Anti-hate speech laws vs the Flood of DEI Woke & SBI detected hate speech in every new games forum

[Obi WanX Konami]

Almost every new game is being spammed with flame bait troll threads with Woke DEI & SBI detected in the title. These threads always contain extreme sexism, racism, bigotry and hate speech. This gets reported but the sheer volume of it is hard to moderate.

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the gameplay. Now most of new steam game forums are a flood of pure hatred and vitriol created by a brigade of zealots who seem to hate women & minorities.

Reporting it isn't enough. I have seen threads using the F word for LGBT people and calling Jewish people vermin as well as using racist stereotypes for minorities spammed across the forums and the users avoiding a ban. Seen users post the same vile bigotry multiply times and avoid a ban.

These posts often stay up a day or two before finally being removed or locked. Something more needs to be done to tackle this if the steam platform is to align with EU anti-hate speech laws.

The steam forums would be 100% better for EVERYONE be they women or minorities if any mention of DEI Woke or SBI resulted in the post being hidden or auto-moderated.

[Zefar]

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

Kiddo, SBI is doing what Rockstar did back in the day. Stirring up controversy. They know that their real level of power is nonexistent, but if people believe they have power, if people give them infamy, then they will get more clients.

You haven't read up on the subject have you?

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

I am old enough to have seen this tactic many times before. And you and the rest of DEID have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Just like y'all did back in Gamergate. And do you know what's going to be the end result? The people you're trying to fight against are going to win. Because y'all give them more renown.

DEI is Diversity Equity and Inclusion. This is what SBI are preaching and not something we have come up with. This is theirs side acronym that they made. Gamers are just using it because it's more well known to people.

GamerGate won back in the day because we got gaming review sites to update their policies. They had to state if they where being paid by game companies or not. When that change was done, the movement was over and people went on with their lives. It was about Ethics in gaming journalism.
Mainstream Media though couldn't handle it and tried to revive Gamergate repeatedly over the years after it. With no success I might add. Even GamerGate2 didn't catch on.

Also after GamerGate majority of the gaming news sites started to do a lot worse. Some larger ones have been shut down.

I don't see how SBI are winning when a lot of those titles are bombing on the market. Companies are losing a few hundred millions on some of their titles.

[Amaterasu]

You're barking up the wrong tree, Zefar. I've seen this exact sequence of events play out in the video game industry time and time again. You think you're on the side of justice, that you'll fight the good fight and win. But in reality, all you're doing is playing into the hands of the people you consider your enemy.

I've been gaming since before the ESRB was even the flicker of a thought in anyone's head. It has never worked out in the favor of the people trying to fight against it. People wanted games like DOOM and Mortal Kombat just outright banned. That didn't happen. People wanted Grand Theft Auto banned, that didn't happen. In fact, it didn't happen so hard and so often that the person leading the charge was disbarred. That means he cannot practice law.

I watched this same song and dance during Gamergate and guess what, the people screaming about Gamergate lost. Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkessian became widely known and people kept going to them because they were well known. Keep in mind that I don't like either of them. Never did, never will. But I don't dislike them because some nebulous person on the internet told me to dislike them, I dislike them because of how they act as people.

And while I don't like the director of SBI, I also know how much power he'd really have if people would stop falling into the very same trap that they fell into 10 years ago. The very same traps that keep making their opposition much more powerful. You and everyone in DEID and other woke content detectors keep giving them ammo, keep giving them fuel. Keep giving them renown and power.

Do you know what would really happen if none of this stink were to have been raised? It would've passed. Would've been a brief moment in gaming history and no one would care. SBI would be broke. But then again, it would had to have not started with films and TV... which made those people more powerful.

What I'm saying is... they're using y'all to make them more renowned, to make them more infamous and famous, because there is no such thing as bad publicity in the corporate world.

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por iwnbiwnb:

But i should remind you that this whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ started when gaming devs and journalists decided to antagonize gamers, way back in 2014, this whole mess that we have today could have been avoided if some people didn't have such a massive ego. We wouldn't have anti-woke youtubers if it weren't for that.

You lack a lot of historic context if you think all of this started 2014.

[Animus]

For all the chest thumping anti-DEI/Woke individuals do, they don't represent a majority of gamers. In fact the largest anti-DEI group on the platform's entire memberlist is less than 1% than that of the active online daily accounts on the platform.


However, it's up to Devs to remain vigilant and just show the award baiters/spammers the door.

[Zefar]

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

Do you know what would really happen if none of this stink were to have been raised? It would've passed. Would've been a brief moment in gaming history and no one would care. SBI would be broke. But then again, it would had to have not started with films and TV... which made those people more powerful.

Yeah, they would just keep growing. They where able to talk to a lot of companies before they got known by gamers and by then the damage was done to those games that they affected.

This "Ignore it and it'll go away" is something that doesn't work anymore. SBI would love for all gamers too completely ignore them because then they could keep talking to companies, keep getting put on the teams and change the games the way they want. It's literally what they want.

Not all PR is good PR.

Publicado originalmente por Animus:

For all the chest thumping anti-DEI/Woke individuals do, they don't represent a majority of gamers. In fact the largest anti-DEI group on the platform's entire memberlist is less than 1% than that of the active online daily accounts on the platform.


However, it's up to Devs to remain vigilant and just show the award baiters/spammers the door.

Hey you should try and find the Modern Audience. It's far far smaller.
There is also this where it's always a small crowd that actually engage in forums, comment sections or on groups. You can see this on Youtube with videos where they have several millions views but only a few thousand posts.
It's the same everywhere else.

But the actual support? That could be way larger by a crowd that doesn't say anything.

[Espejismo]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

But the actual support? That could be way larger by a crowd that doesn't say anything.

source: my feefees tell me i'm right

[Animus]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Publicado originalmente por Animus:

For all the chest thumping anti-DEI/Woke individuals do, they don't represent a majority of gamers. In fact the largest anti-DEI group on the platform's entire memberlist is less than 1% than that of the active online daily accounts on the platform.


However, it's up to Devs to remain vigilant and just show the award baiters/spammers the door.

Hey you should try and find the Modern Audience. It's far far smaller.
There is also this where it's always a small crowd that actually engage in forums, comment sections or on groups. You can see this on Youtube with videos where they have several millions views but only a few thousand posts.
It's the same everywhere else.

But the actual support? That could be way larger by a crowd that doesn't say anything.

Oh no, I don't take any of that nonsense seriously because like a dozen games labeled "woke" sold well and they always backpedal with some sad sorry excuse of "Oh, no, well actually we bought the game to trigger woke people!"

You can go ahead and pay people to keep you in a perpetual state of outrage, personally, I'd rather not.

[Espejismo]

btw zefar you have 4 thousand hours in a very woke game (warframe) i'm surprised you haven't uninstalled it considering the game has pride items every year + increasing amount of LGBT characters in it

also warframe is consistently one of the top most played f2p games on steam alongside apex legends which also has tons of LGBT representation and other "woke" things so...maybe most people actually don't care?

[Crazy Tiger]

I always like those "these games are woke" lists, they're good for filling up the wishlist since the "woke" claims are bogus to begin with.

[Heretic]

We have those who claim that 99.9% of the world either supports it or don't care about it and those who believe it doesn't even exist.

I don't usually quote Business Insider, but the fact that Microsoft sacked a load of DEI suggests that it does exist and that the fight back is having a profound effect.

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-layoffs-dei-leader-email-2024-7?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=business-sf

[ShelLuser]

In the end it all boils down to one thing: fanatics. Those are the kind of arrogant people you can do without, people who are so convinced of themselves that they don't even want to amuse the idea of hearing out what other people have to say and to weigh their ideas with those of their own.

People who can only think of numbers making strength vs. quality over quantity.

And you see these kinds of people everywhere, not just with political nonsense but also gaming aspects themselves.

I mean... if dozens of YouTube guides show you that you can use method 'A' to complete a task in a game then surely some random dude (or dudette) who suddenly says that 'A' is actually kinda inefficient and 'B' is just as good, arguably even more.... well, obviously these people don't know what they're talking about, eh? Because "everyone" does it like "A".

Some people (Tubers of course) might even use the "controversy" (if there is one) to ridicule the whole idea of B, for the sole reason that many people recognize 'A' and a bit of ridicule is bound to attract more attention to themselves. More attention = more likes & views = more ad views = more money.

More money for them of course, and here people are thinking that the Tubers are "fighting" the "right cause". Which is more than often (not always!) totally ridiculous.

People who look down and/or talk down to others for whatever reason... those are the real cause of problems.

Meanwhile... I'd rather ignore all of that garbage and instead focus on things that truly matter... Like how to increase my power production in my SatisFactory. Got myself a good source of iron, copper, limestone, coal, oil, bauxite and now I can even make myself plastics, fuel and aluminum.

Do I dare to take the next step and look into utilizing uranium? ;)

[Horrormaven]

Nice to see a compassionate empathetic human being on steam.

Can’t even begin to describe just how RARE that actually is.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Publicado originalmente por Webmaster:

Get woke politics out of games and there's no drama, simples.

Which part of this is difficult?

You shove your politics, or anything else, into people's face and they will complain about it. It's called free speech.

Unlike the act of making games which apparently isn't free speech?

[Stevanator]

maybe, JUUUUUUUUUUUUST maybe, people are sick and tired of video games being ruined by this nonsense, why does the way people have sex have to be pushed so hard into video games

[Paratech2008]

Publicado originalmente por Doctor Zalgo:

Publicado originalmente por Webmaster:

Get woke politics out of games and there's no drama, simples.

Which part of this is difficult?

You shove your politics, or anything else, into people's face and they will complain about it. It's called free speech.

Unlike the act of making games which apparently isn't free speech?

Free speech yes but nobody has to buy those games.

Customers can spend their money on what they want to buy.