with the key site.

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?

I think that if a game being finished is so important to you, you should buy games only when they're finished.

[crunchyfrog]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Yasahi님이 먼저 게시:

Those "physical" games you're buying are nothing more than cases with a key inside in most cases. You'll still be downloading the game on Steam, Epic or one of the other launchers. They all have the same licensing model too.

So good luck with that plan of yours.

The right time for that plan was 20 years ago.

Cray님이 먼저 게시:

Just the other day I noticed Poker Night at the Inventory was deleted from my library. Used to be there, now it's gone. Support said sorry we can't explain why, but it's been removed and you can't have it back.

Both are still on mine. Steam gives you a big freaking warning when content has been removed from your library. It's hard to miss.

Did you buy the game through a key site? Wouldn't be the first time redeemed keys get revoked by the dev for some payment issue with the key site.

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

What do you think about the scams of several early access games that are abandoned without completing development and users are not refunded?

I think that if a game being finished is so important to you, you should buy games only when they're finished.

Yup can confirm Poker Night at the Inventory is still on my account too.

I would be prepared to bet either it's as you say - they've bought it somewhere dodgy and it got pulled. Or they've done the usual trick of hiding it (deliberately or by accident) and it's not appearing.

[crunchyfrog]

Bloody Moon님이 먼저 게시:

Paratech2008님이 먼저 게시:

Then why ignore the warning text in the store that they are as-is and may not be completed.

Every Early Access game has that warning.

Just don't buy them if you aren't willing to take the risk or wait until or if they are released.

Scam early access games are punishable by law regardless of the disclaimer of responsibility described in the store. It’s probably not the same in your country because people accept everything. Laws are not created by developers or Valve; an example is the fact that class actions are possible because the law allows it, and it’s certainly not Valve’s rules that dictate the law. This means that, up until now, there have been several violations in the SSA.
So blaming and shifting responsibility onto users who trust and pay in advance, because this platform allows it and earning 30% on every sale for Valve, has nothing to do with legality; something you seem to be apparently unfamiliar with.

This is much the same as those here who are just realising the pitfalls of digital distribution.

The thing with Early Access is to remember you are NOT buying a finished game. That big blue box front and centre on the game's page startes that clearly. You should only EVER buy the thing if you understand this. Or in my case, the only times I've ever bought into them (such as 7 Days to Die) is to watch them and buy when it recahes a point the game does enough for you AT THAT TIME. Then you're not gambling so much because if nothing future happens, you lose nothing.

Just like with digital distrbution I IMMEDIATELY realised back on the Xbox what the problems were. I knew that you are beholden to someone else holding the game and making it available and the best backup you have is what you have stored on your hard drive. If the service goes down or your hard drive, you're screwed.

So do you know what I did then and still hold to it?

Valued these games are lesser. So I gave them a value based on their reviews and this factor and only buy them when they reach a price I HAVE determined.
It's why of all my 1500 games on here were bought either in steep sales, or in charity bundles and such.

I don't know why people can't do basic logic any more.